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    Bar20 Melbourne is franchising. They are looking for franchisees to open Bar20 clubs in regional areas and other states. Not sure what they are charging but could be a lucrative opportunity.

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    So is Players Showgirls --

    http://www.playersshowgirls.com/_new3/franchise.htm
    http://www.franchisebusiness.com.au/.../Players-Clubs

    Besides, tell me something new. Bar20 has been wanting to expand for years now. Originally they were planning to expand to the Gold Coast and I'm so damn glad that they did not as it is already too competative here.

    Gold Coast isn't big enough to support the strip clubs it has right now let alone anymore without someone going belly up/bust.


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    John Gray told me there were 3 Spearmints in Australia now, I only know the one in Melbourne. Does anybody know about others.

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    Ssssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    i know for certain the gold coast is getting one ... it's been in the works for aaaaaaaaaaaaages plus there was meant to be another one in Brisbane yet I hope not as, like the gold coast, there isn't enough room for another one!!!


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    brisbane rhino will be opened before gold coast rhino and it will be where indie temple next to elephant and wheel barrow in the valley is! Dodgy spot as it is under ground, but APPARENTLY they are digging out the ground to get more height in the roof! They are also TRYING to get council to change the laws regarding touching, but no doubt they will fail as they are in competition with all the other clubs that will have their head if they try!
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    Oh my.... they are so NOT going to be able to change those laws about the touching. Hey, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would love to work in a no touching environment locally...... I would work more nights and it wouldn't do my head in so much (as I do it sober). Just that the 'touching' thing is hard to over-rule as it has been around for what seems forever and ..well.. south east queensland is the only place in australia where it is allowed in all the clubs.

    Kittens in Melbourne (plus a few other "strip clubs" - more like brothels) are exceptions.

    As for its location in Brisbane. I agree. Now that I am driving up there every Friday and have gotten lost on more than one occasion coming home (lol) I know where you are speaking about and whilst "the valley" (Fortitude Valley) is okay now-days as it seems to have most of the night-life in Brisbane... I still wouldn't recommend THAT spot.

    Ah well. We'll just have to see how all this pans out with all these clubs expanding and now franshising themselves.

    Australia is just not big enough to have clubs franchise themselves like America.

    Esp. in places like Cairns and Townsville where supporting even on club is hard (at times).


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    I'd like it if they opened a Bar 20 away from the CBD. I'd definitely apply if it was anywhere near my place.

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    rumour has it that a spearmint rhino might also be opening up in adelaide.... the last thing we need is another strip club in our already over crowded little city...

    there's also a lot of gossip flying around that a certain owner of a certain club here is pushing for the 'touching' rule to be brought into SA (which we're all assuming is because he already turns a blind eye to girls allowing customers to touch them as long as they're making money, and if this law passes he will be able to continue running his club as he already is, but won't have to worry about getting his ass busted for it). if that happens, my strip clubbing days will be over

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    I heard also Rhino will be opening in Adelaide as well!

    So far their opening one in Brisbane, Gold Coast, already one in Melbourne and another planned for adelaide!

    TBH it is becoming to over saturated in the market for strip clubs to be branching out! But Ii guess if they push the smaller clubs to close then it will be ok.... Well sorta!

    Then again, some of the smaller clubs are where the $$ is to be made!

    Why isn't Rhino and Bar20 focusing on Sydney + Canberra + Perth, where the strip clubs simply SUCK BALLS??

    The market is so open for a professional club to open in sydney and run the thing properly from what I have heard/read, so why not do that instead of opening them in already over-saturated markets??

    HAHA! Laugh if they read this... next minute clubs pop up in sydney, canberra and perth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy Foxx View Post
    rumour has it that a spearmint rhino might also be opening up in adelaide.... the last thing we need is another strip club in our already over crowded little city...

    there's also a lot of gossip flying around that a certain owner of a certain club here is pushing for the 'touching' rule to be brought into SA (which we're all assuming is because he already turns a blind eye to girls allowing customers to touch them as long as they're making money, and if this law passes he will be able to continue running his club as he already is, but won't have to worry about getting his ass busted for it). if that happens, my strip clubbing days will be over
    Not necessarily. Victoria allows for non-genital touching (ie anywhere above the waist), but most clubs here are strictly no-touching.

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    Yeah, but there's two main clubs in Adelaide, I work at one, our big rival club is the one pushing for the touching rule to be brought in. If the law passes and our rival club starts legally allowing touching then my club will definitely do the same.

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    No way! I know which other club you are speaking about and I can't believe they are wanting that!!!! Enough crap goes down there in the shared private lap dance area let alone the VIP. I had a horrific experience (guy pulled his penis out whilst I had my back turned) in the VIP dance I was doing and was throwing $50 notes at me (I was shocked and horrified that I didn't take them and run just got dressed in 3 seconds and ran) to allow him to play with it whilst I danced. Ewww!

    Then there were the girls rubbing their heads against the guy's crotchs etc in the SHARED private lap dance area at that club.

    Now that are pushing for touching to be allowed. WTF?!?

