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    Default Who Suppresses Female Sexuality?

    I think we can all agree that openly sexual women catch hell in most societies--some more than others.

    Up-and-down looks, catcalls, accusations of being "slut" or "whore," social ostracism, sexual harrassment, rape, "honor" killings....the list is long of the troubles a woman can see if she is perceived as being promiscuous or even just somehow "too sexy." I've read that in Victorian times, a woman who was caught masturbating could be subjected to "cures" for "nymphomania" ranging from the benign (cool baths and bland foods) to the horrific (clitoridectomy).

    But my question is, Who is primarily responsible for the suppression of female sexuality? Women? Men? Both?

    Intuitively, what do you guys think?
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    I think men most likely designed it, and women have enforced it. Through fear or comfort or just because we were raised that way, who knows? But it's no secret that women have the most to fear from other women, especially in the way of repression. And I believe it's always been that way, at least in our culture.

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    I def think that repressed women are most to blame...they put their own insecurities and inadequacies onto other women. Men have their own issues...but I know more women will cry "whore" to another girl then men will.

    Fuck em...I bought a cool pair of boyshorts at Hustler last night..black with WHORE in bold white letters across the ass! I embrace my whore-ness thank you. At least I have fun!!!
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    Default Re: Who Suppresses Female Sexuality?

    Another follow-up question:

    If men (or "the patriarchy") are primarily responsible, what is the motive behind the suppression? Like, why would they have "designed it" that way, Yek?

    If women are responsible, what is the motive?

    Try to think cross-culturally here, as well as within the culture you know best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    I def think that repressed women are most to blame...they put their own insecurities and inadequacies onto other women. Men have their own issues...but I know more women will cry "whore" to another girl then men will.

    Fuck em...I bought a cool pair of boyshorts at Hustler last night..black with WHORE in bold white letters across the ass! I embrace my whore-ness thank you. At least I have fun!!!
    I agree with this ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    I embrace my whore-ness thank you. At least I have fun!!!
    Hehe. I like that in a woman.
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    The game.

    Woman suppress what challenges the stability of that they are seeking to achieve.

    Man do it too.

    Men hate admitting they cry, or have feelings, or cook with teddy bears because they think that the overly sexual woman who commands quality would look elsewhere.

    So we chop wood.
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    an overly sexual woman would have to work twice as hard to achieve the stable man that would be normally challenged by that sort of thing.

    So we have tons of dates until he's comfortable with it... you know, if he hasn't started hitting her by then.

    It's a vicious cycle, and it's circular starting and ending with both sexes and what challenges the greater majority's opinion.
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    No one suppresses my sexuality.

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    Parents.

    Sex is currency, and a young, fertile female has a lot of value. No parent wants to give away something valuable for free. They especially don't want additional monetary burdens in the form of bastard grandchildren.

    The monetary value of female sexuality is what drives the sex industry(prostitution, porn, strip clubs).

    Like most things in life, this can be traced back to one thing.

    Money!

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    If you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint.....women were meant to be choosy and monogamous...men were not. Women can only procreate once every 9 months at MOST...so they had to be extremely choosy about who they bred with. Men onthe other hand spread their seed as much as possible to ensure a higher percentage of healthy viable children.
    So....a woman who is sexually free would be seen as not doing all she can to progress the human species and would be looked down upon.

    Some people still think this way.Some people hold the same values..though their reasoning may have changed(usually to a religious definaition of "morality")

    therefore..those of us who have sex for fun and not procreation are "whores"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sc0101 View Post
    No one suppresses my sexuality.
    That's pretty much all I have to say about this, too...

    But I am enjoying the other responses!

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    Great thread Nicolina. I love this topic. And although I have some beliefs in the matter, I'm not in the mood to diatribe (is that even a verb). But its definately social control based on value ($$$, barter, etc) and evolutionary biology. I look forward to reading the responses....

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    This is a HUGE question and cannot be answered briefly in this format, but, in as much of a nutshell as is possible....

    Societal morality, through religion, is usually how sexuality in general is suppressed. Men and women are BOTH responsible, although to what degree is debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    If you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint.....women were meant to be choosy and monogamous...men were not.
    Women are more choosy but are NOT monogamous by nature. Both men and women have reproductive incentive to have multiple partners.

    Did you know that most sperm is designed to fight other sperm? Maybe 1% of sperm are the 'Elite Swimming Egg Getters'. This is just some of the proof that women naturally seek multiple partners and let their tiny minions fight it out.

    There is a good book on this area of research titled "Sperm Wars".

    http://www.amazon.com/Sperm-Wars-Sci.../dp/0788160044

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina View Post
    Another follow-up question:

    If men (or "the patriarchy") are primarily responsible, what is the motive behind the suppression? Like, why would they have "designed it" that way, Yek?

    If women are responsible, what is the motive?

    Try to think cross-culturally here, as well as within the culture you know best.
    I'd have to say it is a combination of both men and women working together to repress the sexuality of women. In modern culture it probably began with the Apostle Paul. He was definitely a Misogynist and probably was the basis of the creation of the modern definition of the word.

