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    Alright, I just came to the conclusion that i'm suffering heavily from depression, after I came off of Accutane. And no, it's not from the break up...it was before that, while on the medication the last month of the course. Not suicidal, but extremely depressed. I've been going at it at my co-workers(they are scared to talk to me at work, I can tell), family, and exbf. Just everyone in my everyday life. I have all the symptoms. I feel like a prisoner in my own body, with the worst anxiety, and tatrums.

    I'm glad that I realize this, and need to take care of it. Now, I don't know much about depression. For those of you who suffer from it, or have suffered from it... what ways have you treated depression w/o prescribed medication?

    I want to so bad treat it w/o the meds. I'm thinking maybe I should wait til the Accutane is out of my system and i'll feel normal by then. It's been less than a month since I finished the medication. In the mean time take some herbal remedies(can anyone reccomend any please?), i'm looking online. I want to try everything possible before someone prescribes me something.

    Any info would be helpful, thanks.

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    I've been battling clinical depression for 3 years now, it's not an easy thing. Everyone has a different way of dealing with it. I wrote...a lot. I wrote songs, poetry, short stories, movie scripts...I found it very cathartic. If you're artistic, try doing that. The hard part, of course, is trying to see the good in things...when everything's dark, it's hard to see light sometimes. You'll find a way to break through it.

    Another thing I'd do is brew up some tea and just stare out my window at clouds or nothing in particular at all, scratching my cat behind his ears.

    If you need to rant or anything, I've got a pretty good handle on the situation, I've seen it and experienced it, and I'm more than willing to help. Hope that things start to pick up for you though.

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    Hugs.

    I know when I went through one of the hardest breakups I swore to christ I'd never make it through, I couldn't sleep and when I did it was too much. I didn't eat...I cried endlessly and you know how in movies when they show someone going fucking nuts they are always yelling towards the sky at god..

    Yah i did that shit

    I also had babysitters, family and friends spent nights at my house to keep me away from my email and cell phone .Because I was calling his ass like seriously 30 times in a row ...and of course he didnt answer so I only sobbed more.

    I was suicidal and just insane.

    But you know what, I didnt take meds and I somehow made it through. Shit sucked balls, I won't lie. But that shit made me so much stronger. I felt like I could get through anything once I got over that.

    It took a good few weeks before I started to feel human again. I'd honestly say like 3 weeks. I didnt leave my house much because when I did I would drive by his work and his home, just to see if "she" was there.

    Basically I tortured myself

    This was something like 4 or 5 years ago. I never thought, at the time I'd be sitting here totally somewhat sane and with someone else and in love. I really thought he was it and I fucked up.

    Time heals everything, even a broken heart. You will make it through, and I think it's important in a way to feel this misery a bit. Let your heart break and fix it. Sometimes that approach does wonders.

    But if you start to feel overwhelmed to the point of desperation and suicide you know what to do.. no not get on SW lol ...go see your dr

    If this goes on for more than 2 weeks I dont' think it would hurt any to go talk to your family dr about it. Maybe being on something like xanax would help at least a little.

    Best of luck to you, you have my friendship if you need it.

    Just remember you are a amazing and you aren't dying...it only feels like it right now. But I promise it won't kill you it will only make you stronger.

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    Depression can be a clinical thing (like, your brain simply doesn't produce enough serotonin and you need meds to balance it) or it can be something that comes and goes depending on circumstance. If you're clinically depressed, I'd suggest taking meds (homeopathic or otherwise). If it's something you think you can overcome and be done with it... I'd suggest spending a lot of time with your friends, exersize, eat healthy, try something new (like rockclimbing or ballet dancing, or whatever interests you).
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    what bella said is very true, sometimes you just *can't* do it without meds. however, since you want to go a different route (i'm not big on pills, either), i do agree that you should wait until all the accutane is out of your system to see if that makes a difference. maybe you could try talking to a therapist? even if you don't necessarily like the therapy approach, you're getting out of the house in order to get there, and you're being forced to interact with another person. both those things can help, i've found.

    keep us updated!

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    Medication doesn't replace the missing chemicals... it only masks the symptoms that those missing chemicals cause.

    or you can have your brain chemistry tested and they will let you know which chemicals you are lacking and the best course of action. they both sell pharmecuetical grade supplements that you can order that will actually replenish what you are missing.


    I personally prefer the company Neurogistics over Neuroscience.....Let me know if you need any help.

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    Try taking St. Johns Wort. Supposedly, it works almost as well as Prozac. I dunno about that, but I do know It helped me with depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    Medication doesn't replace the missing chemicals... it only masks the symptoms that those missing chemicals cause.
    Actually, they sort of DO replace the missing peices. Take SSRI's for example, they keep the serotonin in your brain for longer periods of time by blocking it from being sucked back into the neurons (hence the name, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor). According to my doctor (when I was on anti-depressants) this can decrease the number of reuptake whatchamicallits (I forget the technical term) over time. So... it kind of does help. Anti-depressants have also been known to increase neurotrophin (which helps to keep neurons from dying) so parts of the hippocampus and cerebal cortex can be restored (since those areas are known to shrink during depression).

