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    First it was her pushing the idea that 9/11 was an "inside job"- that the Secret Service and CIA set off a bomb in the WTC to bring them down. Now she is claiming that the Iranian seizure of 15 British sailors is another "Gulf of Tonkin."

    (Personal note-I was downtown on 9/11 and personally saw the second plane hit the South Tower and watched the North Tower collapse and fall.) This "theory "has absolutely zero factual support and has been completely debunked. Nonetheless Rosie is pushing the latest conspiracy film narrated by Charlie Sheen.

    My real question is WHY is the mainstream media giving Rosie a pass for these and other factually bankrupt bloviations ? Why hasn't ABC reined her in ? Why is Baba Wawa going along with Rosie's garbage ? Why does the press lambaste Coulter (deservedly so, btw) yet ignore Rosie's anti-American ravings.

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    I always thought 9/11 was an inside job too.

    *CK goes to pop her Zoloft now...lol*







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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    I always thought 9/11 was an inside job too.

    *CK goes to pop her Zoloft now...lol*
    Based on WHAT ??? POPULAR MECHANICS totally de-bunked ALL the sabotage theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    bloviations


    Wow. You just used a word I'd never even heard before. Nice. I like a man with a big....vocabulary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Based on WHAT ??? POPULAR MECHANICS totally de-bunked ALL the sabotage theories.
    Ummm....I think CK was joking? (Hence the zoloft reference and the lol?)

    (long on vocabulary, but a little short on sense of humor....? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post

    My real question is WHY is the mainstream media giving Rosie a pass for these and other factually bankrupt bloviations ? Why hasn't ABC reined her in ? Why is Baba Wawa going along with Rosie's garbage ? Why does the press lambaste Coulter (deservedly so, btw) yet ignore Rosie's anti-American ravings.
    Rosie like Ann is entitled to have and express her opinions. Both get lambasted by those with opposing positions. If one gets blasted less than another it is because one side is more often in line with the majority opinion at the given time.

    Right now anti war and anti Bush opinions are the majority thus Rosie gets less grief than Ann. Not to mention that in general Ann is alot more nasty and rude than Rosie when expressing herself.

    Rosie isn't un-American anymore than Ann is either. Neither is "un-American". Remember that dissent is the core reason this nation was founded.

    Some wise words to consider on the subject of dissent-

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    Default Re: Rosie O'Donnell Needs Therapy

    Right now anti war and anti Bush opinions are the majority thus Rosie gets less grief than Ann.
    anti-war and anti-Bush are undoubtedly the majority opinions of mainstream media ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    anti-war and anti-Bush are undoubtedly the majority opinions of mainstream media ...
    good god do we have to rehash that stupid "media" argument again? The media reflects the majority opinion of it's viewers and consumers. It's just the way things work.

    Even if neoconservatives or wingnuts don't agree that Bush stinks at his job or that Iraq is a cluster fuck, it IS the majority opinion at the moment and has been for quite some time now. Even the current FoxNews poll shows a majority having a negative opinion on Bush which I found a bit shocking but a nice surprise!







    Back to the OP topic of Rosie now.

    I also understand that since she has been on the show ratings for "The View" have improved so that would also explain why she is not been forced to stop expressing her opinions during the show. Obviously the viewers of the show enjoy hearing her point of view. If the didn't the wouldn't watch the show and if people didn't watch then the companies that buy ad time wouldn't continue doing so and either they would drop Rosie or end the show. Neither seems to be happening anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-10 View Post
    good god do we have to rehash that stupid "media" argument again? The media reflects the majority opinion of it's viewers and consumers. It's just the way things work.

    I really don't agree with you here. I do feel that "the mainstream media" makes it OK for people like Rosie to go ff on their non-sensical tangents and I don't feel that the majority of people (i.e. viewers) are of the same opinion. I live in a very democrat-filled area and I've not talked with people who are AS anti-Bush as the media would make you think.

