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    Pole - One More Question (Material and Width) ?

    Okay, so I like to be an educated consumer, right? However, this sometimes works to my disadvantage creating indecision :sigh: .

    Just as I finally decided on a Titanium ("Best of Both Worlds") pole, a monkey-wrench in my plans -

    They released an X-Pole 45mm ; .

    I am no longer confident now but yet again, indecisive . I have never worked neither a 45mm, nor a Titanium pole before, so I would be going mostly on you ladies' (or gentlemens' :wink: ) opinions .

    So, my questions to you below.

    1) Which is better material - Titanium or Chrome ?

    2) Has anyone tried the thinner 45mm pole? Which one is better ?
    I read that pole champions preferred it to the standard because it made their more difficult moves easier to perform.

    Anybody? Please - My frustration is beginning to incur within me a regretful submittal to give up on my personal desire to further explore the dark erotic musings of becoming ever more gracious and pleasing in my performance ...

    Nevertheless, my imagination is fueling the imaginings of lip-smacking wet gushing fun that one might also achieve on a pole, other than dance, of course ::shivers:: .

    Oh, I definitely need to decide already ...

    So, I am just hoping that you ladies can help me narrow this mutha down.

    I appreciate your help.


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    Default Re: Pole - One More Question Please Ladies ?

    chrome is really slippery, and why would you want a pole that is not what you would encounter at work? Wouldn't you want to practice with the equipment you would really be using?

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    1) Which is better material - Titanium or Chrome ?


    brass



    2) Has anyone tried the thinner 45mm pole? Which one is better ?


    smaller poles are nice because we tend to have smaller hands, however, it can be difficult to go from the smaller to the standard 2" poles in most clubs.

    also, for "leg" tricks, i find the standard 2" much better...you don't have to "squeeze" as hard lol





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    Good point SassySummer -

    I "squeeze" a bit as well; not a ton, but a nice firm bit - LoL .

    An unrelated wrist injury, followed ironically by a broken finger (playing football ), I was forced to give it a break - a pretty long break which unfortunately interfered with my progression.

    I also have smaller hands. At the moment I consider myself to still be building upper body strength; however, I look forward to achieving inversions (in the privacy of my home) .

    I searched the threads for "diameter," "width" and "titanium" and the searches came up pretty short, except for my "Pole Preference" thread in particular in which titanium was given an approximately 50% positive review (2 responses).

    These options are still relatively new, so I am guessing that not many have had much experience with either of these before;

    I was just wondering if that had changed by now.

    Thanks Sassy ...


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    Having used both brass and titanium regularly I can say that they are pretty equal in grip quality. One difference is that the titanium doesn't tarnish though so that makes it easier for upkeep and maintainence.

    Chrome grips better than stainless but then it depends on the club as many clubs here actually use the stainless poles so to have a brass or titanium may be a disadvantage if you practice on that at home and go to the club and cannot grip the pole as well.

    The 45mm pole is great for the hand grip but as Sassy states it's more difficult for the leg grips and it's still the same situation as the brass/titanium vs chrome/stainless...if you are learning and advancing on a 45mm you will have a difficult time using a standard 2 inch pole which is what most venues have.

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    Aha! That's what the club I was talking about in another thread used, chrome! They got them from a muffler place, lol. I just wasn't thinking what the hell the metal was called--of course it was chrome.

    I am in the process of figuring out how to make my own, so I have been looking up metal tubing dealers. I can get a 2" thick 12' brass tube for 150$. I think I'm going to go for it. All I will have to do then is figure out a way to make a little stage, since I can lash it easily at the top to the big beam in my loft apt.

    I thought about smaller diameter as well, but opted for the standard 2". I don't want it to be easier.
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    Be very careful when constructing your own pole!

    Not only do you need the brass tube...but you need the reinforcement rod up the middle...unless the thickness of the brass itself is 1/32.

    Depending on the caliper and diameter...we know you got the 2" diameter...but how thick is it! Brass is one of the softest metals used for poles, and if it is not thick enough it will bend or snap!

    I am currently having a brass prototype made for myself..my third attempt....but I have bent one, snapped the other in half...now I am looking at a lined tube!

    I just want to make sure that the proper material is used..to make sure you are safe!
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    I hate the skinny poles! Mine is 2" and at my new club they are 45mm and I can't do any tricks on them.
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    Why thank you...

