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    Based on an actual trial:

    A lawyer is defending a man for murder and is delivering his summation to the jury: " Ladies & gentlemen. The prosecution MUST show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. There were no eye-witnesses to this supposed murder. There was no weapon recovered. The body of Jesse Sample was never recovered.The only reason my client is on trial is because he was last person seen with the supposed victim and they had argued in the past. Only one witness; Mary Dupont; who admitted she broke off her engagement to my client so she could marry
    Mr. Sample ; a woman of doubtful virtue as she herself admitted; claimed that she heard my client threaten the life of the alleged deceased.

    Well, ever since my client retained me I have have spent hours looking for Mr.Sample and I can tell you today; my investigators have found him and have brought him to this courthouse and will be bringing him through that door; RIGHT NOW ! ".

    All eyes of the jury, the judge, the prosecutor and the audience turned and stared at the door of the courtroom. After a long dramatic pause the defense attorney spoke again:

    " I admit I just played a trick on you. We haven't found Jesse Sample and we don't know where he is. But ALL of you looked at that door expecting and waiting for him to walk right in. THAT ! ladies and gentlemen is 'reasonable doubt'. It's just as possible Jesse Sample is still alive as that he was murdered. And it's precisely why you must aquit my client. Thank you. "

    After the prosecutor half-heartedly summed up and the judge instructed the jury with extra emphasis on "reasonable doubt" the jury went to deliberate. Everyone expected an aquittal.The defendant hugged and thanked his attorney. The prosecutor slumped in his seat. After less than an hour the jury came back and pronounced their verdict : "Guilty of Murder".

    The verdict was correct. The defendant had murdered the victim and disposed of the body so that it was never found. How did they know ?

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    I'm guessing the defendant didn't turn around.

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    Default Re: Brainteasers Round 3

    I agree everyone turned to look except the defendant

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    You both got it. Supposedly the first vote by the jury was 11 to 1 to acquit. When the lone holdout for conviction was asked why- she said she watched the defendant while everyone else was looking at the door and he never turned around. The next vote was 12-0 for conviction.

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    Wow, they must have all REALLY trusted that jury member's recollection.

    It's a bit crap, because the defendant's lawyer would obviously have told the defendent about his little ploy...so why would the defendant turn around?

    Are you sure it's a real case?

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    The story may be apocryphal. I was told it was based on an actual case and to illustrate how courtroom theatrics can backfire- SEE : cross-examined-thoughts.blogspot.com/2007/01/theatrics-in-courtrooms-can-backfire.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    The story may be apocryphal.
    They all are.

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    Lunchbox- How do YOU know ? Ever read the PALSGRAF case ?

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    Boston Legal's latest episode.
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    Isolabella- Boston Legal did it ; Homicide- Life on the Street and Perry Mason.
    It's an old T.V. trick but many "courtroom" dramas "borrow" from actual cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Lunchbox- How do YOU know ? Ever read the PALSGRAF case ?
    If a riddle like this were told under the context of hypothetical, there would be a million valid answers. By stating this really happened, you narrow the valid answers to just one.

    What is the relevance of Palsgraf?

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    "Palsgraf" had a STRANGE fact pattern to put it mildly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    "Palsgraf" had a STRANGE fact pattern to put it mildly.
    What was so strange about it, and what is the relevance to telling a story as if it were true?

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    luchbox- You've worn me out. O.K. The story was made up for all I know. Who cares ? It was a "brainteser" for Pete's sake !

    Ever READ the "PALSGRAF" case ? If you had you'd see that how the underlying accident supposedly happened ( a man running to catch a L.I.R.R. train dropped a box of fireworks which then exploded all by itself causing a LARGE heavy luggage scale to topple over onto Mrs. Palsgraf ? ) Yep. Just one of those ordinary everyday type occurrences. Plus, there was evidence Mrs. P pulled the scale down on herself !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    luchbox- You've worn me out. O.K. The story was made up for all I know. Who cares ? It was a "brainteser" for Pete's sake !
    I don't care, but you question me, I answer.
    Ever READ the "PALSGRAF" case ? If you had you'd see that how the underlying accident supposedly happened ( a man running to catch a L.I.R.R. train dropped a box of fireworks which then exploded all by itself causing a LARGE heavy luggage scale to topple over onto Mrs. Palsgraf ? ) Yep. Just one of those ordinary everyday type occurrences. Plus, there was evidence Mrs. P pulled the scale down on herself !
    I actually did take the time to look it up. Even though your summary is a bit lacking, it still doesn't answer my question of WHAT THE FUCK IS THE RELEVANCE TO THIS THREAD?

    1) There were no courtroom antics.
    2) It's not even a criminal case.
    3) There is no apocryphal story/riddle stemming from it.

    It was a landmark tort case that helped define liability.

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    A race car is doing 2 laps around a 1 mile circle track. If the driver goes 30 mph on the first lap, how fast does he have to go on the second lap to average 1 minute per lap?

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    First lap already took 2 minutes...can't be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    You both got it. Supposedly the first vote by the jury was 11 to 1 to acquit. When the lone holdout for conviction was asked why- she said she watched the defendant while everyone else was looking at the door and he never turned around. The next vote was 12-0 for conviction.
    In a way it's like the Henry Fonda classic movie, "Twelve Angry Men." Except he had some doubt all along, not just at the last minute. But he eventally, after much discussion and anger I guess, did turn them all around.
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