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    Hi my name is FBR and I am a dickless coward. Im afraid of losing 90% of my net worth and trailer parks scare me.
    Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.

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    other owner is right on track, there are out lots of man with lots of green who would like to marry a hot, I mean a hot girl like a dancer....as I tried with a dancer!!!!

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    ^ Sorry, you don't count. I've never seen you say you say a single negative word about Mrs. FBR. You do not appear to be trapped in a soul-sucking hell and desperately justifying it by fear of losing half your net worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    OK, I know it's a sugardaddy thread, but here's a thought:

    Why not find a rich boyfriend?

    Then you want to text message him all day. And on top of that -- you want to rush home to jump his bones at night. You love his smell and his eyes, you want to wear his shirt around the house all day, you can't stop looking at him and you pout when he's not around.

    He also pays all your bills, buys you outrageous gifts, wires cash into your bank account whenever you really need it, buys whatever you may want, is amazing in bed and even gives great phone sex.

    I mean, come on. It's not that rare. You are amazingly hott, remember?
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    TOO, you should start a matchmaking service for strippers. :-)
    Or at least a thread of advice on how to find one!

    TOO, You need to be added to the your rock post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    OK, I know it's a sugardaddy thread, but here's a thought:

    Why not find a rich boyfriend?

    Then you want to text message him all day. And on top of that -- you want to rush home to jump his bones at night. You love his smell and his eyes, you want to wear his shirt around the house all day, you can't stop looking at him and you pout when he's not around.

    He also pays all your bills, buys you outrageous gifts, wires cash into your bank account whenever you really need it, buys whatever you may want, is amazing in bed and even gives great phone sex.

    I mean, come on. It's not that rare. You are amazingly hott, remember?
    That's what I was thinking. If sex is involved, why not have sex with someone you find attractive? Why not have sex with someone who is unattached? Why not have sex with someone who will spoil you rotten and not expect anything but genuine affection in return?

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    That's what I was thinking. If sex is involved, why not have sex with someone you find attractive? Why not have sex with someone who is unattached? Why not have sex with someone who will spoil you rotten and not expect anything but genuine affection in return?
    And in a perfect world, these guys will actually have a job

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    ^ Sorry, you don't count. I've never seen you say you say a single negative word about Mrs. FBR. You do not appear to be trapped in a soul-sucking hell and desperately justifying it by fear of losing half your net worth.
    TOO, a poor attempt at humor on my part. Truth be known, I dont deserve her.

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    And in a perfect world, these guys will actually have a job FBR
    Well, in the real world, many of them own their own companies.

    True story: Nicolina and I are in Santa Monica after lunch and she's sporting some new stripper shoes we just bought and a skirt I can't even begin to describe. I have to go get the Jag out of the garage, and I know how really stupid it is to leave her alone on the street for even 5 minutes wearing those shoes and skirt. So I say, "look, I'm going to get the car, and by the time I get back, I expect at least one guy all over you. Please don't make me kill him."

    So sure enough, 4 minutes, 30 seconds later, I pull around and there is this guy in her face. She hops in the car and looks at me and says, "He introduced himself as an unemployed millionaire. How can you resist that?"

    "Well, as an employed millionaire, for starters."

    Anyway, you would be amazed at how many rich, good-looking guys keep having to endure "safe" girls who bore the hell out of them. They need to upgrade to the girls who are both hott and smart.

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    You know, I've thought about the ins and out of having a sugardyke a lot, I mean, might as well think about it since it's not going to happen. There's a severe shortage of stinking-rich lesbians out there, sadly. I think I'd be more comfortable with getting spoiled by someone with whom I had an acknowledged sugar/sugaree relationship with the boundaries and everything all set out. I think I'd feel like I was taking advantage of a girl if I was dating her and she was spoiling me, even if she didn't see it that way. Then again, I'm coming to see that mainstream hetero financial dynamics appear to be a bit different than your typical dyke financial dynamics so it might be different with girls and sugardaddies/rich boyfriends.