    Back to Rosie.....

    Something recently that annoyed me ..... I'm no fan of Bill O'Reilly, but I caught the "poll" ABC did where they asked viewers about "Conservative" Bill O'Reilly vs Rosie O'Donnell (no "adjective" in front of her name) (I know I could certainly think of a few). God I hate that fat nasty bitch. I hate that show she's on too, but in the bits and pieces I've seen, she is just pure evil and is filled with so much hatred, it's actually pretty sad.






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    Well maybe when they can find a person to stand up to Rosie. To take her words that feels like ali blows to the head. Then throw it back to her, I believe than they will stick it to Rosie. Other wise they are a bunch pussy. Rosie seem to put alot of people in thier place. I respect her for that!

    Eric I dont think 911 was a inside job. Yet I do believe they let it happen to put fear in amerieca heart. So they can do things they would in no other time get away with! Because They was warn so many times about that threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello_Kitty27 View Post
    I really don't agree with you here. I do feel that "the mainstream media" makes it OK for people like Rosie to go ff on their non-sensical tangents and I don't feel that the majority of people (i.e. viewers) are of the same opinion. I live in a very democrat-filled area and I've not talked with people who are AS anti-Bush as the media would make you think.

    Back to Rosie.....

    Something recently that annoyed me ..... I'm no fan of Bill O'Reilly, but I caught the "poll" ABC did where they asked viewers about "Conservative" Bill O'Reilly vs Rosie O'Donnell (no "adjective" in front of her name) (I know I could certainly think of a few). God I hate that fat nasty bitch. I hate that show she's on too, but in the bits and pieces I've seen, she is just pure evil and is filled with so much hatred, it's actually pretty sad.
    You really don't think that the regular viewers of that show agree with the anti war and anti Bush opinions that are so commonly expressed on that show? If they didn't why would they keep watching? If the viewers don't like Rosie the why would the ratings have gone up since Rosie started on it?

    Even if you don't think a majority of regular viewers of that show like Rosie or share anti war and anti Bush opinions-hey that's cool. Just like Rosie, Ann or O'Reilly you are entitiled to your opinions. I have just a few more questions though if you don't mind. The answers will better help me gauge where you are coming from on these types of discussions.

    Why do you hate the show she is on?

    Did you hate it prior to her being on it?

    Do you think Rosie has the right to be legally wed to her partner?

    Do you at this point in time believe that Iraq had WMD's ?

    Did you vote for Bush in 2004?

    Thanks in advance for your answers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-10 View Post
    You really don't think that the regular viewers of that show agree with the anti war and anti Bush opinions that are so commonly expressed on that show? If they didn't why would they keep watching? If the viewers don't like Rosie the why would the ratings have gone up since Rosie started on it?

    Even if you don't think a majority of regular viewers of that show like Rosie or share anti war and anti Bush opinions-hey that's cool. Just like Rosie, Ann or O'Reilly you are entitiled to your opinions. I have just a few more questions though if you don't mind. The answers will better help me gauge where you are coming from on these types of discussions.

    Why do you hate the show she is on?

    Did you hate it prior to her being on it?

    Do you think Rosie has the right to be legally wed to her partner?

    Do you at this point in time believe that Iraq had WMD's ?

    Did you vote for Bush in 2004?

    Thanks in advance for your answers!
    I rarely watch "The VIEW." Both Rosie and Joy can be funny. Baba is way past her prime. They have NO "CONSERVATIVE" to take on Rosie or Joy. The one supposed "moderate" cannot or will not stand up to Rosie.Rosie DID help increase ratings. What remains to be seen is whether the sponsors will respond to the hundreds of thousands of e-mails, letters & phone-calls they've been getting and bail out like they did to REAL TIME after Maher's comment about the "physical courage" of the 9/11 hi-jackers compared to cruise missile technicians.That's why ABC cancelled Maher's show. The ratings were fine; the sponsors all bailed and they couldn't sell ads during his time slot.

