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    From stupid ignorant people.

    I was(I have given up on it) having a debate with a young woman(I will NOT say lady) on a myspace group. She was arguing that the main problem today is that women no longer stay home and tae carof their men. That a womans JOB is to cook clean and care for her man and that all these owmen today with this "false sense of independance" are making men less manly.

    She argued that this was the cause of the incredible rise in divorce rates.
    I argued back..not only on the points above (seriously..did she stumble in from 1933?)but that divorce rates, which spiked inteh late 70's early 80's have actually been on a steady decline since the early 90's. I provided actual facts and everything.

    Her response? That I have no credibility because I am in porn and a stripper and resort to showing my vagina for money..therefore I know nothing about marriage.


    I was amused for awhile..now I have a headache thinking there are still YOUNG(she was only in her early 20's) that think this way.....independance is EVIL!!!

    Just wow.....
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    You know, I have no issues with her feeling that way about her own life: if someone wants to live to serve someone else, fine. But it bothers me when people think that their opinions should apply to everyone. It's ridiculous. It's necessary for people to have differing opinions! The world wouldn't work otherwise!

    Like, does she really think that ALL women should stay home? So the workforce should be cut by roughly half? Really? I'm sure there would be no economic repercussions.

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    That was exactly my point. if thats what you want fine..but dont tell me I'm WRONG for not wating the exact same thing.

    And now shes spilling...seems her first marriage was open and since it didnt work for HER...now monogomy and traditional values are how EVERYONE must live. She tried it and got burned..so it will work for NOBODY.
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    Can we please have a link to this great debate? I'm curious how she got through the discussion with you with just her comments displayed by you here.

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    http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...686BCA33436360


    This was the comment that started it..."Women these days have forgotten, with this false sense of independence, they take away their mens masculinity, their men don't get to be MEN. "

    I dont think she thinks all women should stay home...but that there are roles that are gender specific and not doing your job(say cooking for women) is what is destroying marriage
    People always ask me, did I ever learn anything when I was a stripper? Yeah, I did. One man plus two beers equals 20 dollars.
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    Myspace is an obsession...much like Stripperweb...
    http://www.myspace.com/cameronkeys (real myspace)

    http://www.myspace.com/sexyhotdancer(work myspace)


    Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

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    I'm embarassed by the fact that she's from my state. Take it at face value I suppose; she appears to be very sheltered.

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    Yeah I gave up. She obviously tried to be wild when she was younger and got burned...so the only recourse was to find god and put down others who havent. I really tried to be rational....but eventually it got less than amusing to keep repeating myself.
    People always ask me, did I ever learn anything when I was a stripper? Yeah, I did. One man plus two beers equals 20 dollars.
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    Myspace is an obsession...much like Stripperweb...
    http://www.myspace.com/cameronkeys (real myspace)

    http://www.myspace.com/sexyhotdancer(work myspace)


    Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

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    Yep, I have(had) a friend exactly like that, only she's 22.

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    Oh, the benefit of youth. To know everything and be so enthusiastic with shoving it upon everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    Her response? That I have no credibility because I am in porn and a stripper and resort to showing my vagina for money..therefore I know nothing about marriage.
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    that is the part that pissed me off. tell her then, that she would know nothing about pleasing her man sexually, since she's NOT a stripper or in porn, which is why he probably would go to see you perform, given the opportunity. HAHA!

    stupid ignorant cunt. what does one's profession have to do with what they know about marriage? even marriage counselors get divorces and have bad relationships, psychologists that are on medications and dont know how to run their own lives, etc.

    and excuse me, but "resorting" to showing my vagina for money is better than showing it for free like most ignorant sluts.

    and ask her exactly how many men are throwing themselves at her feet, whereas you're a goddess and men pine for you daily? she's just jealous that you're hotter than she will ever be, and the only way that she could ever keep a man would be by becoming his house slave while he has all kinds of freedom to cheat on her and treat her like crap.

    sorry, i'm all kinds of pissed off at her comment.

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    "Women these days have forgotten, with this false sense of independence, they take away their mens masculinity, their men don't get to be MEN. "
    I'm a big believer in the concept of men and women naturally, intrinsically, innately gravitating toward specific gender-based interests, capabilities and roles, but that has not a damn thing to do with why marriage as an institution (or relationships, more broadly) is undergoing significant changes in Western society.

    The efforts at systematic emasculation going on in our culture completely aside, if I need a woman to give me my masculinity, I'm already worthless from the start.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    and excuse me, but "resorting" to showing my vagina for money is better than showing it for free like most ignorant sluts.

    and ask her exactly how many men are throwing themselves at her feet, whereas you're a goddess and men pine for you daily? she's just jealous that you're hotter than she will ever be, and the only way that she could ever keep a man would be by becoming his house slave while he has all kinds of freedom to cheat on her and treat her like crap.
    OH HELL YES! I can't even try to say this better myself.

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    Ok..I'm glad I'm not the only one who got hot under the collar at her remarks. For a minute I thought maybe I was overreacting....


    And Casual Observer..I think I said somethng to that effect...how m y man is enough of a man to not be threatened by my independance. Any man who felt his masculinity in question because I was not a doting housewife wouldnt be worth my time.

