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    I've been a dancer for quite a while now. Don't get me wrong, I make money but not as much as I know is out there. I work in a place with a lot of girls, and customers who come in have a shitload of money - it's just that getting it out of them sometimes is like getting blood out of a stone.

    I can honestly say I've never done anything in this job I shouldn't have and truth be told and we all know it - many girls do. I know for a plain fact that many girls I work around are doing extras and agreeing to go back to the guy's hotel rooms.

    Every night I am asked to do something else and I always say no. I don't even say yes even when I'm not going to do it anyway. I believe in giving people an honest service and not promising things I am not going to do. But I know a lot of girls don't care.

    My good friend and I are at a similar point in our 'careers' - you could say. Maybe we're just not hard enough, too real, not full of enough shit. We look around us and see the girls we work with giggling so fake and rubbing themselves up agains the customers. Makes us near sick.

    We have the confidence to say that we're both good looking and fit girls, we just get taken the piss out of and every night we see these mingers with wads of notes coming out of there asses.

    How do we get ourselves out of this phase and play the game a bit better, without comprimising our beliefs and morals, and without doing anything we don't want to and shouldn't have to do?

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    Just keep doing what you're doing. When I first started dancing, a more veterened dancer told me, "CK you're such a sweet and pretty girl. In all honesty I dont' think you'll last very long in this business" She then went on to tell me that dancing makes you "harder" which I do believe is true, but for some reason, I have not changed my outter shell yet. I'm still very nice, and humble.

    You and your friend should just continue to do what you've been doing. Nothing is wrong with being a little more flirtatious, it's apart of our job. But, also remember that when you work, you should always be comfortable, and still respect yourself. When you reach a point where you can't look at yourself in the mirrorthen something is wrong.







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    The guys seem to like the whole slutbag/all over them thing - and girls get away with that!

    If we did that we'd probably get the sack instantaneously!

    We're not going to snog or grind these assholes! It absolutely disgusts me!

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    I find it hard to be pushy and push for sit-downs. Most of the time when I sense the guy wants a little bit more for his money I just walk away rather than continue on and play mind games or abuse him!

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    Listen, I think I'm like the only girl in my club who doesn't use the whole "slut/all over them/sitting in laps" type of girl. I still make my money though. Honestly, I dont' care if I can sense that a guy wants a little more for his money, that in turn just makes me more cautious of him, and encourages me to get my money up front.

    Sell your good girl image. I do and it works. There is nothing wrong with flirty because I do that too. But again, I still make my money at the end of the day. I dont' have to be in every guys lap, arms and legs strattling him to ask him for a dance. I remain classy, and that is what I sell.







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    If someone called me "nice" I wouldn't take it as a compliment. That's right along there with the insipid adjective, "sweet."

    I'm neither of those things, but I don't cutthroat at work and I don't give false promises to guys. I have strung regulars along by not being 100% forthright about my relationship status, but that's the game.

    And yes, I make a shitload of cash. I don't know what a minger is, but it sounds like an insult. You need to step it up a notch instead of criticizing other dancers for doing what they have to do to make a living. This job isn't for everyone, and unless they are doing extras and prostituting out of the club, you need to save your insults.

    You can be as pretty and fit as you wanna be, but it doesn't mean you'll make money as a stripper. There's a lot more to it. Go read Hustle Hut, or even threads in this forum and you'll find that it's a complicated and not always easy way to make a living.
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    Ahh, so you're saying that the girls who are uglier than you (minger) are the ones making the money. I guess I'd have to see them to make judgment, but you sound bitter. Maybe you should think about another line of work.
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    This business is only partially about looks. It's much more about personality and sales ability. Often, it is not the hottest girl in the club that makes the cash, simply because she's not the best salesperson. It is unfortunate that many girls in our business offer extras, and it does make it hard to compete. I work in Detroit, where hand jobs are almost expected. Yet, I make money without doing any of that.

    How?

    Personality, sales, and reading my customer. I don't bother with guys looking for handjobs. I go for business men who need some company, who want more of a geisha-style service. And I keep them for years. Do I make as much as I did in the 90s? No. Do I make as much as if I was hooking? I have no idea, but probably not. Do I make a good living? Absolutely.

    Yes, I am hot. Yes, I am in shape. I am usually in the top 5-10% of girls in a club, though I have smaller boobs. What I have over the other hot girls in many clubs is the ability to let the gentleman know that he is my world for the time I am talking to him, the skill to be fun and bouncy without being ditzy. And, most of all, the ability to ignore the girls around me. I don't drink or do drugs, I have another full-time career, and I don't give a shit what the other girls do unless they do it in front of my customer when I am with him/her.

    Venting is acceptable, but this is a rough job and you will have to compete with girls willing to do more. Instead of bemoaning your hotness not making you cash, learn better hustle skills and/or move clubs to someplace more acceptable.

