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    In my club there is a big nightly ordeal about who goes onstage last.

    We close at 4 AM, but if the dancer doesn't have to go onstage after 3:30, she can leave then. They start bugging me to see who's last about 2:30.

    If they are last, they really get mad sometimes. I have tried explaining patiently a zillion times that there is no way I could plan it out at the beginning of thenight when I make the rotation list, to make sure they are last. If it happens a few times within a short period, some will really get mad, and accuse me of making them go last every time.

    There's roughly 160 songs a night, so theoretically I could just divide the number of dancers by that and know who's last. But then they will let a certain number of dancers leave at 2:30 if they pay extra, and also you never have any idea who is going to Champagne Room (and getting skipped), how long they will stay, etc.

    Songs are supposed to be 3 minutes, but if there's a problem of some sort they can go over, and if the Private Dance room is full, we cut them shorter--depending on how full it is they could be really short. Plus we never know when we are going to go to two dancers onstage, which means a new dancer every song, as opposed to every two songs. Then there are different numbers of dancers every night.

    There are so many variables, it is scientifically impossible to know who will be last until about an hour before the end.

    So last night this one dancer comes to the booth, after seeing she and her ride/roommate dancers (they insist on being put together) are close to last onstage. She's going on and on about how since they almost always go first, they always have to go up last. They are the first ones there, and the first ones ready, so naturally I tend to put them first.

    I'm trying to explain to this woman that it is scientifically impossible to have it always turn out that way, and she is adamantly insisting that it always does.

    "I know it's true! We work more than you do! I know! We get fucked every time!""

    "How many years have you been dancing?"

    "I've worked in Miami and Atlanta!"

    How many years have you been dancing?"

    "Five years."

    "I've been doing this eight years, and I'm telling you there's no way I can plan it ahead like that."

    "NO! It happens EVERY time!"

    Finally I just said I didn't want to argue about it, that I liked her so we should just drop it. Then I got another dancer to agree to go up last, an extremely attractive and spirited girl who loves to dance anyway, and looks really good onstage.

    So I went tothe dressing room and told her she didn't have to go up.

    "It doesn't matter! Binky's my ride and she still has to go up!" (name changed to protect the innocent).

    I give up, lol...
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    Love how that works eh? LoL

    God I love how we all have show times here... makes life so simple! I know if I have last show Sat night on Monday

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    Yeah, that is cool. One of many perks you get as a feature dancer. But of course you deserve it.

    I can sympathise with these women, actually--I want to get the hell out of there some nights myself, lol! But some of them really feel genuinely persecuted when it happens. And they all come up and want to know who's last when I have a bunch of more important things to worry about than calculating what's going to happen in an hour.

    What's funny is when it's a dancer I might rather just skip or send home anyway, but I don't have that choice.
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    LoL I remember I used to yell at the DJ every night when he made me last girl...

    I feel bad now because I know its not the DJs fault.. but when I first started it just felt like some conspiracy!!!

    But remember everything that goes wrong in the dancers night is the DJs fault

    And its not just the features that know.. its a west coast Canada thing.... all stage dancers are given a schedule on Monday morning of their show times for the week. Its brilliant!!

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    Haha! Even you...

    In your case, maybe the DJ's did want you last.

    I actually prefer to end the night with one of the best dancers there, it sends the guys out the door with a great image of the club.

    Come to think of it, I might start trying to get the better looking ones who really like the stage to be last (voluntarily, of course), just to defuse the problem to some extent.
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    Buddy I was one of the worse dancers then! LoL!!

    When I first started the staff used to takes bets on how far into my set I would go before I face planted cuz I used to fall every time! LoL

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    Yeah, you look like you are going to fall right on your ass in that one picture (joke).
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    ^^ LoL already did that this week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cally View Post
    Buddy I was one of the worse dancers then! LoL!!

    When I first started the staff used to takes bets on how far into my set I would go before I face planted cuz I used to fall every time! LoL
    But that's what makes you so endearing!

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    My club works like this:

    The earlier you arrive the early you get taken off tables and u can leave.
    So if you get there at 7pm when we open at 8 (one hour getting ready time) you will generally get signed off tables at about 330 unless it's a really busy night then it might be a bit later.

    The other week a heap of girls some how got to leave early through whinging or whatever and I had arrived at 7pm and didn't get signed off tables til 6am! well I was one very unhappy girl by that time.

