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    Hello all. Somehow in my internet meandering I ended up here at SW where I've been lurking for a few days. I just want to say that I think it's pretty cool that all of you have such a civilized place to kick back and relate experiences, advice, etc. I don't want to get anyone in any kind of trouble but am really curious as to whether most clubs are run by the mob aka the Italian mafia. Here in Chicago they are and I know some (if not all) in Vegas are. How about in other places?

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    No, of course not.

    On the west coast it's mostly Chinese Triad gangs. In the midwest it's the Hell's Angels, in TX/NM/AZ/SoCal it's the Banditos (or Cosa de Nosotros), and along much of the Eastern Seaboard it's actually the Russian Mob.

    Good thing you clarified by defining "the mob" as "the Italian Mafia"

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    John Doe, I think you watch too many gangster movies.

    If my club is run by anyone other than Larry Flynt, it is news to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Doe View Post
    Hello all. Somehow in my internet meandering I ended up here at SW where I've been lurking for a few days. I just want to say that I think it's pretty cool that all of you have such a civilized place to kick back and relate experiences, advice, etc. I don't want to get anyone in any kind of trouble but am really curious as to whether most clubs are run by the mob aka the Italian mafia. Here in Chicago they are and I know some (if not all) in Vegas are. How about in other places?
    Yeah, all of the clubs here in Chicago are run by the mob. Don't take everything you hear so literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    John Doe, I think you watch too many gangster movies.

    If my club is run by anyone other than Larry Flynt, it is news to me.
    my first thought to say to this post ws dude you watch way to much tv. lol

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    I'd tell you, but I prefer my wearing Lucite stilettos to cement waders.

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    at ^

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    Sounds like the Naive fairy has paid some of us a visit, or ya'll or all playing the plausible deniability card.

    lol, no cement waders for me either, but pls believe, the Italian mafia is NOT just on television, and is definately pretty active in the adult entertainment world.
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    Hi again and thanks for the replies. Unfortunately I really don't "know" any of you yet so it's hard for me to distinguish a sarcastic response from a straightforward one.

    Are you being sarcastic Susan?

    While I am certainly no expert on SCs or the Italian mafia, my impressions are not based on "watching too much TV". I can categorically tell you Venus that if your club is anywhere within 100 miles from Chicago that it is either run by the mob or pays the street taxes (aka "associated" or "mobbed up").

    As far as Larry Flynt in San Diego, that is an interesting issue since Larry is kind of a nemesis of the Italian mafia. San Diego and California in general have historically been heavily influenced by the Chicago mafia via the Las Vegas/Spilotro crew. If you doubt that none of this exists anymore then maybe you should look at this:

    BTW, thanks for having my back on this Jayda.

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    I doubt the mob owns many clubs. They don't own much of anything. Their presence is more at the level of extortion. That has been their most consistent money maker over the years.

    For instance, illegal gambling. The mob does not directly run many illegal gambling operations, but they do directly profit from it via what is extorted from bookies. What value is gained from this tribute? Protection from other bookies, thieves that may try to rip them off, police, and even protection from the guys that are being paid (they have a tendency to be a "little" violent when not getting their way).

    Are some club owners paying the mob for protection (primarily from police)? Definitely, but so are bookies, bar owners, restaraunt owners, labor unions, and many other types of businesses. Even businesses that most of society would proclaim to be honest can be mobbed up. These connections occur often becaue of financing that is acquired with the asistance of "the Mob". Even though they did not lend you the money. They facilitated the loan, therefore you will pay them for this service.

    The mobs influenced has taken a hit since the FBI started using the RICO statutes in the 1970's. They are not what they once were, but yes, they still exist and still have some influence in some areas of our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Doe View Post
    While I am certainly no expert on SCs or the Italian mafia, my impressions are not based on "watching too much TV". I can categorically tell you Venus that if your club is anywhere within 100 miles from Chicago that it is either run by the mob or pays the street taxes (aka "associated" or "mobbed up").
    If you can categorically tell us so much, why are you asking us?

    Out of curiosity, what brings you here to ask this kind of question? If you tell us what you really want to know, we will know better if we can help you.

    As for who owns the clubs - the vast majority of girls wouldn't even know. I have no idea who owns my club. The only reason I would care is because if he happens to be in, he PROBABLY doesn't want to buy a dance. We know who does the day to day running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJayda View Post
    Sounds like the Naive fairy has paid some of us a visit, or ya'll or all playing the plausible deniability card.

    lol, no cement waders for me either, but pls believe, the Italian mafia is NOT just on television, and is definately pretty active in the adult entertainment world.
    Ain't that the truth.

    Especially here in NJ. The Sopranos is NOT just a TV show here guys...it's a way of life.

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    Criz, While I don't disagree with a lot of what your saying, it is simply not true that "they don't own much of anything". The businesses you mention - gambling, bars, restaurants, SC's all have a common denominator...cash. SCs and the amount of cash they generate, not to mention the "stigma" preventing "legitimate" businesspeople from getting involved, make them a perfect target for organized crime.

    Historically, many "legitimate" businesses have been secretly owned and controlled by organized crime. Here in Chicago they still have a lot of political clout and control many of the unions not to mention ownership/influence in the major financial institutions like the Merc and Board.

