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    There have been alot of threads recently about how black women are discriminated in the US but I was wondering how it was in Australia. I have been wanting to go on vacation there and I was wondering how it is there race wise, not just in the club but out of the club too. Also what are the best places to go during vacation? If anyone could give me some inside that would be awesome.
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    They have Aboriginies, who are just as discriminated against.

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    ^ If not WORSE! Those pooooor people! D:

    And QLD, by far, is the racist state there is. Everyone from other states have always been so nice to me. Men from QLD? They always make me want to cry.

    But when it comes to aboriginals... all I can hear is how they're drunken retards, assholes who use the dole, men who beat their wives... stupid...

    We just had the FIRST aboriginal doctor this YEAR. The FIRST!... my guess isn't because aboriginals are 'stupid'... my guess is because he was the only one given a chance.


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    racisim is everywhere

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    Okay. The thing with the Aborigines is that some of them have all the opportunities in the world to get themselves ahead in life yet won't do it because some of them think that it is a traitorous thing to do thier culture etc etc. "Becoming too much like the white fella" as such.

    I have olive complexion/skin and to this day am still asked within the strip clubs "Are you Australian?" because my skin ain't white. Yet you know what.. I don't care.. I say "Hell yeh.. all my life!" with big ass smile then if they are interested explain that my olive skin is thanks to my mother's father being Mascedonian (sp?).

    Whilst QLD can be a bit backwards it is only certain parts I find that are and people... anyway, I can't really say really as I have not really experienced any racism first-hand.

    You'd think with the whole nation being multi-cultural it wouldn't be such a problem yet it can be it seems. In the end, it is a human thing so you can't really escape it unless you don't associate with humans anymore

    Now that should NOT stop you from visiting as it is a silly reason to do so. There is alot that this country can offer you as a visitor/guest/tourist to see and do.

    I highly recommend my own country as a great place to vacation!

    Depending on what you want to see/do generally (give me more info) will depend on what I can suggest in re: vacation here.

    www.australia.com for a start


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    Aside from the fact that racial discrimination with respect to work (and many other areas) is just plain old illegal here....

    We are hugely multicultural, especially in Sydney and Melbourne. Qld is a bad example because it's an old, white, redneck area... though you're not going to get bashed here "just because" you're black, asian, arab etc... my classes at uni were testimony to that, i was amazed how many countries were represented.

    Too hot in Qld to give anyone any shit about anything. Too hard.

    Sydney is an amazing mix of ethnicities. A few of the various ethnic gangs cause shit for each other... but every day thousands of people from all over the world cram into trains together to go to work without an issue...

    It really just isn't that big of a deal here
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    Sydney made me sooo happy. I hated the commercialism... looooved the people. QLDer males treat me like SHIT. They treat anybody not fucking their sister for children while making pies out of the front of their 88 Toyota Ute that was turned into a bbq like shit.... Sydney... friiiiendly... 'cept for the whole 'tourist price raise' that occurred at the flea market... but that was funny.


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    Okay. The thing with the Aborigines is that some of them have all the opportunities in the world to get themselves ahead in life yet won't do it because some of them think that it is a traitorous thing to do thier culture etc etc. "Becoming too much like the white fella" as such.
    Exactly. I mean, yeah, they are discriminated against and all that and that's not cool, but there's a lot of them who live like animals who are given opportunities to be brought into society and they don't take it, or they abuse it.

    I grew up in the outback near a town with a very high aboriginal population. My dad works in local government, and he often met with the local gov reps in the neighbouring towns for meetings. The people from this particular town would tell my dad stories about how groups/families of aboriginals would actually be GIVEN houses, for free, to live in. And within 2 months they will have absolutely fucking trashed the house. Smashed the windows, holes in the walls, floors ripped up, faeces and rotten food all over the place. And then they'd have to give them a new house, and that one that they'd previously lived in would have to be demolished because it had been trashed beyond repair. And that's pretty much what a huge part of that local council's funding went to.