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    I think you could use the sweet, nice girl towards your advantage. Dress really classy wearing rhinestone jewelry and gowns. Many gentlemen with money tend to like that along with an intelligent woman who can carry a conversation with them. Try to use what you have and improve on it instead of totally changing yourself. You might have to be a little bolder and not take any shit attitude but can still have the sweet classy image too. You don't have to be a slut to make money, take it from me! One thing I've done is I focus on getting VIP rooms with just me and the customer and preferably a customer who's never been to the club or only been once or twice before or someone who hasn't been in years. That way the customer hasn't been exposed to what some of the other girls are doing that I won't do and you're alone with the customer which makes it easier to set the boundaries versus if you're doing a group VIP, it's much harder to tell your customer "no, that's not allowed" when the there's a dancer right next to him doing all kinds of things you said wasn't allowed. This is how I've so far survived this business and still been able to make good money. Don't give up!!!

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    I'm not saying that you HAVE to rub up against guys, and such, to make money, but it's part of being flirty and it's what sells in some clubs. I'm also not telling you to rub their dicks as you tell them how they should have a lapdance with you, but pay attention to your body language. It's all part of the fantasy. So what the other girls have fake smiles and giggles...it's part of the job. Do you want a waitress at a restaurant who looks like she's about to kill someone? No, even if she has just broken up with her bf or whatever, you still want service with at least a pleasant person...though, not fake.

    Maybe think about switching clubs. I've been in some clubs where girls rubbing tits on guys' faces is the norm. I wasn't into straddling them or doing that before a lapdance, so I didn't make as much money...but that's my own fault for staying there. They're not doing anything wrong. In other clubs, I look like the aggressive one, because I will rub the guys' necks, shoulders, backs, etc while talking to them; other girls won't even touch them.

    How do you get out of the "phase"? My only suggestion is to put on a better act. Some girls that I've encountered say that they want to "be themselves" at work. I respect that, greatly, but still know that "being yourself" in some instances won't always sell. Not everyone will like the true you. Strip clubs aren't about reality, they're about fantasy.

    Lastly, if you can't handle doing the previous, just keep doing what you're doing, but get used to making less. Sometimes it's better to preserve your psychological well-being instead of being Ms. Moneybags.

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    It really sounds like you don't have the stripper personality, frankly. It's YOUR JOB to be flirtatious and physical. If you have a problem with that, then you are fundamentally not cut out for this job. You don't need to give extras or be a hooker, but if you work in a club that allows contact you do need to be ok with being physically affectionate with strangers. If you really think you can just dance, never touch anyone, and not giggle at the customer's bad jokes, then you're not going to make it.

    Guys would rather get dances from an ugly girl who makes them believe they're the sexiest, funniest, smartest man alive than a pretty girl who is a prude and acts barely interested in him. Maybe that's the problem?

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    In this job we are always having to negotiate with ourselves what we will and won't do for money. In the end, having good boundaries -- and you sound like you do -- will serve you well. Of course, there's pretty much always a trade-off between maintaining those boundaries and making money. If you're the girl giving $10 handjobs, you're going to stay busy all night. If another girl is giving $10 handjobs are you aren't, you are going to lose some handjob-seeking customers to her. Is it worth it? That's your call.

    Flirtation is a big part of the job. Fawing all over a man like a lust-crazed nympho doesn't come naturally to a lot of women, which is why people like us get paid to do it. Now, there are certainly plenty of ways to be flirtatious without exchange of bodily fluids. Lots of eye contact, "eager" body language, and listening to your customers while they talk will go a long way.

    There are lots of customers out there who want a slutty girl to hang all over them, and if you want their money you have to accomodate them in this. But there are other customers who do actually enjoy the company of a smart woman with some self-respect. They're rarer, but they are out there and, in the end, generally make better customers. It's just a matter of who you want to appeal to, and what you're prepared to do to make that appeal.

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    Nice Girls Finish Last sounds like an excuse to me.

    I'm nice and I'd be damn if I finished last and I don't, but you have to be prepared to step it up to compete.

    It's not about losing your morals and values it's about bettering yourself at a job to make more money.

    Honestly evaluate your hustle and look around you -- can an improvement be made? If you want to make more money, you'll have to do something different to make that happen.

    If making more money dancing is what you really want to do right now you will find plausible alternatives to better your hustle. It's okay to vent, I do it ten times over but dream into action and grow from this experience -- don't let it be the end all be all of your dancing career.

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    Use you wit and intelligence to go up to them, on first approach, with a joke, make fun of their shirt/shoes/whatever, and it will really surprise them. I do this all the time, mostly because that's all I can think of to say! And the last thing I want to say is "Hi, how are you? What's your name?"