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    Minette, I work with a girl (lesbian) who's only requirement for her gf's is a six figure salary... and she gets it! Most of them are from LA. She tried sharing her tips with me... but it all seemed so underhanded, lol. I couldn't use someone like that if I really cared about them, either. Maybe it's because I had a couple guys do that to me? (Not that I'm knocking rich boyfriends!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    OK, I know it's a sugardaddy thread, but here's a thought:

    Why not find a rich boyfriend?

    Then you want to text message him all day. And on top of that -- you want to rush home to jump his bones at night. You love his smell and his eyes, you want to wear his shirt around the house all day, you can't stop looking at him and you pout when he's not around.

    He also pays all your bills, buys you outrageous gifts, wires cash into your bank account whenever you really need it, buys whatever you may want, is amazing in bed and even gives great phone sex.

    I mean, come on. It's not that rare. You are amazingly hott, remember?
    There is nothing wrong with dating someone wealthy, rich, whatever... the problem is the defined boundaries of that relationship. For me, love and money are two VERY VERY VERY separate things. A boyfriend is a love relationship, a sugar daddy is a money relationship. If I had a rich boyfriend, I would not see a cent of his earnings unless he so convinced me to treat me to a dinner, movie, something. I would never in a million years let a man pay my bills, and any boyfriend of mine would love and respect my stubborn independence, and would understand that INDEPENDENCE , especially financial, is one of the REASons why I dance to begin with... so I will never have to rely on a man OTC for money. Therefore, I don't think I would get any expensive/outrageous gifts... this happened once and I made him return it. It felt so wrong I couldn't even begin to describe. A love relationship, in my mind, has nothing to do with financial support. It's emotional support and intellectual stimulation. It's helping matching weaknesses for strengths and vice versa. I could see how a love relationship might delve into the financial as one party mighttemporarily take on the expenses (tuition, rent, doctors' bills, etc.) to either help them through a difficult situation, or to aid them in achieving their own independence/future. I have seen some couples (I will call them *financially unequal) do this and achieve success... but it must be a LOVE relationship, and like I said, TEMPORARILY. Otherwise, it fosters nothing but laziness, ingratitude, inEPTitude, and failure to do/achieve for oneself. This usually also causes low self-esteem and emotional rebellion on both sides of the relationship. NO LOVE RELATIONSHIP I have ever seen in which one party pays the other party's expenses on a PERMAnent basis has ever worked.

    A sugar daddy, on the other hand, is a financial relationship. Yes, the recipient may genuinely care for her benefactor, but not in the way she would care for a lover/boyfriend. Sometimes the benefactor is truly love-smitten, often he is not but he has other reasons for wanting to sponsor a (usually younger), beautiful, sensual woman whom he finds to be appropriate for such a relationship. The relationship usually comes with defined boundaries, but what defines it is that the benefactor/recipent relationship is a BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT.... and usually temporary. The benefactor has needs (emotional, sometimes physical, and often intellectual... he is a the ultimate long-term customer) for which he is willing to pay a certain price, and the recipient is "compensated" (PAID) for her time for providing those services. Pure Business. any business arrangement can find people caring for each other. doesn't mean it's love.

    So, to sum up... why not a rich boyfriend?? Because a boyfriend, no matter what the hell his salary is, could never be a business arrangement. The boundaries of each relationship are explicitly different.

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    so,n when ever i find this perfect rich boyfriend, remind me to marry him, k ya'll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    Girls, come on, you are hott. You don't need this crap. Work it a little.
    If it were just that simple, then all the girls on SW would have giant rocks on their fingers and talk about nothing but bride's maid's dresses and honeymoons, because we are obviously so damn hot. Every last one of us.

    Hustling, thank g-d, is so much easier than dating. If I were as bad at hustling as I am at relationships, I would be eating ramen sitting on a mattress on the floor of my tenament apartment without wireless internet and stripperweb to keep me up at night.

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    I think TOO is dead-on. Why avoid and reject genuine generosity? Like any other guy, if you work through your issues you can have a successful relationship that won't make you dependent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    That's what I was thinking. If sex is involved, why not have sex with someone you find attractive? Why not have sex with someone who is unattached? Why not have sex with someone who will spoil you rotten and not expect anything but genuine affection in return?
    Not all sugar daddies are ugly.