    In Darwin, you see countless aboriginals sitting around in groups the streets and in parks wearing rags, drinking petrol, and fighting each other with broken bottles and yelling abuse at people who walk past. And even though they're given money, because the government HAS to give them money just simply for being aboriginal, they don't have homes, they don't send their kids to school, they don't dress in clean clothes, and they don't try to work or make any attempt to contribute to society.

    No, not all aboriginals are like this, so don't think I'm stereotyping. I'm just explaining that I believe that racial discrimination towards Australian aboriginals is very different towards the racial discrimination towards black African Americans in the US. I don't believe that so many people discriminate against aboriginals because they're "black", I believe that they're discriminated against because of the way so many of them cause problems and simply refuse to integrate into society.

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    they reject it because that's not who they are.

    they are nomadic people with a spiritual connection to the land. the first (of many) mistakes the govt made was solving indigenous problems with english remedies i.e. houses.

    if we reversed roles, there's no way we would take on the total opposite of how we live, just because the people that moved here thought we should, without ever considering the value we placed on how we lived.

    it's unfortunate our goals are so diametrically opposed. they have such a long history i can't see how anyone is going to 'make' them suddenly act like english immigrants. and i can see why they're not interested.

    health care is a good start, and a decent bit of respect for who they are/were already.
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    ^Yeah, I was kinda thinkin'... they were here first.. why should they integrate into settler's society? But then, I'm not a native and I probably don't have much of a say.

    That being said, I have a good friend who's aboriginal and all she can do is cry because people think she's just like 'everyone else'.... and I kinda see where she's coming from being stereotyped as a stupid American 'like everyone else' myself... why does a lower number of bad harm a higher number of good? Sad.


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    Aboriginals make up about 1% of the Australian population. Their numbers were greatly reduced by european settlement.

    I live in Melbourne and have only met one or two Aboriginal families in my whole life. You just don't really ever see them. When I visited Cairnes I saw some.

    I don't think racism is as big an issue here as it is in the US.

    We are very multicultural esp Melbourne and Sydney, everyone seems to have a mixed background.

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    the comments darcy and GCG make about the aboriginals are identical to the ones made about blacks in america, for the record. so i would say there is racism. that said, forced welfare breeds a welfare mentality. people destroy 'free' homes and spend 'free' money because it isn't really theirs-- it was forced on them as a sop and they're supposed to fall to their knees and thank others for it. i am utterly unsurprised they spit on such 'gifts'-- it is a known effect of forced welfare culture. see england and council flats if you want to see tons of white people doing the same thing. chav culture and all that. you can't hand anyone, white, black, or aboriginal anything and expect them to consider it 'theirs'.

    i mean, rich people's children do much the same in terms of destroying things and being wastrels with money, you know? humans don't do well being handed everything, whether it is in the form of welfare or cash from daddy.

    i will say that the situation with aboriginals is much more analogous to the native american situation in america, though. equally tiny portion of the population, and thousands killed/died off due to white aussies exploiting inter-tribal conflicts to the white aussies' benefit (whites did much the same with many indian tribes, exploiting old rivalries and hostilities).

    the racial dynamics and problems of australia are very different than in america, and so, like with racial issues in many parts of europe, people tend to say 'we gots no racism really' because they don't have specifically american-like racial issues. but that just means that racism is craftily redefined so that non-american countries can pretend they don't have racial problems also.

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    I never said we don't as it is a human based problem not a country based one. When there are humans of mixed nationalities (aka "tribes") living together there is going to some tensions.............always. Just a human thing.

    I have had Aboriginal friends in High School too and not all aboriginals are against getting ahead in life I know this... look at Ernie Dingo ( http://www.geraldton.wa.gov.au/Extra...ErnieDingo.asp ) for instance ! He is very well respected here. Cathy Freeman may be annoying at times yet that is her personality not her 'race' that is annoying... yet she is also celebrated.

