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    http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com

    i do love this website and i think it has amazing intentions

    however, i think the dove people are neglecting the fact that - although there are just as many women who are born curvy and beautiful - there are tiny skinny girls who are beautiful too. not sick and gross, but petite and healthy looking.

    i'm 5'3, 34 B, and have never been over 108 pounds in my life, but i think i'm pretty. i've always been skinny my whole life, especially before i hit puberty and got some curves. i'm not sick looking or disgusting.

    the way big chicks may have felt in the past, i feel now. i almost feel like i'm being persecuted and judged for being skinny - just the way i've always been. small girls seem to have been the victims as of late.

    just like the big girls, i love my natural body the way it is, and i cannot stand it how my size is now something to be hated and critisised.

    does anyone else feel this way, or have any thoughts to share?

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    yes i totatly here you everyone is now afraid to say skinny is beautiful becuse its not fair to the fat girls. I am going to brutal here for min so don't flame me. I am SICK to death of everyone expecting the entertainment industry to lower there standards becuse it makes people upset. In my true opione you should have to do the work it takes to be the look they want or just accecpt the fact you can't get in and work on yourself. It seems noone wants to work hard for anything they just want the world to come to there level. Sorry to rant but that is how i feel.

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    Default Re: dove, campaign for real beauty

    Beauty comes in a variety of packages.

    You could contact Dove and express your concern about smaller than average women not being represented. Who knows, maybe they will add that body type to their campaign.

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    I totally agree with you! I have had issues with this in the past too. I have been the same height, size, weight since 1982. I dont work at it, I dont have an eating disorder, I like who I am and am comfortable with how I look.
    Definatly it seems like people do forget that "real women" do come in slim too.

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    That campaign annoys me, and I'm one of the bigger 'curvy' women it's aimed at. I think it's good that they're trying to make bigger women feel better about their natural bodies, but I don't think it's acceptable to do it in a manner that makes naturally slim people feel crap about theirs. If they're targeting "real" beauty, they should show women of all shapes and sizes in their ads.

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    eh. be careful not to miss the point of these ads, cheesy as they are. They are Not anti-thin, or pro "fat". In fact, to me, they seem celebratory, kind of going out of their way to acknowledge different body types. As in - be happy with what you have - quite simple, nothing more or less. I've always been tall/thin/underweight and i think we all know we don't have to worry about being ostracized against any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatGrrl View Post
    eh. be careful not to miss the point of these ads, cheesy as they are. They are Not anti-thin, or pro "fat". In fact, to me, they seem celebratory, kind of going out of their way to acknowledge different body types. As in - be happy with what you have - quite simple, nothing more or less.
    I think it's the way they seem to advertise that REAL women are bigger, thus making it seem like slim girls are not "real".

    I just don't like the term "real woman". I was genetically cursed with big hips and a body that loves to fight my attempts at weight loss, so according to Dove I am a "real" woman. But if I absolutely busted my ass in the gym and lost weight and got really thin, does that mean I'm no longer real? Argh.

    I think it's great that they're promoting the idea that you should be happy with what you have, and I think it's good that they're trying to show that you don't have to be super slim to be attractive. I guess even though they might be somewhat discriminating against slim women, I think there's a hell of a lot more larger women doing harmful things to their body to try to fit the 'slim' ideal, than there are slim women hurting themselves to become bigger, so I can understand why they're wanting to promote that. I just don't think they've chosen the right wording for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatGrrl View Post
    eh. be careful not to miss the point of these ads, cheesy as they are. They are Not anti-thin, or pro "fat". In fact, to me, they seem celebratory, kind of going out of their way to acknowledge different body types. As in - be happy with what you have - quite simple, nothing more or less. I've always been tall/thin/underweight and i think we all know we don't have to worry about being ostracized against any time soon.
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    I think the reason they stated that was because with the modeling industry and such, there is such a drive to be rail thin. Now while some of us are naturally like that (myself being one), you have an onslaught of ppl literally dying to be thin. There is not much appreciation of thicker women although you have some. But generally, the industry wants you to be thin. I think they are just trying to rebalance the scales of beauty, seeing they are usually tipped one way. i felt the same way when comedianne Monique had the saying "skinny women are evil". Its like "damn, what did I do? I didnt force those klondike bars down your throat! I think they're just trying to help women appreciate their natural beauty thats all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-10 View Post
    Beauty comes in a variety of packages.

    You could contact Dove and express your concern about smaller than average women not being represented. Who knows, maybe they will add that body type to their campaign.
    I actaully did this about a week ago or so.

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    be glad if you're not featured as a real woman. apparently real women aren't sexy. I'm glad I'm not as curvy as the women in the ads or else I would be pissed. They make them so organic, walking around in tighty whities, it's like a blatant admission that they're not sexually appealing, so instead of wearing nice sexy but classy lingerie or dress with heels and make up (which to me would be "loving the skin you're in") they just have to accept, not celebrate but accept. If I walk around "accepting" myself in big granny panties just put me in a psych ward.

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    I think they mean well, but personally I don't enjoy seeing flaws. I'd rather not think about my own flabby thighs and encroaching crow's feet, and I'd certainly rather not see someone else's.

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    I am really over the skinny bashing too.
    The whole "real women". Like WTF I'm not real coz I am toned and fit? That's complete bullshit.

    I have always had to put up with rude bitches saying "do you eat?". When I was younger I used to just laugh and act all shy. Now I'll turn around and say "do you ever stop eating?" - sorry but it really shits me.