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    [QUOTE=The Other Owner;1003999] There are enough funny, rich, interesting and hott guys out there for them to actually like, and be taken care of in a way that is free of all the sandtraps and bogus emotional baggage and second-guessing that goes along with suggardaddydom.[QUOTE]

    One question for you, TOO-where the hell are these guys hiding???

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    Embyr- well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    True story: Nicolina and I are in Santa Monica after lunch and she's sporting some new stripper shoes we just bought and a skirt I can't even begin to describe. I have to go get the Jag out of the garage, and I know how really stupid it is to leave her alone on the street for even 5 minutes wearing those shoes and skirt. So I say, "look, I'm going to get the car, and by the time I get back, I expect at least one guy all over you. Please don't make me kill him."

    So sure enough, 4 minutes, 30 seconds later, I pull around and there is this guy in her face. She hops in the car and looks at me and says, "He introduced himself as an unemployed millionaire. How can you resist that?"
    lol, that was funny. But he didn't start off the conversation saying he was an unemployed millionaire. I may have asked him what he did, and that was his answer. I admit I found it rather charming.

    I think that was only because of the shoes, though (which I only wore as a goof). That doesn't happen to me on a regular basis. But, you know, you guys could try wearing your stripper shoes out in public and see if you attract any unemployed millionaires.

    But in all seriousness, the interest has to go both ways. The odds are long enough that you'll find any given person attractive enough to want them as a partner. They're even longer that the person you want will belong to the minority of men who are wealthy.

    We're the choosy sex, remember?

    Anyway, you would be amazed at how many rich, good-looking guys keep having to endure "safe" girls who bore the hell out of them. They need to upgrade to the girls who are both hott and smart.
    I don't know. I think Viola was right in that a lot of guys want those safe girls, at least as wives. Plus I think most guys who choose boring women do it because they're pretty damn boring themselves. It's hard to keep up with someone "interesting" if you don't fit that description yourself.

    Also agree with most everything said by Embyr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    OK, I know it's a sugardaddy thread, but here's a thought:

    Why not find a rich boyfriend?

    Then you want to text message him all day. And on top of that -- you want to rush home to jump his bones at night. You love his smell and his eyes, you want to wear his shirt around the house all day, you can't stop looking at him and you pout when he's not around.

    He also pays all your bills, buys you outrageous gifts, wires cash into your bank account whenever you really need it, buys whatever you may want, is amazing in bed and even gives great phone sex.

    I mean, come on. It's not that rare. You are amazingly hott, remember?
    Well, some of us aren't looking for love.

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    What is this thing we have with blaming the wives (and then we wonder why they don't like strippers?)

    Has it occurred to anyone that these women are perfectly fine human beings, who just have the misfortune of aging at the same rate as their husbands? Or that they are perfectly normal and interesting, and just are unfortunate enough to have boring husbands (perhaps some of them making the same trade of affection for wealth that we are contemplating here?), and thus direct some of their attention elsewhere? Why are we obsessed with placing ourselves above "civilian" women? (That might be another thread - does it have something to do with mitigating guilt? I don't feel guilt - about this; I am CAPABLE of feeling guilt in general - so I'm not sure).

    TOO - you make it sound so nice. But really. Just because you enjoy the person's company doesn't mean that a relationship of dependency isn't being fostered, and it still creates an unequal relationship - and seriously; everything is well and good until the first time the two of them fight, and he inevitably calls her a whore and threatens to withdraw the financial support. The relationship is unequal, no matter how ugly or handsome the guy is.

    Ladies - just earn your money. Seriously - I understand how tempting it is when you are apparently offered something for nothing. But really - don't depend on that happening, because it is generally safe to assume that you don't get something for nothing. Just make your own money.
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    You know, there was a man who would pay for everything as long as I did what he wanted and satisfied his expectations. I just found it stifling and uncomfortable, and one day I said, "I'm paying my own bills. I don't need your money any more, Dad."

    When I started dancing I said it was because I'd rather make my money a little at a time from a lot of guys who only expected a table dance than all of it from one to whom I was accountable.