    In the end, racism exists yet it should never deter anyone from visiting any country. The only things that should deter you is cultural more than racial and/or if the country is at war (internal or involving other countries).


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    Just to quote Jane Elliott, "Name one place in the world where you can go and there isnt racism?"

    Without meaning to offend anyone, well reading this thread shows the sorts of oppinions and views many Australians have towards Aboriginal people. "Im not a racist but..." mentality is common here. People tend to generalise about Aboriginal people which is totally stupid.
    However Im doubting that the original poster is Aboriginal so Im not going anymore there for now (-:

    Aboriginal people aside. I dont think people of colour have a harder time here than anywhere else in the world to be honest. Australias racism is different to say what I experienced in England. Here alot of people whinge and whine about other nationalities but if you put a white Aussie in a room with one of the people he's just been whinging about he will usually give the person a fair go, although sometimes it can be a little patronising it still beats various other forms of treatment.
    I dont think you'll have a harder time here than anywhere else, infact I would say if you're in the cities / east coast I doubt it bears thinking about any more than you would usually. Aussies overall are a very friendly bunch of people! (-:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nautilus View Post
    they reject it because that's not who they are.

    they are nomadic people with a spiritual connection to the land. the first (of many) mistakes the govt made was solving indigenous problems with english remedies i.e. houses.

    if we reversed roles, there's no way we would take on the total opposite of how we live, just because the people that moved here thought we should, without ever considering the value we placed on how we lived.

    it's unfortunate our goals are so diametrically opposed. they have such a long history i can't see how anyone is going to 'make' them suddenly act like english immigrants. and i can see why they're not interested.

    health care is a good start, and a decent bit of respect for who they are/were already.

    Eh, there's a difference between promoting your culture and just arguing to be perverse. Pissing and moaning how much you wnat to kill white people is not promiting culture. My friend Mark is a supervisor, and one of his African American employees refuses to wear a tie despite company policy. He says that it's a slave collar imposed by the white man, adn that it would disrespect his heritage. Mark has offered to let him wear traditional clothing (dashiki, caftan, etc), but the guy refused. Basically, the guy just wants to give the aura of a middle finger. He's not promoting his heritage one bit. He doesn't celebrate Kwanzaa or wear African colors or anything. He's red blooded American, yet wants to rebel. A white guy would have been warned repeatedly and eventually fired, but he's protected by the fact that he's coccooned in his own victimhood.

    If they want to promote their culture, great. However, I doubt that the lazy ones would even do that given the chance. It's a thinly veiled disguise for wallowing in self pity.

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    i found it hard coming from nz to aussie.

    In nz maories (native nzders) are treated so differnetly. Sure all the white people bitch about them sitting on the dole, wasting tax payers money and generally being wasteful. But the government grants the maories land in retribution for the past crimes of the white people when they settled here- attacking and killing lots of natives for the land, and also raping the women, and "buying" the land for s "blanket and a musket" as the story goes. ie taking advantage of the situation.

    Coming to Aussie i found aborigional people are kinda pushed to the side, not really welcomed into city society (maybe they dont want to be in the city tho) and most white aussies i have spoken to dont seem to know much about the abo culture.

    Nzders learn songs, phrases, and use maorie words all the time,even the news on tv is engligh/maori theres a huge emphasis on them keeping their identity.

    its weird. i dont know anough about how aussie deals with aborigionals to comment.

    but it is fucking racist here government wise- i mean they lock up people for years who are seeking a free land to live. its fucked up. why do refugees have to be put into prision?!?!?!? racist.

    why is it that if you are not 'asutralian" looking- is white with aussie accent, you are "un-australian"? fuck, i was born here, yet have been called unaustralian so many times this past year....

    there are immigrants here from 50 years ago, who still only sopeak their native tongue. i cant blame them. why should they learn english , when they are outted anyways for not looking australian. why doesnt aussie take the first step forward in bridging the racial gap and make it *compulsary* to learn several languages?

    ya. aussie is racist. but so is everywhere.

    jesus, have you been to japan? even a japanese born white kid is still regarded as a foreginer. even if that kid grows up speaking only japanese, still a foreginer. cruel.

