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    Just curious, would you rather sit alone in the dressing room than with a custy who is good company but not really spending at the moment meanwhile observing what goes on around you, and watch new people coming into the club? I personally will walk away from any guy if I don't close my "wanna dance" hustle within 30 secs. I guess it could pay off if I was more patient and invested more time in a quality guy, guys want to feel special. I just find that not only I don't have much patience, but I actually lose money if I sit with a guy before asking him for a dance. I do best if I close right away, do my dance/dances and leave. It's all about volume for me.
    I also feel that guys should respect that dancers time=money, and if he's not spending the girls should not stick around, it only spoils the guy, so next time when he comes to the club he feels he deserves something for nothing. I see guys who will not buy one dance all night long, and when a girl approaches him and asks if he wants company, he'll say of course. Then after she sits there a little and asks for a dance he turns her down. He PLANS beforehand not to spend money but to get as many girls as he can to sit on his lap for free! That's why I will not agree to sit with a guy unless he's buying a dance from me. I believe it trains customers to respect our time. What do you girls think?
    On the other hand, sometimes there is a guy with money who doesn't like the "wanna dance approach" and will spend money on a smart girl who will give a great conversation. How do you know which of the guys is going to be a quick $20 and which one is worth investing time to get him spend more? I haven't figured it out so far.

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    Even when its slow I still make an attempt to sell men. Men who are experienced with the strip club scene know upon looking around that if it's slow, they can drag it out before shelling out some money. I sit with maybe a song or two before asking for a dance. If they decline I'll continue talking for another 1-2 extra songs. Usually this is when they get the dance. But in the event that they don't, I let them know that I enjoyed the conversation but I have to get back to work. I ask them when do they think they'll be ready for a dance.

    If there are only a few customer in the club, then I bounce to all of them. If dude is the ONLY person in the club, I go busy myself in the back.

    Add to edit: You have to realize that men have the upper hand where there are less men, and more dancers. they know this and so do you. take it upon yourself to really turn on "your hustle" and sell the dance. It's actually easier for me to sell dances when it's slower because I'm one of the few who actually takes the time to sell. I used to work in a "wanna dance" club. On the nights where it was just to slow to use that form of hustle, the girls didn't knwo what to do with themselves. I was usually the only one who could make any money because I look at hustling like a lightswitch! Less men=slower hustle More men=Faster hustle







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    Once I ask for a dance, 90% of the time if they say no, I'm out! But if there is no one else to, and I mean no one, then I'll stay for 1-2 monre songs

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    If they say no, I bolt as well. If they say no then you're either probably not his type or he's not going to spend money (a patron, not a customer). If I've approached everyone then I'd rather go sit in the back and relax; eat my lunch, fix my hair & makeup, organize my locker, etc. I'd rather sit in the back and take the time for myself than give away free time because we all know that customers suck the energy out of us, some more, some less. So if he ain't paying then I'm going to save my energy for someone who will. I've only got so much patience and so much energy inside me each night so I won't waste it on someone who's not spending. What I will do is check on the floor every few minutes to see if new customers have come in and at my club unless we're in VIP we go up on stage every 30 min so that gives me a little break and a chance to see if new prospects came in.

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    I would FAR rather sit alone either in the dressing room or at the bar than with a custy who isn't spending. Like exponentially more. I mean, it has happened that I've spent blocks of time with customers for free, and while knowing and intending it would be for free; but not often; even less so if they haven't already, at some point, spent money on me (and no, drinks don't count, unless I get a commission. The reason I work is to make money so I fund my own damn social life). I think mostly when girls do this they are:
    1) nervous, unsure and just putting off what they think is the inevitable "no". I can sympathize with this - I've been there, we've all been there and it sometimes takes a day or two to pull it together.
    2) dumb and worried about seeming "impolite" or "just in it for the money"
    3) amateurs or alcoholics who are working for drinks

    Personally I think it is wrong - and like I said I have engaged, but I don't think it's very clever - to hang out with customers for free. If nothing else you are blocking someone else's potential sale, and it is fostering a sense of entitlement.
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    Default Re: would you rather sit alone on a slow night?

    if it's SUPER slow then i will ask, and if i get a maybe later, ill stick around for 2 more songs and then ask again. if they say later a second time im out. but most times if i stick around and convo is good and flowing well they will take me for that dance. Always Be Closing.

    beyond that, i'd never sit alone as i said in the Helpful Things thread. I'll usually find a friend and either sit with them or go bullshit with the VIP host. or go browse outfits in the back of the dressing room. i find that sitting alone often looks bad when potential sales, custys, walk in.

