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    Default how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    Just wondering. How did you know when it was time to leave your first club...or any club after that...in search of something better?

    I'm not sure if it's the time of year, or the club, or my attitude that's responsible for the ridiculously bad money I've been making lately. The club definitely isn't helping; they've got outrageous "specials" practically every day and night of the week, offering two-for-one deals out the ass (aka a welcome mat for all the losers who just have to haggle and "get the most for their $20"), $2 drink night (so all the cheap bastards can come out and get drunk for less than $10 and spend NO money on dances..great, just great), etc. Literally every shift, there's some kind of "special" going on that always ends up working out really well for the cheap bastards, and not so well for the dancers. The whole "devaluing the product" thing is definitely going on here. Every fucking day of the week. I see it happening, custies are getting used to never having to pay full price for anything.

    Plus, the GM recently "cleaned out" the music selection, and got rid of literally all of my favorite Latin dance songs...just because he personally doesn't like Spanish music. I can deal with that; that by itself isn't a good enough reason for me to leave a club...but on top of how dead it's been lately, and how bad the money's been...it's getting to me.

    Then again, maybe it's the season. I've never experienced a winter in an SC, since I started dancing last June, but everyone claims winter's the worst time. Maybe it'll pick up.

    Maybe it's me, too, at least to some extent. Slacking off, giving up too easily, reverting back to the newbie-esque nervousness, visible lack of confidence and terrible sales pitches that I thought I'd left behind for good last summer. It's a vicious cycle--terrible money nights shoot my confidence, and when custies pick up on the lack of confidence, they take advantage of me, give me a hard time and don't spend much...lather, rinse, repeat. Maybe I just need to brush up on my sales techniques, body language signals, etc.

    I'm reluctant to leave my club though, because a) I guess I kind of have a silly attachment to it since it was my first real club (I danced in Italy while on winter break two years ago, but that was just on a whim for a month, and doesn't count as my "first club" IMHO)

    ...b) I live in a very blue-collar city with only one other decent option. If I leave my club and end up hating the other one, I'd have to drive *two hours* to the next city. yikes. (I could try to work both clubs at the same time, but the other club doesn't allow dancers to work anywhere else...and in the same relatively-small city, it'd be easy for them to find out.)

    ...and c) my current club is very clean and safe--cameras, attentive bouncers, no unwanted police attention, and absolutely minimal extras. That does count for a lot in my book.

    Anyway...what would you do if you were me? And what were your "signals" that it was time to move on to another club?

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    welllll.. i disagree that there's only one other option. ive worked at 5 clubs, and one was just gross, yes, but other than that, i consider them all options. i wouldnt work at your club again bc i dont deal with that bs, but if i desperately needed a place, i could deal with it for a short time.

    imo, you liked it there. plus, arent you getting a new gm? or did that already happen and thats causing the problems? i say stick it out til the new manager comes and see how things go, but you could always try the other club that you consider your other option!

    but in response to your question, i change clubs when i find myself either not making money anymore, dreading going to work for a period of time (not just a day or two), hating being there for a period of time, or socializing/hanging out/partying more than working. as for the time of the year, i see it picking up. baseball is about to start and it will pick up a lot!

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    What about working at your current club and maybe putting in 1 night a week at a club in the next city? Do it for a couple months and it'll give you a chance to see if your club is really the problem, or if it's just bad all over (which I suspect).

    Brushing up on your hustling/flirting/body language skills is NEVER a bad idea, however.

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    ha! stalker! how did you know about the new GM? No, we haven't gotten him yet...maybe it would be good to stick it out and see what he's like. Maybe he'll let my favorite DJ put most of my Latin songs back in the system where they belong. Maybe he'll do away with the incessant specials and out-the-ass 2-4-1's. Or maybe he'll be an unholy terror....in which case I'll make like a ninja to your former club before all the rest of the girls here start going there in droves.

    Good point. I guess I will stick it out and see what happens. I do recall last summer being amazing...