    I couldn't care less what Rosie does or doesn't do or whom she weds or civilly commits to. Afaic it's nobody's business except hers.

    I don't KNOW if Iraq had WMD's and neither does anyone else for certain.They certainly had developmental programs for chemical and biological weapons but no actual weapons were found. They certainly had a stockpile of UNENRICHED uranium which WAS discovered. There is SOME evidence; far from conclusive or definitive that Iraq shipped its WMD's to Syria.

    I voted for Bush twice which shows you how bad Gore and Kerry were. I don't like Bush; never did and think he's a "failed President".

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    Quote Originally Posted by leilanicandy View Post

    Eric I dont think 911 was a inside job. Yet I do believe they let it happen to put fear in amerieca heart. So they can do things they would in no other time get away with! Because They was warn so many times about that threat.
    Yep, agreed completely. It's not like they didn't know where that plane was at all times, and it's not as if they couldn't have shot it down. The government may not have planned it, but it sure looks like they sat back and let it happen, probably to lend legitimacy to the Bush presidency after the 2000 election debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    Yep, agreed completely. It's not like they didn't know where that plane was at all times, and it's not as if they couldn't have shot it down. The government may not have planned it, but it sure looks like they sat back and let it happen, probably to lend legitimacy to the Bush presidency after the 2000 election debacle.
    There is not a Commander alive (U.S.Forces) to include the Commander in Chief that would shoot down a civilian airliner for straying of course. Did the Air Force have aircraft carrying cannon rounds and air to air missiles over NewYork and Washington D.C. . Nope, no way, no how, not a fucking chance. If by some chnace there was a Aegis missile cruiser in the Harbor beside New York, would it have fired on any of the airliners? Nope.

    That is some serious tin foil hat shit. Get over it. the Democrats lost by a narrow margin. There is a new election coming save your energy for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    There is not a Commander alive (U.S.Forces) to include the Commander in Chief that would shoot down a civilian airliner for straying of course. Did the Air Force have aircraft carrying cannon rounds and air to air missiles over NewYork and Washington D.C. . Nope, no way, no how, not a fucking chance. If by some chnace there was a Aegis missile cruiser in the Harbor beside New York, would it have fired on any of the airliners? Nope.

    That is some serious tin foil hat shit. Get over it. the Democrats lost by a narrow margin. There is a new election coming save your energy for that one.
    If a plane's heading straight for the twin towers, where it will invariably kill more civilians, wouldn't it seem like the lesser of the evils would be to shoot it down?

    The 2000 election was contraversial- a lot of people didn't think Bush won legitimately at all, given the Florida debacle. Now, personally, I don't care that much- he's not my president, thank Christ (though I'm not going to say that our PM is a helluvalot better). But you must admit that September 11 was the best thing to happen to Bush, at least before the Iraqi war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    If a plane's heading straight for the twin towers, where it will invariably kill more civilians, wouldn't it seem like the lesser of the evils would be to shoot it down?

    The 2000 election was contraversial- a lot of people didn't think Bush won legitimately at all, given the Florida debacle. Now, personally, I don't care that much- he's not my president, thank Christ (though I'm not going to say that our PM is a helluvalot better). But you must admit that September 11 was the best thing to happen to Bush, at least before the Iraqi war.
    Bush was the wrong President at the wrong time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    First it was her pushing the idea that 9/11 was an "inside job"- that the Secret Service and CIA set off a bomb in the WTC to bring them down. Now she is claiming that the Iranian seizure of 15 British sailors is another "Gulf of Tonkin."