    I def. think that men and women drift towards certain things instinctively. But to say its your JOB just because of your gender is so amazingly small minded I cant even imagine the thought process.

    Thank god it isnt true. I cant cook for shit and I'm a mediocre housecleaner at best. I'd be fired for sure!! Thankfully I have many other wifley "talents" that give me job security!!
    People always ask me, did I ever learn anything when I was a stripper? Yeah, I did. One man plus two beers equals 20 dollars.
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    Myspace is an obsession...much like Stripperweb...
    http://www.myspace.com/cameronkeys (real myspace)

    http://www.myspace.com/sexyhotdancer(work myspace)


    Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blayze View Post
    that is the part that pissed me off. tell her then, that she would know nothing about pleasing her man sexually, since she's NOT a stripper or in porn, which is why he probably would go to see you perform, given the opportunity. HAHA!

    stupid ignorant cunt. what does one's profession have to do with what they know about marriage? even marriage counselors get divorces and have bad relationships, psychologists that are on medications and dont know how to run their own lives, etc.

    and excuse me, but "resorting" to showing my vagina for money is better than showing it for free like most ignorant sluts.

    and ask her exactly how many men are throwing themselves at her feet, whereas you're a goddess and men pine for you daily? she's just jealous that you're hotter than she will ever be, and the only way that she could ever keep a man would be by becoming his house slave while he has all kinds of freedom to cheat on her and treat her like crap.

    sorry, i'm all kinds of pissed off at her comment.


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    Cameron, don't give the deluded twat another unit of your energy. People who are truly happy with their choices in life do not feel the need to tell others that their choices are wrong. The most self-content people I have ever met were also the least judgemental.

    If she feels that all she wants out of life is to be a housefrau, then more power to her. The truth is, she may not be cut out for anything else in life, and deep down she knows it. So of course she is going to verbally berate the choices of a sexual, empowered woman--she resents you for having choices she does not. She resents you living life by your own terms. You are a threat to her way of thinking. What do women do when they feel threatened by another woman? ---try to make that woman feel small. Don't let her do that.

    Women like her really frost my garters. For one thing, I consider myself very much a woman, and the last thing I ever want to do is be married and give up my freedom and my personal space. Also, I don't like children, and have no desire to have any. I'm a damned good cook, but it isn't my JOB to make the meals in a relationship. Still, I'm a woman, and a damned fine one at that. Some women would like us all to be as trapped as they feel--misery loves company.

    Women like that have to put down women who don't define themselves by their domestic situation. Some of us have more going on, and it pisses the hell out of people like her. Some of us are dancers, some are porn actresses, or models, or artists. It isn't a woman's NATURAL role to be domesticated--some choose to be, and if that is what makes them happy, then I'm happy for them. But if they can't be happy for me and my choices too, then they can lick the bottom of my stilletto.

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    I can't stand people that are this judgmental!!

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    Oh noes vagina = no marriage knowledge. Great logic.

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    Sweetie, don't punish her. She'll do it to herself. Real men (men who believe that nothing is inherently gender-specific, like real women with careers and minds of their own, won't sponge off him) won't go for her. She's going to get a patronizing, chauvinistic man who will keep her barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. She won't have an identity of her own, just worship for him. She'll be under someone else's decisions, someone else's money, he'll allow her certain privileges rather than respect her as a person, and the marriage will seem harmonious because there will only be one decision and no opposition.

    There's housewives/stay-at-home-moms, and there's domestic prostitutes. Guess what she is. I'm sorry, I insulted prostitutes. Prostitutes are enterprising businesspeople who are out WORKING.

    Men getting less manly? Pfft, some people can't understand that women are humans (not whores or goddesses) who might want the same things as men. Men and women are both victims of gender roles. Women have had their revolution, men haven't. Heck, some women haven't.

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    Thanks everyone. It really makes me feel better that her antiquated thinking is not shared by the far more intelligent people on this board!!
    People always ask me, did I ever learn anything when I was a stripper? Yeah, I did. One man plus two beers equals 20 dollars.
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    Myspace is an obsession...much like Stripperweb...
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    Sometimes I don't know whether I should be angry at those people or just pity them. There is a huge Christian women's seminar that recently happened here in TX. Its meant to teach women how to be "good Christian women." I flipped through some of the material from this conference and by about 5 pages in I was shaking in anger. In the notes, written in black and white, a woman's place is to be the helper to the man, you are not a real woman until you have a man, feminism leads to immorality and depravity, a woman must preserve her virginity for her husband (apparently your future husband owns your vagina and your job is to guard it until he comes along), all people who have not submitted to Christ are depraved, including children. Tens of thousands of Americans go to these conferences every year. They write this stuff down and take notes on it AS IF IT WERE FACT. And according to them, it is a fact. This country is so fucked.

    Sounds like that girl has been to some of these meetings.

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    send her this!

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    don't let that chick get under your skin Cameron. she's not worth it at all. We all know that stereotypes are awful. People will always fear and judge what they don't understand.

    it's just sad that she had to resort to attempting to degrade you, just because she failed a debate. (by the way...GREAT job debating your cause. You made her look like a fool regardless of what she said to you.)

    you know, the more i sit here and think about what was said...the more pissed off i get.
    There's a wild side behind every innocent face.

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