    Sorry... psych major... :dusts off remaining cobwebs:

    For the OP, I tried St. John's Wart. You might as well give it a shot. Personally, it made me feel kind of light-headed.
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    ^ same with me and st johns. And that Sam-e shit worked for a few weeks and then BOOM nothing. Although hell a few weeks just to get you back on your feet maybe all you really need.


    My bfs mom is a therapist and she told him that white bread...white bread has seritonin boosters. that when depressed patients don't want to take their meds, they give them some white bread.

    Oh and working out.

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    I have had battles with depression and I found that working out helped out alot. Also I would hit the nature trails and take my dog for a long walk. It was nice to be out and the trails were so peaceful. I took meds for a bit, but the side effects were too much for me. I have been battling it on my own since. Its hard to force yourself to snap out of destructive behaviour, but it is working for me. Being in nature does wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    Actually, they sort of DO replace the missing peices. Take SSRI's for example, they keep the serotonin in your brain for longer periods of time by blocking it from being sucked back into the neurons (hence the name, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor). According to my doctor (when I was on anti-depressants) this can decrease the number of reuptake whatchamicallits (I forget the technical term) over time. So... it kind of does help. Anti-depressants have also been known to increase neurotrophin (which helps to keep neurons from dying) so parts of the hippocampus and cerebal cortex can be restored (since those areas are known to shrink during depression).

    Sorry... psych major... :dusts off remaining cobwebs:

    For the OP, I tried St. John's Wart. You might as well give it a shot. Personally, it made me feel kind of light-headed.
    Sort of do and DO are two different things. The supplements that the two companies I mentioned sell actually totally REPLENISH the missing chemicals.

    For example: Let's say that my neurotransmitter test says I'm lacking these chemicals and it could effect the things listed below.

    Serotonin*
    Sleep cycle, depression, anxiety,
    carbohydrate cravings, PMS
    Inhibitory
    Dopamine*
    Focus, attention, memory, motivation/
    drive, mood, addictive disorders
    Inhibitory/
    Excitatory
    Norepinephrine*
    Energy, drive, stimulation, “fight or
    flight” response, insomnia, anxiety
    Excitatory
    Epinephrine*
    “Fight or flight” response, metabolism,
    energy, depression, cognitive function
    Excitatory
    Norepi/Epi Ratio
    Ratios < 3 = restlessness, over-training
    Ratios >6 = stress, tiredness, lack of
    focus, energy & motivation “burn out”
    Excitatory
    GABA*
    Reduces excess stimulation
    Inhibitory
    Glutamate*
    Agitation, sleeplessness, depression
    when low
    Excitatory


    They would then suggest the following for me...

    Phase 1 Supplement Usage - The Inhibitory Phase

    IH-One, Sero-S and 5HTP are supplements designed to create more serotonin and reduce excessive excitatory firing (if necessary). The dosage should begin slowly, (1 capsule) since nausea or loose bowels may occur when first beginning supplementation therapy that includes 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP). This amino acid is the intermediate precursor to serotonin. If your dosage schedule indicates that more than one capsule of IH-One, Sero-S or 5HTP should be taken at each dosage time, please increase the dosage slowly until you reach the total amount recommended. This increase may be implemented over a period of one day to one week. The schedule for increasing should be determined by how your intestinal tract responds to the supplement. If nausea occurs, decrease your current dosage and maintain it at that level for a few days. Then increase slowly. This GI reaction is common and can occur subsequent to the increasing serotonin in the intestine. If sleep becomes less restful on IH-One, Sero-S or 5HTP, just move the dosage up to an earlier hour in the day – perhaps before 4:00 p.m. This occurrence is relatively rare since

    IH-One, Sero-S and 5HTP are inhibitory neurotransmitter support products. After two full weeks on IH-One, Sero-S or 5HTP at the full dosage, it will be time to add some excitatory neurotransmitter support.

    Theanine 100 and Theanine 200 are inhibitory amino acids that are utilized to reduce excessive excitatory neurotransmitters. Theanine 100 and Theanine 200 will typically be dosed several times per day.


    MagTaur and GABA + are inhibitory products utilized for anxiety, nervousness or irritability. MagTaur and GABA + are often used when support for GABA is needed (GABA may actually be elevated in your excretion level when these supplements are suggested).


    Adrenal-C and HPA are adrenal support formulas. They are used when epinephrine levels show significant signs of stress. There are no stimulants in these products, only support for your adrenal glands. HPA and Adrenal-C are used to reduce excessive “fight or flight” response. HPA is used for shorter duration than Adrenal-C. Both are used just long enough for the adrenals and brain to become less stressed.

    etc, etc, ....