    (Personal note-I was downtown on 9/11 and personally saw the second plane hit the South Tower and watched the North Tower collapse and fall.) This "theory "has absolutely zero factual support and has been completely debunked. Nonetheless Rosie is pushing the latest conspiracy film narrated by Charlie Sheen...
    Actually, I'd be much more likely to believe some of the celebrities and/or conspiracy theorists re: 9/11 if they actually held degrees in civil engineering, other than the few "absent-minded" professors they've already attempted to trot out. I guess the Laws of Thermodynamics probably don't fit in all that well with conspiracy agendas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ View Post
    Actually, I'd be much more likely to believe some of the celebrities and/or conspiracy theorists re: 9/11 if they actually held degrees in civil engineering, other than the few "absent-minded" professors they've already attempted to trot out. I guess the Laws of Thermodynamics probably don't fit in all that well with conspiracy agendas.
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    There's a different theory - that the administration knew about 9/11 beforehand but let it happen for their own reasons, a la Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. Personally I find this theory to be highly credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    There's a different theory - that the administration knew about 9/11 beforehand but let it happen for their own reasons, a la Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. Personally I find this theory to be highly credible.
    Yes. Hand in hand with that is that the FBI & CIA were just plain unwilling to work WITH each other to put the pieces together in time. Add to that, willfully ignorant & manipulative Petrochemical Companies. Watch "Syriana"...it's more bone-chilling than the latest stupid horror film in theaters ....

    OTOH, Muslim extremists are very determined as a group & it is possible terrorist events committed by them were inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    There's a different theory - that the administration knew about 9/11 beforehand but let it happen for their own reasons, a la Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. Personally I find this theory to be highly credible.
    The truth is bad enough. Clinton and then Bush left us wide open to terrorist attack.
    There is no evidence that the Gov't. just let it happen. While Roosevelt knew a war with Japan was inevitable; the when and where were not known. Could have been and should have been but weren't .
    Just as prior to 9/11 there was inadequate sharing of intel ( FDR was actually taken off the list of officials authorized to receive MAGIC intercepts of Japanese cables ) prior to Pearl harbor we were simply unprepared for war.

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    Clinton left us wide open, but the current administration did apparently know about it and let it happen anyway. I have no idea whether Dubya himself knew - seems they don't tell him much, but then they don't need to - but others in the administration most likely knew. Gas was cheap and approval ratings were WAY low. 9/11 was the best thing that could've ever happened for this administration and they knew it. They would have had no reason whatsoever to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Clinton left us wide open, but the current administration did apparently know about it and let it happen anyway. I have no idea whether Dubya himself knew - seems they don't tell him much, but then they don't need to - but others in the administration most likely knew. Gas was cheap and approval ratings were WAY low. 9/11 was the best thing that could've ever happened for this administration and they knew it. They would have had no reason whatsoever to stop it.

    O.K. I'll nibble. What are you basing this is on ? Who says they knew ? How
    did they know ? Who are we talking about ? - Cheney ? - the CIA ? Big Oil ?

    Can you cite any evidence ?

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    Have you been living under a rock for the last five and a half years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    If a plane's heading straight for the twin towers, where it will invariably kill more civilians, wouldn't it seem like the lesser of the evils would be to shoot it down?
    While it may be the lesser of two evils, I don't think any Commander would do it. The second guessing alone would finish any career. Nope I believe they would let the plane continue on and land or crash into something before being responsible for shooting down an airliner. Regardless if it was a second plane or not. The FAA was simultaneously tracking hundrreds of planes, those four dropped off radar as stoppeed answering the radios. This had never occurred before a decisionmakers were paralyzed. I hope there is a plan now. A lot of major cities have a CAP flight now. Sep 11th doubt it, the first Cold War was over.

    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    The 2000 election was contraversial- a lot of people didn't think Bush won legitimately at all, given the Florida debacle. Now, personally, I don't care that much- he's not my president, thank Christ (though I'm not going to say that our PM is a helluvalot better). But you must admit that September 11 was the best thing to happen to Bush, at least before the Iraqi war.
    Contreversial yes and will likely continue the last Republican and Democrat kill each meat cleavers on pay per view. It's a historical footnote.

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