    When women were considered chattel, they were repressed for economic reasons by their parents. Being as there was only one sure way to be positive of the father of a child was if the woman hadn't been with any other man, a virgin was valuable to the family. A beautiful and pure daughter can be a financial boon to a middle class or poor family. Those women suppressed their sexual urges as means of survival, much like super models suppress their urge to eat, today.

    The suppression of sexual urges in both genders has been a power play by the religious elite for millenniums. Through sexual scandal religious leader can make a play for additional power over kings and emperors. Not to mention the working classes that really had no choice in the matter.

    There is a great deal of power in shame. Once one person learns that by shaming another publicly generates more power for the "whistle blower" and that person commands more respect and fear from others. The reason why women received the brunt of the punishment was because they had no social power, and there fore were blamed for their own rapes as having "asked for it".

    Hell, the whole dark ages witch hunts were based on women casting "enchantments" on men and executed because of it. An "enchantment" could have been as simple as a man feeling aroused when he was around a women and then desiring to masturbate or have sex because she "enchanted" him. And everyone knew from the bible that masturbation was an evil act and an abomination to God, so therefor the women must have been witches. Thanks, Paul, for that one!


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    I'm not sure that a question like this CAN be answered cross culturally in any useful way. Like yes, we can determine that largely it is related, in some way on some historical level to pregnancy, but that seems almost facile in its obviousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    If you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint.....women were meant to be choosy and monogamous...men were not. Women can only procreate once every 9 months at MOST...so they had to be extremely choosy about who they bred with. Men onthe other hand spread their seed as much as possible to ensure a higher percentage of healthy viable children.
    So....a woman who is sexually free would be seen as not doing all she can to progress the human species and would be looked down upon.
    You might find it interesting to know that men have "soldier sperm". These little swimmer's only function is to kill the sperm of another male when encountered inside the female body. They are kind of like offensive linemen making sure the running back can make the touchdown.

    One has to assume that promiscuity was an evolutionary behavior to assist in the strongest possible specimen would succeed in that kind of environment. From an evolutionary stand point, it seems that girls like to have fun, too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorn View Post
    Women are more choosy but are NOT monogamous by nature. Both men and women have reproductive incentive to have multiple partners.
    You are right..this was not the way I meant it to come out.Not mating for life by any means(dear lord i would die if I had to be monogomous for life!) By monogomous,I meant ideally one mate per cycle. So that you ensure that the sperm of your best choice gets through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skorn View Post
    Women are more choosy but are NOT monogamous by nature. Both men and women have reproductive incentive to have multiple partners.

    Did you know that most sperm is designed to fight other sperm? Maybe 1% of sperm are the 'Elite Swimming Egg Getters'. This is just some of the proof that women naturally seek multiple partners and let their tiny minions fight it out.

    There is a good book on this area of research titled "Sperm Wars".

    http://www.amazon.com/Sperm-Wars-Sci.../dp/0788160044
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    Female promiscuity isn't rare in the animal kingdom, but multiple partners (polyandry) for females is.

    There are many biological reasons for 'promiscuity'...usually it's to make sure that she has the maximum chance of producing offspring that season. It's also to ensure that she gets the best genes possible for her offspring...if she has the sperm of 3 men swimming around inside her, chances are the sperm from the healthiest man will survive to produce her offspring.

    The reason that multiple partnering for females is rare isn't because females choose not to- it's because there is little to no benefit for the males, and a high cost (less chance to produce offspring).

    So on a biological level, taking the majority of mammals into account, I'd say it's the men who supress the females by proxy. By being promiscuous a female mammal lowers her chances of having a stable male parent-figure for her offspring (which matters in nature as the males often provide the food and defend against predators and intruders), and therefore lowers the likelihood of her offspring surviving. If the male doesn't have good odds of the child being his, he's not going to stick around, basically.

    Whether this carries over and applies to humans I don't know...I don't study humans

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    Every one of the major religions seems to do a pretty good job of it too.

    ...it a multiculturalism debate in class we were discussing one woman who said that if we are to only support cultures that encourage the liberal rights and freedoms of their people, than ultimately there are no cultures that meet that task at some fundamental level...blah blah, I'm a little tired to rehash, but she made a really good argument.

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    I think it started with men and women perpetuate it.
    A woman's sexuality is her power. Men were intimidated by that, so they demoted women to property. Don'cha just love enlightenment?

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    a woman's sexuality is hardly her sole source of power. it is in fact that kind of viewpoint that suppresses female sexuality more than any pleas for chastity. at least in pleading for chastity, there is a presumption that women have more to offer than their sexuality and should in fact develop other aspects of themselves instead of relying solely on their sexuality.

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    ^^ nice point. By reducing women to solely sexual beings and seeing their sexuality as their most important characteristic it's easier to deny them any meaningful position in society. The suppression of women's sexuality is usually linked with the oppression of women, period.

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