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    but it is fucking racist here government wise- i mean they lock up people for years who are seeking a free land to live. its fucked up. why do refugees have to be put into prision?!?!?!? racist..
    What? That's not rascist. It's a shitty situation but the governments' handling of it is not based on rascism. The refugees in Australia have it better there than you would if you went to thier countries. You'd probably be dead
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    jesus, have you been to japan? even a japanese born white kid is still regarded as a foreginer. even if that kid grows up speaking only japanese, still a foreginer. cruel.
    Amen. I'm half Japanese, but even if I was fluent and raised over there, I'll still be inferior. Sometimes I feel like they're exclaiming over me is like a monkey at the zoo. That's what happens in countries whose nationality equals ethnicity.

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    What? That's not rascist. It's a shitty situation but the governments' handling of it is not based on rascism. The refugees in Australia have it better there than you would if you went to thier countries. You'd probably be dead
    i hear what your saying, but the people seeking a free country to live dont particulary want to be locked up, thats inhumane! they are leaving a shitty countries rule for someone amazing like australia, some of them WANT to embrase aussie laws,politics and eduction for thie kids. they want to work, they want to be free. yet they get imprisioned for longed then some murders get. its just sad, and i assumed it stemmed for the typical aussie gov mentality of brushing minorities to the side in a semi racist way.

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    Amen. I'm half Japanese, but even if I was fluent and raised over there, I'll still be inferior. Sometimes I feel like they're exclaiming over me is like a monkey at the zoo. That's what happens in countries whose nationality equals ethnicity.
    yeah, its heartbreaking, when you see white kids, who are japanese actiing (mannerisms etc) speaking, and born, getting picked on and called gaijin. japan is looking at changing its immigration laws to let in more foreginers soon (so i heard) so in 20 or so years time, hopefully the japanese wont be so harsh on race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz View Post
    yeah, its heartbreaking, when you see white kids, who are japanese actiing (mannerisms etc) speaking, and born, getting picked on and called gaijin. japan is looking at changing its immigration laws to let in more foreginers soon (so i heard) so in 20 or so years time, hopefully the japanese wont be so harsh on race.
    The problem is that they're so intent on keeping their country "pure." They don't want their race to be diluted. They're finally relaxing immigration laws because they need laborers.

    Don't get me started on how they treat Koreans and Chinese. White kids are at least considered cool because of their light hair and English-speaking skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz View Post
    i hear what your saying, but the people seeking a free country to live dont particulary want to be locked up, thats inhumane! they are leaving a shitty countries rule for someone amazing like australia, some of them WANT to embrase aussie laws,politics and eduction for thie kids. they want to work, they want to be free. yet they get imprisioned for longed then some murders get. its just sad, and i assumed it stemmed for the typical aussie gov mentality of brushing minorities to the side in a semi racist way.
    I absolutely agree that it sucks! I just don't think it has anything to do with rascism.
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    I absolutely agree that it sucks! I just don't think it has anything to do with rascism.

    ah, ok, you win. cos io have absolutley NO idea on the topic tbh... just assumed it was all filed under the same thing. ima wikipedia-ing it now

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    I absolutely agree that it sucks! I just don't think it has anything to do with rascism.
    I agree. I think it ultimately boils down to stastistics. It sucks, but unless we have the time and funds to review each case individually...

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    For some reason I didn't think I would get this much feedback but I am glad I did. I have always wanted to go to Australia and I just wanted to know a little more about it from the people that live there. I think I would want to go to Sydney and I have no idea when I would go lol.
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