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    I do "check backs". That way, the conversations stay short and positive, and I still look busy. On the first one, I just say hi/what's your name/what are you drinking/oh look I'm up soon gotta go!...On the second one I say just checking on you/you need a dance...if they say no, I say "well at least come see me on stage!" with a smile. Usually, the third convo starts because the customer approaches me, since we've developed a friendly vibe. This is when they either ask for a dance or I ask again. Some people are what I call "slow deciders". But, third time and that's it. I will waste no more time on them, but I always make eye contact/wink/smile when I walk past them throughout the night. I have had guys take forever to decide they want a dance then get a lot of them once they make up their mind.
    Above all, I NEVER sit alone or with just another dancer. I think it makes you look snotty or cold, not approachable. If you say hi to many people, it makes you look popular and friendly.

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    If it is slow, I will try to plant as many seeds as I can so hopefully the losers will get dances later. If I have talked to everyone, I will get a drink and go sit in the dressing room or talk to the dj. I never ever sit alone on the floor. As Chrissy stated, it makes you look like an unapproachable bitch. I may talk to a friend on the floor for a few minutes, but only for a few minutes. Try to look busy always. And the "well at least come see my onstage" line is a great tip (again, thanks Chrissy!). If they aren't planning on getting dances, hopefully they'll give you some cash on stage.

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    I have nothing left to say after I have asked for a dance and somebody says "no." Obviously they're not interested in me, so I would feel like an ass just sitting there and talking.

    That said, if it was super slow, I might sit and talk to customers for much longer than I normally would, just for something to do, before I ask them about which kind of dance they want to get from me

    But if I really put my best effort into it, and absolutely nobody was interested in me, I'd go sit at the bar (trust me, where I work, there's always like 10 girls up there) and chat with the other ladies for a while before I go walk around again.

    I don't like to feel like I'm walking in circles and burning holes in the carpet, lol, and when things aren't going my way I definitely need a minute to regroup.

    It would do nothing but irritate me to sit with a guy who wasn't going to spend any money... why should I work for free?
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    Re: would you rather sit alone on a slow night?

    My club never is empty, but the people who are there are cheap / not spending / hanging out, whatever.

    Making conversation wastes time, but if no one is getting dances or tipping, you GOT TO. (I usually wait for three songs to pass).

    I'll ask if they'd like to go in the back with me (where we do lap dances). If he says no, I'll ask him for a table-side or if he'd like to tip me for my time. If it's still no, I thank him for the conversation and tell him I'll be back around later.

    More often than not, fifteen minutes later he's chasing me down because I was the only girl who would say more than two words to.

    And, I notice the more people you randomly say hello to on the floor, (you don't even have to sit with them, just touch them on the shoulder while passing, and say "hey Handsome" or something) the more tips you'll get onstage as well.

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    My personality is my deadly weapon.. I'm really outgoing and love to laugh. If I get the vibe that he will buy a dance, I'll stay a little longer and turn on the charm. But, if all I've gotten are "no's" or the club is slow, I'll go hang out with the dj for a while. There are 2 different ones I work with but they're both freaking awesome and we'll end up laughing so loud and goofing off that custys want me to sit with them since they can see I'm fun and they end up getting dances! I just do my best to be approachable

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    Default Re: would you rather sit alone on a slow night?

    if its slow, Ill sit with a guy for two-three songs then if they dont buy a dance im out. most of the time they will at least buy a drink or tip on stage, so i dont view it as a complete waste of my time. then ill go in the back and read for for maybe 5-20 minutes, fix my makeup, work on homework, do whatever then Ill head back to the floor and see if any new guys have come in.
    if its slow, you gotta remember that competition can be fierce b/w the girls, so you have to stay on your toes and on the lookout for new guys walking in.
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    I will not donate my time for free. However you do need to do a slower hustle - 30 secs might be good for sat night when the club is busy but during the week it wont work usually.

    Take your time before u pop the question - if there is pretty much no one else in the club then yeh Id go back to the dressing room and have something to eat or talk to the other girls or make a phone call or text or whatever.

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    Id rather sit with great conversation. Example: Friday night:

    3 customers - 15 girls - NO ONE is spending... each guy had been asked for a dance by at least 5 girls...nothing. Anyway - I walk up to a guy and introduce myself -We chatted for a minute and he intrigued me somehow... dunno why? So we start talking and next thing I know a half hour has gone by and I have to go on stage. He goes up to watch and when I get off he asks me into VIP (2/$60) ok. Were in there 2 songs he says he wants longer but his money is in the car (he only brought $100 into the club) For some reason I believed he was actually going to the car to get money - typically Im a pessimist - he came back and we were in VIP for an hour. Had I wanna danced him and got a no (like the others) and went and sat on my butt in the dressingroom or at the bar Id have missed out on good money.