    So.... they're actually building these things back up in my body. (yes, these are my actual test results) I will retest again in a few months and once I get my results, we'll adjust which supplements I take and the dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    Try taking St. Johns Wort. Supposedly, it works almost as well as Prozac.
    Last double-blind clinical trial I heard about found no effacacy in St. John's Wort.

    V, if you had a liver condition you would treat it medically. Your brain is an organ, too. Try some anti-Ds to get over the hump. Oh, and once you have sufficient energy, exercise is very, very helpful.

    Also, avoid self medicating, especially with booze.

    Good luck, sweet. You WILL get through this.

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    The Accutane made me really really depressed.

    The Roche company tried to silence all the people who suffered depression from that med.

    Then some kid in Florida inexplicably drove an airplane into a condo building and Roche couln't keep it silent any more.

    It is probabally the accutane. Give it a rest for 8 weeks and see how you feel. I promise it will be better without accutane.

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    For the record: GABA as it is sold in supplement form cannot pass the blood-brain barrier, rendering it useless to the brain. Your brain needs the GABA in synaptic gaps (and on it's way through neurons), not your bloodstream. GABA is something that you manufacture yourself, organic. There is a medication that is essentially pharmaceutical GABA, it's called Gabapentin. Don't take nutritional GABA supplements for brain issues, it won't do anything.

    By the way, I'm not talking out of my ass, I'm a Neuropharmacology and Psychology student.

    Be very wary of people that want to use supplements for brain problems....#1, they have no way of accurate diagnosis.....we can't determine problems with neurotransmitters and different chemical compositions of the brain....truly....we can get close with brain scans, PET scans in particular. The only way to really find out is to remove brain tissue and literally look at it......obviously, we don't do that sort of thing. This is why neuropharm is sort of throwing meds at you until you find a something that works....it needs to be done under direct supervision from a medical professional.

    Oh, and for the love of god, if you do take any ssri, DO NOT take 5-htp; this can cause a serious (sometimes fatal) condition called serotonin syndrome....it's extremely dangerous, if anyone tells you something different, run, don't walk out of their office.

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    I forget students know everything and those who actually work in these fields know nothing.....And I suppose you will say that all methods of alternative medicine is quackery.

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    http://www.amazon.com/Depression-Fre.../dp/0060959657

    I'm reading this right now with an open mind. Many thanks to the lovely lady who sent it to me. Its worth a shot. I just cannot fathom living the rest of my life dependant on Depakote and Adderol. There HAS to be a way!

    But for temporary, event-based clinical depression, perhaps some pharmas might help you get through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    I forget students know everything and those who actually work in these fields know nothing.....And I suppose you will say that all methods of alternative medicine is quackery.
    As a Graduate Student in Neuropharmacology, I do actually work in the field. I'm a research assistant, counselor, and pursuing my PhD. No, not all methods of alternative medicine are quackery; but if you don't think there are some serious quacks out there, you're kidding yourself. I'm suspect of that website you mentioned earlier, only because the person running it is a "nutritionist" Guess what? Anyone can call themself a nutritionist, and sell themselves as that.....no regulation at all.....I find it scary that some alternative practitioners eschew modern science and allopathic medicine entirely, it's dangerous. I see an acupuncturist, who works *with* not against other Drs that I see.

    Sorry for sounding indignant, but your assuming that I have a negative view of all forms of alternative medicine is just as judgemental as you're accusing me of being. But I suppose hypocrisy runs rampant everywhere, eh?

    The only advice I was giving is 100% proven....nutritional GABA cannot cross the blood-brain barrier....it may very well do something good for other parts of your body, thus affecting one's well-being, not denying that. It just does not function as the GABA that you make in your very own brain does.

    5-htp, St. John's Wort, Kava and Sam-e are all things with good track records for improving mental well-being.....extra B-vitamins have also been helpful in my own experience. The advice about not taking 5-htp and an SSRI at the same time, that was the gospel truth. Serotonin Syndrome can happen if someone uses both of those things at or near the same time. I mentioned that not to deter someone from taking 5-htp, but to warn about a danger that not a lot of people have ever heard of. I took SSRI's for YEARS before I learned of the possible danger of poisoning myself with just a simple little mistake.

    So sorry for offending your sensibilities by offering another viewpoint

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    How about 5-HTP without SSRI? I have taken large doses of this before after a hard night of exctacy, and it worked very well. It made me extremely drowsy. Its recommended in the book that I'm reading, posted above.

    Any advice on this? I'm thinking about starting it out at night, before bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    I forget students know everything and those who actually work in these fields know nothing.....And I suppose you will say that all methods of alternative medicine is quackery.
    ??? THere is often a fine line between "student" and "employee"... and no one has said that alternative medicine is quackery.