    Jenny, if you read the OP my question was "what about other places?". I'm just curious as to how widespread the influence is. I know that here in Chicago, with the exception of SCs and otherwise minor street level operations, the Italian mafia has pretty much disappeared (ie. gone legit, through political connections or otherwise). The last part of your response was (kind of) what I was looking for. Again, I'm just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJayda View Post
    Sounds like the Naive fairy has paid some of us a visit, or ya'll or all playing the plausible deniability card.

    lol, no cement waders for me either, but pls believe, the Italian mafia is NOT just on television, and is definately pretty active in the adult entertainment world.
    This is absolutely the ugly truth.

    Girls, why do you think it is that so many club owners are so "oh well" when it comes to some of the illegal goings on regarding their operations, and by illegal I'm talking about everything from extras being allowed to go on, to the drug dealing, to credit card charges being padded, to the not exactly compliant with the labor law situation regarding whether you're employees or independent contractors. Its because these sort of things are too often the least of your club owner's problems should the authorities want to rake them over the coals.

    Put it this way. In elementary school math, 2+2=4, in strip club math 2+2=22.
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    You know, as an Italian Princess, I find it really offensive that everybody thinks all Italians are fucking in the mafia. What is that? And, to the OP, the "mafia" is Sicilian, not Italian anyway!!
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    I certainly don't think all Italians are Mafia. Just as not all Germans were Nazi's, and not all Muslims are terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post

    Put it this way. In elementary school math, 2+2=4, in strip club math 2+2=22.
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    Not so much anymore. Maybe 30 years ago.... Now it's every man for themselves, literally. Anyone, and unfortunately everyone can own a club and does anymore. In my area, a few are owned by the Turkish, and some by bikers, and some by sleazy yuppies. The Famiglia isn't as strong as it used to be.
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    John Doe...I am not saying they have never owned anything. I think a better way to put it is that the Mob is nothing more than a Gang of THIEVES. It is about the cash. They are not normally in the business of owning "businesses". They are in the business of owning people.

    Even when the casinos were built in Vegas. With a few exceptions, the Mob did not own them. They provided the owners with access to the funds to build the casinos via the Teamsters Pension Fund (this was primarily controlled by the Chicago Outfit). For this service the Mob was paid by given access to certain areas of the casino. This allowed them to pull their "fee" off the top. They really did not care how profitable the business was as an owner would. They just wanted to ensure they got thier cut. If they got their cut and the casino lost money. It was not their problem or concern.

    Contrary to what the movies depict. This is how they really operate. Ownership would require responsibility and work. They just want cash. There are a few exceptions to this, but in general this is what they are. Nothing more than common thieves and thugs.

    If we take this back to the original topic. They probably have never owned many strip clubs, although I am sure they have received tribute from many of them in their time. Usually guys that own clubs and say they are in the Mob are nothing more than expendable sources of cash for the real Mobsters. They like the "status" of saying they are connected, but in reality it is talk. They have no power in that world. They are ATMs and errand boys. Nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crizgolfer View Post
    I certainly don't think all Italians are Mafia. Just as not all Germans were Nazi's, and not all Muslims are terrorists.

    omg.. they AREN'T??!! whoaaa... news to me...


    and vegas princess, i dont think anyone suggested that all italians are Mafioso.. think you might be projecting a tad?

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    Chrissy...I am certain they aren't...after all..I read it on the internet...so it must be true...

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    Chrissy, I may be projecting a tad lol. I am very Italian, my parents are immigrants, and the first question a LOT of people ask me is, "Are you guys in the mafia?" and it is so annoying that I hate ALL mafia references in general and tend to get pissed off when anyone even brings up the word mafia. Although I do love The Sopranos, so maybe I am a hypocrite...
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    I find it really offensive that everybody thinks all Italians are fucking in the mafia.

    You know, what Italians do in the mafia is their own business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasPrincess View Post
    You know, as an Italian Princess, I find it really offensive that everybody thinks all Italians are fucking in the mafia.
    My apologies Princess, I didn't mean to upset you. One of my best friends is Italian descended from Sicily who also happens to come from a somewhat notorious crime family...and he is not in the mafia.

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    Criz, You are either misinformed or do not understand the relationship between organized crime and the "front man". It is ridiculous to say that the mob did not own casinos in Las Vegas. Bugsy Siegel and monies from the Cleveland/Chicago mafia are what built the Flamingo in the 40's. It is debatable but this was the beginning of the new "Las Vegas". Eventually the Sands, Sahara, Riviera, Stardust, Caesar's, Tropicana, Circus-Circus, Aladdin, Fremont and others were all built/owned by the mob...some of it with their own money and some, as you pointed out, with Teamster money.

    It was only in the mid-60's when Howard Hughes started buying up casinos that other corporations began investing and mob lost ownership control of many. Even still, mob control of the Stardust and a few others remained until the mid-80's.

    Further, SCs like the Crazy Horse Too were built with mob money and owned by mafioso. They are STILL owned by mafioso (at least the one in Vegas and one in Chicago are). To say they are not is to say that Allen Glick owned the Stardust. If you doubt what I'm saying, please click the link that I posted above and read about what's going on with The Crazy Horse Too - Vegas right now, as we speak. Or better yet, read this:

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