    I NEVER waste my time in the dressing room rather than chat with a custy - you just never know... ever... The thing that KILLS me is a bunch of girls sitting around looking bored, sitting at the bar or on the chairs in the back. Id rather sit and chat and even if nothing comes of it I LOOKED busy to the other customers therefor they assume Im something special. AND if I spend THAT MUCH time with a customer typically theyll spend money... like Friday night. What am I missing out on by sitting and chatting? I could be fixing my hair?

    Im curious what the philosophy behind it being better to sit around at the bar or in the back rather than chatting with a non paying (at first glance) customer. Personally I think its just as important to LOOK busy as to BE busy. All that matters is what the customers THINK. And if I look busy they assume I am busy and everyone knows for some reason its the girl that looks busy that ends up staying busy because customers assume shes something special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    Id rather sit with great conversation. Example: Friday night:

    3 customers - 15 girls - NO ONE is spending... each guy had been asked for a dance by at least 5 girls...nothing. Anyway - I walk up to a guy and introduce myself -We chatted for a minute and he intrigued me somehow... dunno why? So we start talking and next thing I know a half hour has gone by and I have to go on stage. He goes up to watch and when I get off he asks me into VIP (2/$60) ok. Were in there 2 songs he says he wants longer but his money is in the car (he only brought $100 into the club) For some reason I believed he was actually going to the car to get money - typically Im a pessimist - he came back and we were in VIP for an hour. Had I wanna danced him and got a no (like the others) and went and sat on my butt in the dressingroom or at the bar Id have missed out on good money.

    I NEVER waste my time in the dressing room rather than chat with a custy - you just never know... ever... The thing that KILLS me is a bunch of girls sitting around looking bored, sitting at the bar or on the chairs in the back. Id rather sit and chat and even if nothing comes of it I LOOKED busy to the other customers therefor they assume Im something special. AND if I spend THAT MUCH time with a customer typically theyll spend money... like Friday night. What am I missing out on by sitting and chatting? I could be fixing my hair?

    Im curious what the philosophy behind it being better to sit around at the bar or in the back rather than chatting with a non paying (at first glance) customer. Personally I think its just as important to LOOK busy as to BE busy. All that matters is what the customers THINK. And if I look busy they assume I am busy and everyone knows for some reason its the girl that looks busy that ends up staying busy because customers assume shes something special.
    I agree, I also dont understand the mantra of just sitting in the back gossiping. often I find its better to plant seeds and converse then give up. plus sometimes I find might someone intriguing for more than 30 secs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    Im curious what the philosophy behind it being better to sit around at the bar or in the back rather than chatting with a non paying (at first glance) customer. Personally I think its just as important to LOOK busy as to BE busy. All that matters is what the customers THINK. And if I look busy they assume I am busy and everyone knows for some reason its the girl that looks busy that ends up staying busy because customers assume shes something special.
    Oh, see, I just innately disagree. I think it is much, much more important to BE busy, and not to give away for free to some guys what I expect others to pay for.

    Also, a strip club is not conducive to great conversations. Not because I think I'm better than all the guys there, but because my role there is to entertain them; it is work for me, not for them. They don't have to entertain me - they just have to pay me.

    Also, I think you're working on something a little fallacious there - the idea that guys think because you look busy you're obviously really great and you proceed to make more money. It assumes that all these other guys watching you don't have dancers sitting there being charming with them; it assumes that guys are really spending money based on fairly amorphous, random criteria - I think most customers buy from me because of how I act with them, not because they've seen that I've danced for other guys; it assumes that guys don't expect you to sit just as long with them as you just sat with that other guy.

    I agree that it is important to try to not sit around the club looking bored; I just try to find ways of doing that that don't involve just giving it away. Hence interact with the staff, other dancers, try to have fun in some other way - or better yet, go home and come back when it's busy.
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    It's an effort for me to be peachy and social with most customers. There have been maybe two that I have met, in the entirety of my dancing, whom I would chill with for free, just because they made me laugh and were more fun than the girls in the changeroom. And they'd still spend money on me often enough.

    But 99% of the time, if the guy doesn't want to spend money on me, I'm outta there. I will go sit outside and smoke, all alone. That is way preferable.

    Sometimes when I get up to leave they're like "oh, but I don't mind your conversation, I just don't want a dance." So I say "hey sure! You can pay me to just talk and hang out!". Then they laugh and say "Oh, haha, I get it". So yeah, not like it's worth it with the crowds around here anyway. Cheap mofos.

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    I never sit around alone or looking bored out on the floor. If it's completely dead I'll go to the dressing room and read for three songs then go back out again. I always count exactly three songs, it's long enough for the energy to change and a few more guys to come in. If I don't count songs I'll keep running out there and getting frustrated. I find the socializing to be taxing and it's just not worth it to me to do it for free. I'll go around and be flirty and fun with each guy there and if they don't want a dance, no big deal. I disappear for that short while, for all they know I've been in VIP, and it gives me a chance to regroup and go back at it again.