    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    Sort of do and DO are two different things. The supplements that the two companies I mentioned sell actually totally REPLENISH the missing chemicals.
    Sometimes, increasing serotonin isn't always the answer. It depends on the person and the problem. I mean, REPLENISHING serotonin is... well, there are many ways to do that. Take diet, for example. Neurons synthesize serotonin from tryptophan (amino acid found in proteins... so a diet high in amino acids other than tryptophan= brain sucks at synthesizing serotonin). Depression is linked with low serotonin ACTIVITY. Besides, if you have buttloads of serotonin being processed, does that mean that you're going to be that much happier? Nope. What if the problem is that the brain is having problems releasing it?

    Soooo yea... But, I did forget about 5 HTP! I've had some good results from that stuff. Whether it was the placebo effect or not, I dunno... but it worked!
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    I honestly haven't a clue about how much 5-htp one can take safely. I just know that you never ever want to take ssri drugs and 5-htp. Watch out for mega-doses.....very large doses of (almost) anything can be bad. Honestly, I'd ask a Dr. about it, they'd be able to tell you about any interactions it could have with your diet, other supplements, any medications, etc.

    or.....you could check the physician's desk reference, I think the newer ones have at least some info about popular supplements.

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    #1, they have no way of accurate diagnosis.....we can't determine problems with neurotransmitters and different chemical compositions of the brain....truly....we can get close with brain scans, PET scans in particular. The only way to really find out is to remove brain tissue and literally look at it......obviously, we don't do that sort of thing. This is why neuropharm is sort of throwing meds at you until you find a something that works....it needs to be done under direct supervision from a medical professional.
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    St. Johns Wort is counterindicated for bi-polar, and it sounds like there's a small possibility you could fall in that range (anxiety, tantrums). Also it takes several weeks to work.

    I agree with the person above who said wait for the accutane to get out of your system. Just getting on SSRI's for a little while is a bad idea because coming off them can be really really hard.

    You could try taking an oatstraw infusion (oatstraw isn't an anti-depressant, but it is calming, nourishing, and stabilizing). Just get some oatstraw, put an inch or two in a glass jar, pour hot water over it and put a lid on it before bed. In the morning strain it and drink it during the day. The effect is fast and also cumulative.

    You could also try the thymus thump and tapping your K27 points. This site tells you how, I hope it makes sense... http://www.tapintoheaven.com/newslet...nt3Thumps.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tart View Post
    Hugs.

    I know when I went through one of the hardest breakups I swore to christ I'd never make it through, I couldn't sleep and when I did it was too much. I didn't eat...I cried endlessly and you know how in movies when they show someone going fucking nuts they are always yelling towards the sky at god..

    Yah i did that shit

    I also had babysitters, family and friends spent nights at my house to keep me away from my email and cell phone .Because I was calling his ass like seriously 30 times in a row ...and of course he didnt answer so I only sobbed more.

    I was suicidal and just insane.

    But you know what, I didnt take meds and I somehow made it through. Shit sucked balls, I won't lie. But that shit made me so much stronger. I felt like I could get through anything once I got over that.

    It took a good few weeks before I started to feel human again. I'd honestly say like 3 weeks. I didnt leave my house much because when I did I would drive by his work and his home, just to see if "she" was there.

    Basically I tortured myself

    This was something like 4 or 5 years ago. I never thought, at the time I'd be sitting here totally somewhat sane and with someone else and in love. I really thought he was it and I fucked up.

    Time heals everything, even a broken heart. You will make it through, and I think it's important in a way to feel this misery a bit. Let your heart break and fix it. Sometimes that approach does wonders.

    But if you start to feel overwhelmed to the point of desperation and suicide you know what to do.. no not get on SW lol ...go see your dr

    If this goes on for more than 2 weeks I dont' think it would hurt any to go talk to your family dr about it. Maybe being on something like xanax would help at least a little.

    Best of luck to you, you have my friendship if you need it.

    Just remember you are a amazing and you aren't dying...it only feels like it right now. But I promise it won't kill you it will only make you stronger.

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    Thank you all for the tips girls. I appreciate it tons!

    Well, today I made an appointment to my derm so she can reffer me to a therapist since, she's the one who gave me Accutane. I DO want to wait a while til Accutane is out of my system. Because I know i've changed since I started taking them. For now i'm gonna take those over the counter supplements. I want to take my ass to the gym, but the Accutane made EXTREMELY tired and lazy...you have no idea. It's now getting better, I feel like that's going away.

    BTW, what's 5-HTP? I'm going to read those sites later on, when I get home.

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    Wow, lots of discussion in here! I'm just going to say feel better soon Vy! , Depression is a bitch! and back away slowly...

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