    So .. to a certain extent.. it is kinda funny in a way that Rhino is purshing for no touching in an area where touching has been allowed for what seems forever and another club is going the complete opposite.. pushing for touching in an area where there hasn't been touching for forever... *sigh*


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    yeah, well, it's all rumour at the moment but it's hot gossip around the club. nothing official yet, but who knows what's gonna happen.....

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    what kind of license would they need to allow touching??
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    There'd need to be a state law passed allowing it. Currently under adult entertainment laws, if a stripper lets a guy touch them it counts as prostitution. I think they're trying to get the law changed to allow guided touching anywhere but the genitals under the adult entertainment rules.

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    there would have to be a huge overhaul of the legislation.
    no gential contact of any kind is actually allowed under current legislation (at least in victoria). This included sitting on patrons laps (i know u all think i'm lying but i promise i've read it!) as it deemed to be 'contact'. I'm fairly certain that the contact laws extend to 'erotic zones' (or something termed similar) which include breasts etc. I know for certain that the legisation specifically excludes 'massage' and deems this contact. Not to mention any form of penetration (dildo shows are, technically, illegal in victoria) which includes a dancer touching their own gential area is illegal and deemed 'prostitution'. At least in victoria, sex industry legislation is tied up with liquor liscencing-so if you breach the act, your liquor liscence is revoked - this is pretty much why clubs enforce the rule. Remember that brothels can't serve alcohol-if you want a 'touching' club in vic, u could probably technically open one, u just can't serve grog and we can all imagine how fabulously well that would go.


    Kittens, i'm fairly certain, operates outside the act BUT isn't policed (in much the same way that it's actually illegal to sell Xrated porn outside NT and ACT (R-rated porn is allowed nationally which (doesn't show direct penetration, Xrated does) but every sex shop in the country does.

    I have a funny feeling that kittens is also exclusionary based on the zoning-again from memory, so i could very well be wrong, but lap dances venues are contained within a certain cbd perimeter under the victorian act. Kittens may be operating through a loophole which, as their clubs are outside cbd perimeters, are not technically covered by the bounds of the legislation, but this is only a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtina20 View Post
    there would have to be a huge overhaul of the legislation.
    no gential contact of any kind is actually allowed under current legislation (at least in victoria). This included sitting on patrons laps (i know u all think i'm lying but i promise i've read it!) as it deemed to be 'contact'. I'm fairly certain that the contact laws extend to 'erotic zones' (or something termed similar) which include breasts etc. I know for certain that the legisation specifically excludes 'massage' and deems this contact. Not to mention any form of penetration (dildo shows are, technically, illegal in victoria) which includes a dancer touching their own gential area is illegal and deemed 'prostitution'. At least in victoria, sex industry legislation is tied up with liquor liscencing-so if you breach the act, your liquor liscence is revoked - this is pretty much why clubs enforce the rule. Remember that brothels can't serve alcohol-if you want a 'touching' club in vic, u could probably technically open one, u just can't serve grog and we can all imagine how fabulously well that would go.


    Kittens, i'm fairly certain, operates outside the act BUT isn't policed (in much the same way that it's actually illegal to sell Xrated porn outside NT and ACT (R-rated porn is allowed nationally which (doesn't show direct penetration, Xrated does) but every sex shop in the country does.

    I have a funny feeling that kittens is also exclusionary based on the zoning-again from memory, so i could very well be wrong, but lap dances venues are contained within a certain cbd perimeter under the victorian act. Kittens may be operating through a loophole which, as their clubs are outside cbd perimeters, are not technically covered by the bounds of the legislation, but this is only a guess.

    Kittens is a touching club that serves alcohol. There's no genital contact permitted, obviously. If they were to be classified as a brothel, they would need a brothel license, the girls would need to get monthly health checks and they would absolutely not be allowed to serve alcohol. Kittens operates within the legislation. If it does not, it would almost certainly allow things like genital contact, masturbation and soliciting from the club, which, as an ex-Kittens dancer, I can attest that it absolutely does not. It is actually extremely careful as to the perimeters of what is and isn't allowed under the legislation. And, as far as I know, breast contact is legal as the breasts are not considered a genital area.

    What is the name of the Act in question, by the way? I'm aware of some of its provisions but not the name of the Act, and I'd like to be able to look at certain provisions in more detail.

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    kittens gets out of the no touching rule by the following ways:

    Law states no touching of genitals

    kittens argue breasts are not genitals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild View Post
    kittens gets out of the no touching rule by the following ways:

    Law states no touching of genitals

    kittens argue breasts are not genitals!
    Well, as far as I know, the Act in question actually defines genitalia as being both the front and the back, so to speak. It says nothing about breasts (or so I was told).