    Some dealers list the thickness, some don't. I'll look into that before I get one!
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    Titanium for sure, and I would NOT want a skinny pole!! I prefer them the thicker, the better! (ahhhahahha) No, seriously. I think it's hard to do inverted pole tricks on a thin pole, my leg does not stick as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sassysummer View Post
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    Which is better material - Titanium or Chrome ?


    brass
    That's just not fair!!! If it were a perfect world poles would only be made of brass, but if we have to weigh pros and cons of Platinum Stages vs. X-Pole vs. Something else it would be beneficial to share which material is the lesser of two evils (maybe?). I started a post like this a little while back and didn't get much light shed on the matter. I still want my X-Pole (too many horror stories of PS customer service nightmares) and I too would like to know if Chrome or Titanium is better.
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    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    I measured the space and I only need 10'.

    How strong is the 1/32nd" thick pole without a liner? I am 6'2" 180 pounds and pretty vigorous, should I just get the damned liner instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    That's just not fair!!! If it were a perfect world poles would only be made of brass, but if we have to weigh pros and cons of Platinum Stages vs. X-Pole vs. Something else it would be beneficial to share which material is the lesser of two evils (maybe?). I started a post like this a little while back and didn't get much light shed on the matter. I still want my X-Pole (too many horror stories of PS customer service nightmares) and I too would like to know if Chrome or Titanium is better.
    Sophia...there are a couple of pros and cons.

    As I said, having used both types regularly, I see no difference in the grip between brass and titanium and the titanium doesn't tarnish so cleaning is easier.

    Choosing between chrome and titanium is a matter of your preference. Chrome obviously grips less than the titanium. If you learn/practice on chrome you will be stronger and be certain to be able to perform on titanium since you have to learn to grip harder on the chrome.

    If you practice/learn on titanium (or brass for that matter) you will need less grip - then if you wind up dancing on a chrome (or stainless) pole elsewhere it will be more difficult for you to do your usual tricks.

    You still have to adjust your grip so that you don't grab as hard when you go from a grippy pole to a less grippy one, but that is easier to manage than the other way around as the other way you are talking about building less strength when you use brass/titanium poles.

    Personally I recommend the chrome.

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    Besides brass, my choice is chrome..as Empyrean stated...once you master a chrome...you can perform on anything!

    Djoser...are you permanently fixing the pole to the floor and ceiling..and yes I think you should get the liner to be safe!!
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    woah nelly!

    i'm not being biased...i'm just going by what i know.

    as for cs from platinum stages...most of the horror stories are from a couple of years ago. they have gotten rid of the lady that was handling stuff and now have kim..whom i have NEVER had a problem with. now, the owner is a nightmare..but you don't have to deal with him.

    however, i don't find chrome slippery..it find it quite sticky...STAINLESS steel on the other hand is quite slick and will make you much stronger because you have to work harder with your grip.





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    Arrrrghhh !

    OK; I feel better now; LoL.

    It shouldn't be this hard to decide something. Okay; rationalize ...

    On the one hand I am an overachiever and in agreement with Djoser:


    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I thought about smaller diameter as well, but opted for the standard 2". I don't want it to be easier.
    But then that means that chrome would be more challenging, which I would actually prefer .

    However, I have read HORROR stories about chrome (sorry Djoser ::band aid on booboo:: ) involving concussions, spinal and scapular injuries due to the slickness of the pole.

    I just don't want to bust my .

    Question: For those of you who are experienced with, if I were to give in to the titanium, on a scale from one to ten, how difficult would it be to transition the moves onto a chrome pole?

    I mean, would it be near to impossible (10/10), or would it simply be "more difficult" (4-6/10) ?

    Not for nothing, but if I'm gonna pay $400 for a metal tube, it better be precisely what I want, feel me ?

    What they charge so much for is actually the internal threaded compression and articulating base which pivots to adjust to unlevelness of the floor/ceiling;

    Darn me not having my industrial wholesaler's license; Tee hee.

    P.S. Thanks bunches to all of you who have contributed to this thread thus far. I really appreciate all of your thoughts and opinions.


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    Moderators--sorry, should this be in the sticky thread at the top? I just posted briefly there, but this conversation is more along the lines of the process I am going through--making my own as opposed to ordering one. Sorry if this is inappropriate.

    I don't want to permanently affix the pole to either floor or ceiling--the landlord's representative is anal about stuff like this, plus I want to be able to move with it easily.

    My original plan was just to lash the top securely to the big wood beam that extends across the top area of my loft apartment. Then find some way of stabilizing the bottom--some sort of little stage-like thing, I suppose. I don't want a big stage like some of the portable pole manufacturers have. I don't like the way they look, and I'm not going to be performing for audiences, this will be for me and my friends to use for play and practice.