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    Every club has those regulars who come into the club purely to drink and hardly (if at all) spend money on the dancers yet every dancer (or at least the regular dancers) seem to be 'friendly' with as such. I know this is true for a certain club up in Darwin which is mind numbing slow at times (especially Wednesday nights) plus the dressing room is just as much a waste of time sitting within because it is on the small side plus there is the fact that the manager that night will definately tell you off for being in the dressing room for such a long time.... so this is where they come into play.

    Even if I am not conversing with them I will still hang out with them. Yes I am "giving away my time for free" yet at the same time I am at least out on the floor able to see what is happening at any given moment and thus leave to "go work the floor" at any given moment as well whilst not being bored in the dressing room.

    I dunno. I just find them handy in helping to pass the time and fill in on those really slooooooooooooow nights.


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    I despise trolls who hang around clubs just to get a free show - that don't buy dances or tip, but love to strike up conversations and ask for dates (ha!). Never under ANY circumstances would I spend time with such a guy! Why send the signal that their behavior is ok?

    If theres a slow period though, there are certain guys I'll chat with for a few songs:

    * Guys who've already spent a lot of money on me. One of many things I do to make them feel genuinely appreciated and like less of a meal ticket. They always seem shocked that I'm paying them attention even though I took their money hours ago. Many times this has resulted in them buying another round of dances. Or getting bigger tips from them onstage.

    * Guys at the bar who don't buy dances, but who always tip me on stage. Because standing and conversing with someone draws more attention to me than sitting and conversing with someone. While doing my brief bar chat, I scan the room to see whos checking me out. Helps me sell dances.

    * The dj's. Always a source of entertainment!

    As much as I like most of the girls I work with, I avoid hanging out with them on the job like the plague. If they're alone, chances are, they're gonna bitch about how slow it is. And tell horror stories about the girls who made on X dollars. I don't need to be brought down by that, because being friendly and positive is THEE moneymaker for me.

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    No question, I'd rather sit alone. No strategy behind this, just preference. Like Jenny said, strip clubs aren't generally the places for good conversation, and we can only talk about where we're from and what we do in our spare time for so long. Not to mention, if a customer doesn't spend money on me, I tend to think he is a lame-ass who doesn't appreciate me, which doesn't make me wanna hang out much, either.

    Sitting at the bar may make you look stuck-up, but if you sit around with one guy for free, why would another guy want to pay for your time?

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    Many customers think girls sit for free and make money by selling dances only. Even if the guy you are sitting with is paying you for your time, which doesn't happen much in my clubs. So if I was to sit with one guy who is not spending just to look busy, another guy would think I give out company for free and he woould be less inclined to spend money on me. So I make a clear point to the men that my time is money and if he is not spending, I'd rather be alone than spoil some guy. Remember, if you give away time for free, next time this guy comes to the club he is going to EXPECT free company.

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    Its called prospecting and pre-selling. Any other salesperson in any other profession has to do it if they want a customer's business. The competition is simply too stiff.

    Now, on a busy night where everyone is spending, its a seller's market. But for the most part, the SC is a buyer's market.

    You can test this out easily by keeping a journal of your evening trying the "wannadance" versus sitting an "pre-selling". Try each technique out on a few different nights to test for stdev. Then see which one works best for you.

    Personally, I'd rather make some money than no money at all because I'm "too good" to chat with customers. But its your life.......

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    Katrine - most of us, I bet, do spend time with prospects before making the move. But there is a difference between chatting up a customer to make a sale, even if your judgment is bad, and just sitting there when the sale isn't going to happen to avoid sitting by yourself or because you don't want to seem rude or because you want other people in the bar to think you're busy.

    And you characterize it in a very provocative way - like "I'm too good" to sit with the customers; the accuracy of that notwithstanding, like I said - it is a simple matter of our respective roles. I'm there to entertain them. They are not there to entertain me. Hence - work for me, not for them. I have no desire to work for free; so unless there is some prospect of being paid for my labour, I'm not really interested in doing it.
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    Katrine - most of us, I bet, do spend time with prospects before making the move. But there is a difference between chatting up a customer to make a sale, even if your judgment is bad, and just sitting there when the sale isn't going to happen to avoid sitting by yourself or because you don't want to seem rude or because you want other people in the bar to think you're busy.
    Mix it up a little bit, "mingle" like a hostess. Take a few minutes to chat up a few potential prospects, stop by and greet management and DJ, bartenders, freshen up, etc. At least look busy.

    If the club is totally DEAD and there are 2 guys and 20 girls, well...not much you can do but stop by and see if you can turn it into 1 guy and 19 girls.

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