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    Hi my name is FBR and I am a dickless coward. Im afraid of losing 90% of my net worth and trailer parks scare me.
    LOL! I have to say that you FBR sure do have a good sense of humor

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    Ladies - just earn your money. Seriously - I understand how tempting it is when you are apparently offered something for nothing. But really - don't depend on that happening, because it is generally safe to assume that you don't get something for nothing. Just make your own money.
    Amen to that!

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    What is this thing we have with blaming the wives (and then we wonder why they don't like strippers?)

    Has it occurred to anyone that these women are perfectly fine human beings, who just have the misfortune of aging at the same rate as their husbands? Or that they are perfectly normal and interesting, and just are unfortunate enough to have boring husbands (perhaps some of them making the same trade of affection for wealth that we are contemplating here?), and thus direct some of their attention elsewhere? Why are we obsessed with placing ourselves above "civilian" women? (That might be another thread - does it have something to do with mitigating guilt? I don't feel guilt - about this; I am CAPABLE of feeling guilt in general - so I'm not sure).

    TOO - you make it sound so nice. But really. Just because you enjoy the person's company doesn't mean that a relationship of dependency isn't being fostered, and it still creates an unequal relationship - and seriously; everything is well and good until the first time the two of them fight, and he inevitably calls her a whore and threatens to withdraw the financial support. The relationship is unequal, no matter how ugly or handsome the guy is.

    Ladies - just earn your money. Seriously - I understand how tempting it is when you are apparently offered something for nothing. But really - don't depend on that happening, because it is generally safe to assume that you don't get something for nothing. Just make your own money.
    I couldn't agree with this more. I was in my "sugar daddy" relationship for almost two years, and even though there was GENUINE love and affection, it WAS NOT an equal relationship, like the one he should have had with his wife. I didn't feel like I had the right to make the kind of requests you need to make of your partner to have a healthy relationship. When push came to shove, he was always right because he paid the bills and I didn't want to risk pissing him off. Maybe that's's part of the reason our relationship lasted as long as it did, I needed the money and daddy-like emotional support and he needed to be the daddy/supporter in a romantic relationship. Over the course of the long term, if I had been as devoted to dancing as I was to my relationship, I would have made MORE money.

    I am not opposed to a sugar daddy-baby relationship when the guy IS NOT married, but how many of these relationships involve a single guy? Take me as living proof that you should not fuck around with married men, no matter how much you love him, especially when the incentive of money is involved. Money really blurs your judgement. I should have just made my own money and found my own boyfriend. If he's cheating on her, race track odds say he's probably not going to leave her for you. A person needs to leave their marriage for their own reasons. The rejection is devastating, and on a practical level, losing the financial support and going back to dancing is very difficult. My entire life has been turned upside down.

    As for a sugar daddy-baby relationship where you don't like the guy, have sex with him, and take his money, well... that's just a one client hooker.

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    To expand on TOO's comments...just out of curiosity.

    Here is an example. There is a dancer at a club I have frequented in the past. Her name is Mia. She is around 22 years old and is drop dead gorgeous and very classy. I have spent ITC time with her primarily because I enjoy her company (she is much younger than what normally interests me). Plus, she is dancing just for the money (I know most do, but it really shows in her dancing).

    Another dancer (who is good friends with Mia) once told me about Mia's "boyfriend" and how useless the guy was. I see this young lady and think. She could get a line of 100 decent younger guys (that have something going for them). Certainly, one of those 100 would be decent for her.

    I am not making a judgement on her or anyone, just looking for other viewpoints. I know why I frequent clubs, just wondering about her. Seems like she wants more, and I am not sure why she feels she can't get it.

    Any thought?

    Thanks!

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    Plus, she is dancing just for the money (I know most do, but it really shows in her dancing).

    Any thought?
    Here's a thought. All strippers dance just for the money. If you aren't spending money on this girl, you don't need to worry about her personal business. Now go away.

    I agree with Embyr 100%. I've had boyfriends give me money a few times and its a huge turnoff. I'm way too fucking independant. That sucks though. I wish my own internal sense of ethics allowed me to let a man care for me financially. It was different in the club of course, aka the "special ethical arena."

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