    However I did not say a word to our MC as I blamed the other girls who make up bullshit excuses to leave rather than him who is stuck with the task of organising the rotations.

    So yes I hear ya Djoser!

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    I used to bitch about going on stage first every night until the dj said to me...hun, we put you up first because your our best girl. Your always the first to arrive and be ready, and your our hottest dancer. We want to start the night of with you because it sets a good tone for the rest of the night.
    I never bitched again. Flattery can go a long way. So yeah...it could help to diffuse the problem if you put up yoru best dancers last and let them know that yrou doing it because they are the best, and you want the guys to leave the club with a good feeling.

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    Oh yeah, I have tried the 'truthful flattery' approach, if they deserve it--but so often they don't care much, they just want to go home. They do tend to smile when I tell them that, though.

    If it's the right dancer(s), I'll say 'ending the night in style', and 'If you're lucky, and you come back tomorrow, she might be here...', etc., etc. And I only say stuff like that if I mean it. But thus far, they haven't been fighting for that honor, lol.

    Letting them leave at 3:30 might be the problem, it's a nice thing to do but creates the situation, or makes it much worse than it would be.

    But going and asking one of the better dancers who likes being onstage to end the night is something I hadn't tried at this club until the other night. It's usually too hectic here to mess with stuff like that--but I'm going to keep doing it. What's funny is, our club is great for stage tipping. On a busy night the dancers will rake it in, often especially on the last songs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Songs are supposed to be 3 minutes, but if there's a problem of some sort they can go over, and if the Private Dance room is full, we cut them shorter--depending on how full it is they could be really short.
    That sucks. In that case it's the customers who get fucked.

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    Well, it has to be done whether I want to or not, I am required to do it or I will get fired. Not only that, the dancers want shorter songs, they love it. I have to keep them happy.

    There are times when the private dance room is so crowded that there are people waiting to get in. They don't care about short songs, they want to get in there.
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    Letting them leave at 3:30 might be the problem, it's a nice thing to do but creates the situation, or makes it much worse than it would be.
    Of course that's the problem!

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    Yes, it is.

    I have never had anywhere near the trouble with dancers being mad they were last onstage, at any other club. Nor have they started hanging around the booth like vultures an hour and a half before closing, refusing to leave until I tell them if they are last or not, or if they will be able to leave early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Well, it has to be done whether I want to or not, I am required to do it or I will get fired. Not only that, the dancers want shorter songs, they love it. I have to keep them happy.

    There are times when the private dance room is so crowded that there are people waiting to get in. They don't care about short songs, they want to get in there.
    For all you dancers who complain about the clubs being slow; you can, in large part, blame the fact that this type of mindset is so common among owners, managers, DJs, and dancers. Don't worry about giving the customer his money's worth. Just grab him by the ankles, hold him upside down, and shake vigorously to get the money out of his pockets as quickly as possible. Hey, it's a strip club! Who needs integrity?

    I'm not coming down on you personally, Djoser. You've got your orders, but it still sucks.

    And THIS customer DOES care about song length. Customers care about song length, just as dancers do. Try announcing (real time) that you are shortening the songs due to the crowded private dance room conditions, and see if the customers care. I time some songs on pretty much all my strip club visits, and it's a factor on where I choose to do my business. That's one reason why I'm such a fan of the Deja Vu clubs around here (SoCal). The dances are machine-timed, consistent in length, and I don't have to worry about being fucked over by a DJ.

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    How is having to work until the NORMAL closing time "getting fucked"?? Sounds to me like these bitches need to grow the hell up. If closing time is 4am, plan to work until 4am. DUH! Leaving early is NOT to be expected. Sometimes I get stuck on stage last and have to dance to "New York" by Frank Sinatra - that's ALWAYS our last song of the night and about the worst fucking song to dance to. And then with all the checkout crap it takes at least a half hour to get out the door. So tell those whiny little bitches they're lucky - it could be worse

    I can't stand whiny little bitches like that. Tell them to get it through their heads that the fucking shift ends at closing time and leaving early is basically a special treat we get to indulge in *sometimes*. Or just tell them "hey I get fucked EVERY time, I NEVER get to leave early" and then ignore them. You can't please these bitches unless you switch rotation every night just for them, and then you'll have to deal with OTHER girls whining about it, so better to smile ever-so-nicely as you tell them to STFU