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    Acts are;

    Prostitution Control Act (1994)
    Summary offences Act
    Prostitution Control Regulations (1995)

    The victorian law is ambigous on touching. This is in the defininitions section [section 3] of the Prostitution control act, defining a "sexual service":

    (c) permitting one or more other persons to view any of the following
    occurring in their presence-....[blah blah blah...]
    (iv) there is any form of direct physical contact between any person
    viewing the occurrence and any person taking part in the occurrence;

    i still stand by that technically, contact with breasts is illegal in vic based on above.
    However, i think proving "direct physical contact" is the obvious loop hole here.

    dunno, my interpretation i guess. But i do remember my lecturer talking about how "massage services" are illegal contact in strip clubs because it breaches legislation and that seems to fit with that particular interpretation of 3.c.iv. above.

    here's the link to the act for anyone who wants to check it out:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...ct/pca1994295/

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    I also know some ex kittens dancers and friends have also gone in there as customers and they have directly witnessed girls fingering themselves during private dances.

    I understand that breasts are not genitals but kittens allows the licking/sucking of breasts and I just fail to see how this is not crossing the line into prostitution (this is not meant to offend anyone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I also know some ex kittens dancers and friends have also gone in there as customers and they have directly witnessed girls fingering themselves during private dances.

    I understand that breasts are not genitals but kittens allows the licking/sucking of breasts and I just fail to see how this is not crossing the line into prostitution (this is not meant to offend anyone).
    Well, the Act in question defines prostitution as any kind of genital contact. Breasts, not being defined as genitalia, are fair game.

    It's not prostitution but I'll agree with you that it's icky.


    EDIT- Girls fingering themselves during private dances would certainly be breaking the law, though they're certainly not the only ones to do it. Club X breaks the law prohibiting masturbation without a brothel license on a routine basis. In fact, they stopped giving me shifts based on the fact that I was just doing strip shows rather than masturbating myself in the peeps, as per their protocol. Club Striptease also breaches the Act by allowing customers to masturbate while receiving a private dance.
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    ^^^
    Im going to read the Act. I can't believe you cant even give a guy a shoulder massage in the club, is that right? I have to do some research as I like to know that Im not breaking any laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtina20 View Post
    Acts are;

    Prostitution Control Act (1994)
    Summary offences Act
    Prostitution Control Regulations (1995)

    The victorian law is ambigous on touching. This is in the defininitions section [section 3] of the Prostitution control act, defining a "sexual service":

    (c) permitting one or more other persons to view any of the following
    occurring in their presence-....[blah blah blah...]
    (iv) there is any form of direct physical contact between any person
    viewing the occurrence and any person taking part in the occurrence;

    i still stand by that technically, contact with breasts is illegal in vic based on above.
    However, i think proving "direct physical contact" is the obvious loop hole here.

    dunno, my interpretation i guess. But i do remember my lecturer talking about how "massage services" are illegal contact in strip clubs because it breaches legislation and that seems to fit with that particular interpretation of 3.c.iv. above.

    here's the link to the act for anyone who wants to check it out:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...ct/pca1994295/
    iii) a person masturbating himself or herself or two or more persons
    masturbating themselves or each other or one or more of them- in
    circumstances in which-

    (iv) there is any form of direct physical contact between any person
    viewing the occurrence and any person taking part in the occurrence;
    or

    (v) any person viewing the occurrence is permitted or encouraged to
    masturbate himself or herself while viewing- and, for the purposes of
    this definition, a person may be regarded as being masturbated whether
    or not the genital part of his or her body is clothed or the
    masturbation results in orgasm;



    Section iv does not refer to direct physical contact per se. If you read it in context with the preceding sections, you can see that it refers to direct physical contact during an act of masturbation. Any act of masturbation is included in the Act's definition of sexual services, which makes dildo shows and peep shows that include masturbation illegal in this state without a brothel license.

    Perhaps by 'massage services' your lecturer meant 'erotic massage' (ie including a 'happy ending'), which would certainly be illegal without a brothel license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    ^^^
    Im going to read the Act. I can't believe you cant even give a guy a shoulder massage in the club, is that right? I have to do some research as I like to know that Im not breaking any laws.
    Here are the relevant provisions:

    Prostitution Control Act 1994 - SECT 3

    Definitions

    "prostitution" means the provision by one person to or for another person
    (whether or not of a different sex) of sexual services in return for payment
    or reward;

    "sexual services" includes-

    (a) taking part with another person in an act of sexual penetration; and

    (b) masturbating another person; and

    (c) permitting one or more other persons to view any of the following
    occurring in their presence-

    (i) two or more persons taking part in an act of sexual penetration;

    (ii) a person introducing (to any extent) an object or a part of their body
    into their own vagina or anus;

    (iii) a person masturbating himself or herself or two or more persons
    masturbating themselves or each other or one or more of them- in
    circumstances in which-

    (iv) there is any form of direct physical contact between any person
    viewing the occurrence and any person taking part in the occurrence;
    or

    (v) any person viewing the occurrence is permitted or encouraged to
    masturbate himself or herself while viewing- and, for the purposes of
    this definition, a person may be regarded as being masturbated whether
    or not the genital part of his or her body is clothed or the
    masturbation results in orgasm;


    I imagine that genital contact falls under the 'masturbating another person' provision.

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