    Just picture like you are at a party, and there's a hot guy who you want to pay attention to you, so go up to them and act original, flirtatious, yet a bit shy and giggly. Always be smiling and ready to laugh.

    I'm in the same exact situation yr in, nite after nite "Wow! yr the first real girl I've met!" Which does get me down, but I also have a lot of repeat customers who are smart and funny, just think about it like this, you will attract richer and more well behaved customers. Or try to think that!

    But yea work on yr initial approach, that's what gets me $$ everytime, they tell me so during dances. And try to show as much skin as you can, a lot of smarter girls won't, but have respect for and understand the sleaze factor...men love it. Sometimes this job is all about being who yr not.

    P.S. Where do you work? You sound a little british, lol

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    I work in Britain. A 'minger' for those who don't know - is someone who is a little unattractive and that's fine if some people like that. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

    I make good money on occasion, nothing mega grand but I also have a couple of regulars sit down customers every now and then as well as people coming in for dances. I am well liked by the regular clientele in our club, but a lot of them say I'm too nice and don't want to spend the big bucks. I won't sit there and beg 'oh please baby' - pah, I'd sooner walk away - I don't need the money that bad, and personally would rather eat glass than come across desperate.

    With regular customers, I do not ask them to come in, however if I did I'm sure they would. I don't think it's right to play them so I don't but feel confident that they have a nice time when they come and see me.
    The gentlemen feel that I am a 'real person' who they can talk to Alaska, probably similar to yourself, because my approach is usually quite jovial and a little cheeky, but never false and contrived. I can flirt to a point and I guess in some instances it works. The whole thing has really just been doing my head in lately. I'm sure you all get it.

    It's a little unfair to call me bitter, I'm not but as you're probably fully aware in the nature of this business it's very easy to become short tempered and pissed off with the situation sometimes. When I don't have to knock girls over to get to a customer, I do alright and earn a good living. And I work hard, we all have our down moments.

    The phrase 'Nice Girls Finish Last' is generally just me insinuating that maybe I have to bite the bullet and be harder, more pushy and not care so much about other people around me. Why should I? I'm here for me.
    When you blatantly see girls around you behaving in a manner which is well and truly against the rules, when you're someone who plays by the rules 100% - yeah it's going to make you lose a little bit of confidence somewhere along the line - more and more and more gents are coming in asking for more and not giving it because I say no. I know fine well that the girls who constantly make shitloads of money every night are promising more after club hours.

    So I'm ranting and most of this post is all over the post, but that's what it's here for right? I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

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    If you just worked on those two areas, I think you might discover some new moneymaking opportunities.

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    I am well liked by the regular clientele in our club, but a lot of them say I'm too nice and don't want to spend the big bucks. I won't sit there and beg 'oh please baby' - pah, I'd sooner walk away - I don't need the money that bad, and personally would rather eat glass than come across desperate.
    If they tell you that you are too nice, its because they are not interested in you, whether its your looks or personality. Move on. Dont beg, but don't just walk away either. Read Stripperweb some, there are lots of great hustle tricks here that don't involve dirtiness. Being persistent isn't nearly as bad as swallowing glass. Remember, people like to buy and don't like being sold. If you feel that trying again is desperate, the customer will feel that "pushy" vibe from you.



    Quote Originally Posted by LittleMissSunshine View Post
    With regular customers, I do not ask them to come in, however if I did I'm sure they would. I don't think it's right to play them so I don't but feel confident that they have a nice time when they come and see me.
    FYI, I was majorly not into regulars, but when I found a decent guy who enjoyed me being reasonably "real" with him, I would give him the number to my business phone. It was usually a very nice encounter for us both, an easy business for about 3-5 sessions. After that they usually get bored or want more. But it was never about stringing along. Certainly your club has customers that are very tolerable? Also, if they do come back and spend money on another girl, don't take it personally and don't begin to feel entitled. It will save your sanity.


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    Well, certainly stick to your boundaries & your values. You can make money and still maintain your dignity. But please do not disrespect yourself by sacrificing your values for the sake of money so you can keep up with the extras girls.

    You do need to be a good flirt in this business. You don't have to hang all over anyone, but like someone on here said, your body language & eye contact can make a guy feel special and want to spend money on you.

    I am the innocent-looking, sweet girl at my work, and I often work from the "cute" angle. Or I sell dances with intelligent conversation or humor. I think the only time I act "sexy" is when I am onstage. Humor works the best for me because I can be a funny girl when I want to be and when your customer is laughing and having a good time, they are more relaxed and willing to spend money. I think you need to have more fun at work. If people see you having fun, then they will want to get dances from you because you're, well, fun.

    Don't pay so much attention to what the other girls are doing. Focus on you, have fun, and by doing that you will attract the money. You CAN be nice and still do well.
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