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    Quote Originally Posted by LapOfLuxury View Post
    That's one reason why I'm such a fan of the Deja Vu clubs around here (SoCal). The dances are machine-timed, consistent in length, and I don't have to worry about being fucked over by a DJ.
    Yeah, because god forbid you don't get that CRUCIAL 10 seconds of dance time
    Fortunately, the vast majority of strip club customers are NOT regulars and NOT such whiny, pissy little turds as to sit and time the fucking songs at a strip club to determine which club most "deserves" their $20. Fortunately, most guys just want some naked T&A on their laps for a little while and don't get caught up with which club gives them that ever-so-crucial 10 extra seconds to make sure they got their "money's worth"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I have never had anywhere near the trouble with dancers being mad they were last onstage, at any other club. Nor have they started hanging around the booth like vultures an hour and a half before closing, refusing to leave until I tell them if they are last or not, or if they will be able to leave early.
    ....sounds like a job for SuperNanny. Maybe put a list of names on the wall for them to see and every time someone ask's, put a mark next to their name. Then tell them who ever has the most marks will probably be last.
    "Peter, did you take Stewie to a strip-club? He smells like sweat and fear." - Lois and Stewie (Family Guy) ... "Through early morning fog I see, Visions of the things to be, The pains that are withheld for me, I realize and I can see..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Yeah, because god forbid you don't get that CRUCIAL 10 seconds of dance time
    Fortunately, the vast majority of strip club customers are NOT regulars and NOT such whiny, pissy little turds as to sit and time the fucking songs at a strip club to determine which club most "deserves" their $20. Fortunately, most guys just want some naked T&A on their laps for a little while and don't get caught up with which club gives them that ever-so-crucial 10 extra seconds to make sure they got their "money's worth"
    Well, I'll just say that the difference is often a LOT more than 10 seconds. And it may be $20 or so a song, but it adds up (too quickly).

    And I'll add that you're a dancer that has whined on this site about DJs running songs too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LapOfLuxury View Post
    That's one reason why I'm such a fan of the Deja Vu clubs around here (SoCal). The dances are machine-timed, consistent in length, and I don't have to worry about being fucked over by a DJ.
    Don't take this personally, but the Deja Vu chain is renowned for ripping the dancers who work for them. It's all legal, all part of their corporate policy, but they probably get a higher percentage of the dancers' earnings than any other stripclubs out there--about 33% or more. I had an ex who hated them so much she actually went to a club where she made less money, just to get away from their incessant 2-4-1's and corporate bullshit.

    The last thing I want to do is fuck over the customers getting dances, trust me. But we do this because when it is slamming in the club the demand is so strong for dances, and there are people waiting to get in there.

    The club is extremely busy, an average night there is like a seasonal event was in Daytona, and these guys aren't complaining, they're buying more dances. On those rare nights it's slow, or during a merely average night, all the songs are 3 minutes, which is industry standard.


    The whiney aspect of the dancers wanting to leave early hasn't escaped me, lol. And it's funny how often the ones who bitch the most about having to go onstage are the ones I'd really rather just let go home instead, or maybe leave 4 hours early, lol!

    One time when a dancer came up to the booth and started going off about how she was always last, every time I went into the dressing room a little later and yelled at her, with the list in my hand--"Do you really it works so I can sit there at the beginning of the night and plan who's going to be last? It doesn't, I can't, and I won't!" Remember I told you about that, B? She was mad for a while but came to see me before she left, we talked about it more--and we are pretty close now. I'm glad, because she's actually one of the better dancers there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    How is having to work until the NORMAL closing time "getting fucked"?? Sounds to me like these bitches need to grow the hell up. If closing time is 4am, plan to work until 4am. DUH! Leaving early is NOT to be expected.

    Or just tell them "hey I get fucked EVERY time, I NEVER get to leave early" and then ignore them.
    Well thanks to the policy, and the resulting, ever-present possibilty that they might be able to leave 30 minutes early, they do expect it. I have tried telling them I have to stay until 4 AM, regardless, so they shouldn't feel bad--but this goes over like a lead balloon.

    I can't ignore them, they are hanging around asking me over and over, the entire last hour of the night, lol! "Do you know who's last yet? Do I have to go up again??"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Sometimes I get stuck on stage last and have to dance to "New York" by Frank Sinatra - that's ALWAYS our last song of the night and about the worst fucking song to dance to.
    Oh god, that would suck. One club I used to go to after work would play "When I was 17" by Frank, every night at 6 AM. I wanted to come up with a parody of it so bad, and still do...
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    Arooo.. I used to dance to New York New York by choice.... o.o;


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