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    tianna is one of my good friends! we go to school together hehe, plus, word gets around, baltimore isn't a big city...

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    hmmm...well for me too, there isnt much options for clubs either! so i was really "worried" to leave my club..cuz i was making decent/good money but the mangment SUCKED n they made u work like a fucking DOG. so i was pissed.

    but since u cant really work at two clubs at the same time..maybe u can jus quit yer currnent club, n try it out. or maybe check out the club, talk to some of the girls there....see how well they do, n see if its yer kinda club. i mean, u can always go back to ur current club, cant you?

    but yeah i know what u mean by lack of confidence...guys can tell, usually. when i feel ugly n jus too lazy, i dont get much business. however if im feeling fucking sexy n have a ready for antyhing attutidude - theyre all over me! ha (not litteraly haha)

    so maybe try to work on yer attitude? i know its hard on a depressing night...but jus try to act happy/confident. even if ur faking it. act like those guys should be THANKFUL ur even letting them spend money on YOU. hehe.

    but ya so maybe u can tell ur current club u need a vacation..n then work in the club 2 hrs away until maybe yer clubs business is better?

    ah i dont know. just trying to help! hope u figure it out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    tianna is one of my good friends! we go to school together hehe, plus, word gets around, baltimore isn't a big city...
    oh! haha. Tianna is awesome. And, yep, small world--so many girls here go to school there. (Including me before I decided to drop out and try to make a run for Australia )

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    You'll know when it's time to go. for me..every time I got to the point where I foudn myself using every lame excuse possible to not go to work...or I felt sick at the thought of having to go in...it was time to change clubs.
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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    you might miss it, but it doesnt mean it isnt for the best. i know i miss parts of your club, just because it was my first club to waitress in. i had only been to a sc like once before that! a huge group of people from your club came to mine a few weeks ago for someones bday and it made me miss it, even though i honestly pretty much always hated working there. and then scores was my first dancing club, and i miss things about that, simply because it was my first. but you just gotta move on.. plus, i have a feeling if you left and wanted to come back later, they'd take you.

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    the tipping point for me to leave my first club was when the drama got out of hand i was miserable with the management. combine that with knowing i could make better money elsewhere.

    now i'm happier and wealthier at my new club. sure, i miss some people at my old club but really, in this business you're there to make the most of yourself and if you're not doing that, it's time to move on.

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    Leaving my last club was very hard. I hung around for ages just hoping things would get better but they didnt.
    I really enjoyed working ther over the years and had made lots of friends - staff and customers, I felt really at home there.
    However, it changed.
    When the money gets so bad and the bad nights start to become frequent. When the club starts to go downhill and nothing is done to fix up the problems. When the negitive things out number the positive and or youre just not doing really well anymore or your not feeling good about working then its high time you moved on.
    Im so glad I did. The club I moved to is soooooo refreshing and a real pleasure to work in. It feel so good to be in a place which is run well and that has a good atmosphere. The thing is you can usually always go back to an old club (at least over here you can) so you have nothing to loose by trying somewhere else (-:

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    It was hard for me to leave my club because like you it was my first club. I loved management, the girls and the DJ's. It just got a point where I had to take a look back and say, "this is business not personal" What is the point in coming into a club and regularly, yes regularly making >$50 on a weeknight?! I let those $50 nights pile up until I said, I KNOW my worth. After going down to FL and seeing how much money I could make with my hustle, I knew I deserved more. It was a scary move for me to make, but untimately I did it.

    My suggestion: Leave club A. If you aren't making money more than you are making money, then its time to go. Good nights should far more outweigh the bad. And if it's opposite, you need to go.







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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    I left my first club a few weeks ago and havent ventured to a new one yet.
    I knew it was time to leave when:

    1: Too many mandatory tip outs. $5 for the doorgirl, who does nothing, $10 for the dj who did nothing spectacular but get high, and $10 to the manager and $5 for the waitress. This wasnt a high class club, it was some shitty place so that is too much money in my opinion.