    I have to admit that Im with you a bit Flickad. I know it's not right and maybe it's the result of being exposed to years of airbrushed and photoshopped pics but it's almost an assault on the eyes to see some of those pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSweetVixen View Post
    be glad if you're not featured as a real woman. apparently real women aren't sexy. I'm glad I'm not as curvy as the women in the ads or else I would be pissed. They make them so organic, walking around in tighty whities, it's like a blatant admission that they're not sexually appealing, so instead of wearing nice sexy but classy lingerie or dress with heels and make up (which to me would be "loving the skin you're in") they just have to accept, not celebrate but accept. If I walk around "accepting" myself in big granny panties just put me in a psych ward.
    hahaha yeah!

    grandma undies are not hot, no matter what size you are. "real beauty" is much better displayed other ways.

    i guess they correlated "real women" with "real underwear" because i know ALLL of us are guilty of at least that much

    i'm glad posted something that got at least a few people thinking!

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    yea, just go back to my "i guess i'm not a real woman" thread


    it's just assumed that if your thin, your anorexic/bulimic

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    Every other bit of media glorifies thin and perfect, Dove is just saying that you don't have to be a rail to be acceptable and sexy. It's not a slight against any of you. It's a campaign for "real beauty," as in realistic beauty.

    It's not realistic to expect to look like Giselle, not even for us "perfect" strippers. The Dove campaign is saying that you can have a few extra pounds, a zit, frizzy hair, imperfections, etc., and still be beautiful. In many of their ads they show very thin women, so I don't get where you think they are just showing a bunch of fatasses. In fact, even the larger women in their ads are still in better shape than the majority of the American public.
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    Excellent example:
    http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/

    All of those women are beautiful in their own way. None of them are giants, none are wearing "granny panties."

    And this one:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...00614466797113

    This is what the campaign is about. You can't tell me you weren't one of those little girls who had a worry like that. If Dove's campaign can do something to make girls feel better about themselves, maybe, just maybe, the next generation will do more than idolize Paris Hilton and drunkenly participate in Girls Gone Wild. This is what I want my daughter and step-daughters to learn, that they are incredible no matter what they think their faults are.

    I will admit, the one with the six women in white bras and undies is less than flattering and I don't care for the "Real women have curves" attitude. But overall, I haven't noticed that as a motif in the Dove campaign.
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    I've been on both sides of this issue. I've been rail thin and now I'm curvy. I think real beauty is how you feel best about yourself. I hated being skinny and I am so much more comfortable with my size now.
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    I agree. I've always been tall/thin (you can usually see my hipbones) and it sometimes seems that if I'm not curvy or bigger, I don't qualify for the natural beauty part. Women come in all shapes and sizes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatGrrl View Post
    They are Not anti-thin, or pro "fat".
    considering their newest campaign is "pro-age" as in, pro-being older and "still beautiful" (as their message), i think it is fair to assume, although not titled, the previous campaign IS "pro-fat". as in, it's okay to be bigger and still be beautiful. but if we attatch the pro-ideal (again, although not titled or labeled as such) there is always the anti-ideal opposing it, and in this case that is "anti skinny".

    i'm not to imply this was a deliberate attempt at dissing skinny girls, but i think it's a fair sign of the shifting of curvy vs thin bias stereotype our society has taken on as of late. as more and more women go to unhealthy extremes to compete with skinny archetypes, the model of the "skinny image" is now the scapegoat for this trend.

    these ads imply curvy women are real, because to look perfect is rare, hard and to some, dangerous. if curvy=real then thin=not real. it's a good thing curvy women are learning to love themselves but a lot of anger and blame is put onto the skinny girls for their "bad example" to the frail minds of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchester View Post
    these ads imply curvy women are real, because to look perfect is rare, hard and to some, dangerous. if curvy=real then thin=not real. it's a good thing curvy women are learning to love themselves but a lot of anger and blame is put onto the skinny girls for their "bad example" to the frail minds of others.
    Some of the ads have the "real women have curves" theme, most do not.

    I hear anger and blame placed on the media, but I don't hear it about regular thin people. Seriously, you guys act like the ad campaign is offensive, when it is really just about making women feel better about themselves.

    I've been of normal/thin size my entire life and I haven't ever had anyone imply that I'm a bad role model or that I'm negatively influencing anyone because I'm in shape. If anything, I've been told that I'm an inspiration for people who do want to get into shape. As a fitness instructor, I've taught plenty of overweight students and none of them acted at all resentful that I am thin and they are overweight. They are all consciously trying to do something about it.

    And what is wrong with being pro-age? All day long we see ads aimed at anti-aging, when aging is a fact of life----if you are lucky. You also need to bear in mind that the baby boomer generation is now getting into middle and old age. These particular ads are aimed at them because they spend the most money on this type of stuff.

    I don't know why it bothers me so much when people get so upset about these ads. I guess it's because I really like them and feel like they actually do something positive instead of perpetuating all of the negative attitudes about women and their flaws. No one is perfect, not any of us, and not even the supermodels, models, actresses, etc. That's all that Dove is trying to say.
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    I agree with you Andy. No one is hating on us thin girls. No one is saying we aren't hot anymore. People need to get over it and realize that bigger girls and older ladies need some props in our society too! You get validation as a skinny girl all the time through the media and in real life. Let our curvier sisters/hotties have some camera time too!

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    The ads don't bother me because I understand that they're trying not to make any "group" feel isolated. I've never thought of the "real beauty" line as being a derogatory comment against anyone outside of whatever body type they're trying to advertise to. I do, however, get very annoyed at the comments that some women make that imply that skinny girls aren't real because they're not fat like them. Dove is only trying to sell their products, and it must be working...look at all the publicity their ads are getting

    And thanks a lot Andygirl, that video with the little girls made me cry, so now my makeup is ruined and my eyes are all red

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