    While I'm not a carpenter, I am fairly adept at some sorts of homemade engineering, lol. If I can just get a pole delivered down here without spending an arm and a leg, I think I could make it safe and practical.

    The problem I am running into now is the 8' length limit UPS has.
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    H2T...you're right the chrome would be more challenging than brass so if you went with chrome you could easily adjust to brass when you needed to.

    I'm not certain I could compare on a scale of 1-10 like that. I know that most of the dancers who use brass/titanium poles regularly really dislike switching down to chrome or stainless but you seldom hear them complain about the other way around.

    Why not just go with chrome and be sure of using either type?

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    Empyrean ( your name BTW...), as a result of your advice, I think I have swayed from titanium preference to chrome.

    My main goal is peak strength conditioning. I am not interested in giving my body a break when it comes to shortcuts.

    I want to know that if I am hanging upside down, that I am doing so by my own strength and muscle engagement and not with the help of the "gripinesss" of the pole -

    What can I say?

    I guess a dot of shaving cream would suffice for grip on the chrome ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot2Trot View Post


    My main goal is peak strength conditioning. I am not interested in giving my body a break when it comes to shortcuts.

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    One club I worked in had a stainless steel pole. After a few months there it made no difference whatsoever with the tricks. You just learn to grip a little harder, so as not to bash your head on the fucking stage, lol! Now i might have a bit of a problem as I'm not used to it.

    I walked into the restaurant supply store here in town, and the first thing I saw was a kiosk where they had their registers and a work area for the employees to wait on people. It was supported by two stainless steel poles.

    The woman said "Can I help you?", and I said "Yes, I want one of these." and gripped the pole firmly with one hand. But the kiosk wasn't very strong and the whole thing shook, lol. She was cool, though, she thought it was funny (after it failed to crash down or break). She was quite amused by the whole deal, asking why I wantedit, my answer, etc.

    Sorry, I digress, but I could tell by gripping it even briefly that I wasn't used to it.
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    just to clarify...chrome is NOT stainless.

    chrome is a coating (usually on a steel pole) and can chip (just like powder coating), especially if you have rings or bracelets/watch on..also shoes could chip it, so be careful with it.

    i don't really like chrome. one of my students has a chrome pole at her house and it gave me serious blisters. also, it tends to "hold" heat..meaning it can get very hot (like if your spinning on it a lot) I noticed that my powder coated poles get hot too. I've actually burned the tips of my fingers on the chrome and powder coated poles before from spinning fast. i probably grip pretty hard..but still it hurts! lol





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    Quote Originally Posted by sassysummer View Post
    just to clarify...chrome is NOT stainless.

    I've actually burned the tips of my fingers on the chrome and powder coated poles before from spinning fast. i probably grip pretty hard..but still it hurts! lol
    Wow...

    I'm impressed.


    I did know that chrome and SS were different, but the principle of welcoming the difficulty is the same, if someone buys it anyway.
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    yea, it's usually electroplated

    chrome is "usually" shinier than stainless, so that's why it's used for things you want shiny...like the grills on your car/truck.

    stainless is usually a bit "duller" in looks, UNLESS you get a mirrored finish..which essentially means high polish. then it's as shiny as chrome.

    so stainless is by far the slickest of all poles and requires more strength...chrome is more sticky, similar to brass...but because it's a coating you have to wipe it down more than brass (same with stainless, it doesn't "soak" up the oils like brass)

    i believe the titanium poles are a "coated" pole also. it's actually a titanium alloy, not pure titanium, which is actually a very soft metal...however the alloy is quite strong. but it is a coating which makes it less "work" than brass as far as upkeep and i believe pantera had issues with the coating changing colors or rubbing "off"...but don't quote me on that..i'll have to go back and read her post again.





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    Actually, the titanium poles do soak up the oils exactly like brass which is why it grips the same as brass and does not require any more wiping than the brass, but in fact less since it will not tarnish. Brass poles can build up tarnish in one day that can affect the pole grip.

    Also, people should be aware that chrome poles will not chip or flake unless they are improperly handled - like banging them together, dropping them, or wearing jewelry or metal parts on clothing which will scratch any pole, especially brass.

    Brass, titanium and chrome all hold heat more than stainless which is another reason they grip better. Brass and titanium heat up faster than chrome.

    I've never seen anyone's pole get so hot that they actually blistered skin! Though pole burn from friction is a common occurance on all poles...that is different from a thermal burn.

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    Okay, I think I am back to being indecisive again.

    I certainly don't want to experience blisters, then have to bench it out until it heals;

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