    2: Open drug use (weed, coke, underage drinking) in the back and the manager didnt give a shit when I asked him why it was allowed to openly do drugs. I'm not going to be guilty by association if a cop were to come in and smell it in the air. Oh, and the manager advised me to drink before working so I'd be relaxed. I started work at 11am so um, yeah.

    3: The way we were told to sell VIP. If I'm asked if they get sex in the back, I let them know that this isn't a brothel. I was told by the managment to let them think they'll get sex to get them back there, just never say yes directly. They didnt care what you did in the back, as long as you didnt suck, fuck, or get fingered. Yeah... k. If you imply sex and a guy doesnt get sex, especially with no bouncers, I'm sure that can cause a violent scene.

    4: Underselling dances. They let girls undersell dances at 4 for 40 all day long. That's along with their full day promotional 2 for 1's they'd throw whenever they wanted. I refused to do that and kept getting custies saying "well, so and so did it...". I do not undersell what I deem my dances are worth. 2 for 1, maybe occasionally, but not all the damn time.

    5: Not enough customers. In one 7 hour period only 22 customers or less came through. Not one of them bought more than 1-2 dances.

    6: Best one- They took half of my money! The deal breaker was, after having been licked down my back and dealing with assholes, I walked out with 60. I had 1 vip, $100, but they take the $65 stage fee from that and then $30 from that for the VIP fee. So I danced 10 minutes for $5. Then only 10 customers came after that and I sold only 4 dances. That was $80. I was tipped $40 by the VIP guy to buy a dress from the costume lady. Every 3 dances you get $10 taken. Plus I had to tip out the door girl, and the manager who was also dj'ing that night so it was only 1 tip. I walked out with 60. I made 10 bucks from two stage sets and that was it. I called to ask why the hell (after doing math while my husband drove me home) did they take over half of my money after they said that their club doesnt do that? The nightshift manager told me to come back and get my last tip out of $15 or $20 and I told him I wasnt going back for 15 bucks. I hung up and never went back. I was averaging only $100 after tip out and it was getting ridiculous. I would have over $220 in my hands (which is decent for a slow day during the day shift) and then lose half. I had to sell 6 drinks min. or else I'd have to pay a drink tax, 6.50 per drink. I always sold more but that would take from my hustle to let a customer spend money on drinks instead of me. I was selling a lot of dances but it was all being take away from me and it finally pissed me off that these bastards dont do shit and take that much money from me.

    So... yeah. Long story and semi rant, but I just knew it was time to go after weighing cons/pros. Your club is still better than mine was, but if it's not enough $$$ you have no choice but to venture out and see if somewhere else is better.

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    Wouldn't it be pretty simple to work a day or two at another club and see how you liked it? Even if you have a set schedule at your current club, you should be able to make up some reason why you have to be "out of town" for a week or so.

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    Well, basically, I got to the point where I dreaded going to work, hated every single customer who walked through the door, and was positively miserable. After about 2 weeks of that I moved on... I should have done it after two days.

    When you just DON'T want to be there and can't make yourself be in a good mood... then it is time.

    There was another sordid incident where I broke up with someone who worked at a certain club and he made my life a living hell, so I left. That's all I'm saying about that incident!
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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    I started working at two clubs at once, well, three actually, to transition to another one. When I could make dollar comparisons as to my average at each club, it made it pretty easy to clear out my locker at the first club and transition all the way to the second one. I'm so glad I did. Actually, it ended up not even just being about the money. I fit better at my current club than I did at the old one.

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    Default Re: how did you know when it was time to change clubs?

    My vote is to try out another club without burning bridges at your home club. Go back once a week or once every other week. When I left my first club, I told them I needed a break from dancing. I have been back a couple of times in the past three months, but no way would I work there now except for once in a blue moon. I know going there I will bank just because all the girls are happy to see me, and I am like a special guest with the regular custies.

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