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    Okay, so I've been doing this a few weeks making about $100 a night for six hour shifts, having never made more than $200 a night (which has only happened twice). I was beginning to think that I am ugly or that there is something wrong with me when a girl said that I was just 'trying too hard' and that 'everyone has "their" nights'....
    She said that I should forget about how much I am making, need to make, etc., and just have a really good time, and I'll have my first $500 night, guaranteed....so I do as she says, and after tip-out.....ta-da....$5!!!!
    I didn't even make back gas money for getting there and back!
    I'm sick to death of hearing girls talking about their three and five and eight hundred dollar nights while I'm just as broke as I was before I started doing this, plus a whole new list of expenses (make-up, clothes, shoes, etc).
    I'm beginning to think that this was just a huge mistake on my behalf. This would be a great job if I could make a friggin' living doing it, and if I wasn't just wasting my time. Every night I work the other girls say things like
    "Don't judge this job by tonight, it's a dead night." and "Give it a good month before you give up, so-and-so didn't start making any money for awhile, either" and "You're going to do great, just give it some time..."
    I'm so tired of this!!
    I started doing this because I'm $1000 behind on my elec. bill, I go to school full time and have 3 year old twins, and I can't pay my rent! Now I still can't pay my rent, I'm sore all over, I'm exhausted, and I'm not any closer to eating something other than macaroni and cheese.
    What is going on here?
    I just want to cry!
    Am I doing something wrong? Am I doing everything wrong?
    The closest I came to any real money this week was some tool at the rack who was there with a bachelor party. I suggested that he buy his friend a dance and he said 'Oh I'm sorry, all I have are these $100 bills' with a big stupid smile on his face as he flashed a wad of hundreds in front of me.
    I went in the dressing room and I really did cry then
    I don't know what else to do
    What do you do when your 'last resort' isn't working?

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    first of all, you've only been doing it a few weeks. you need to give it time.

    second, being worried about not making money probably is affecting your hustle. i dont think that girl's advice was that bad. lots of us have posted about nights when we just dont care and we make more than normal.

    third.. even though it sucks, think about how you're making more doing this than you would at a "normal" job (probably).

    give it time, it'll get better!!

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    Read HH religiously, and focus on 1 new thing a night. sometimes it will work for you, sometimes it won't. If in 2 more weeks you're still broke, change jobs.

    how do you hustle now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    Okay, so I've been doing this a few weeks making about $100 a night for six hour shifts, having never made more than $200 a night (which has only happened twice). I was beginning to think that I am ugly or that there is something wrong with me when a girl said that I was just 'trying too hard' and that 'everyone has "their" nights'....
    I believe that's you in your Avatar - put any thoughts about you being too ugly aside. You look more than OK to me.

    I've just started a thread in the Newbie section - Advice for newbies from a customer: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87522

    If you read that you might find some of the answers you're looking for.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    She said that I should forget about how much I am making, need to make, etc., and just have a really good time, and I'll have my first $500 night, guaranteed....so I do as she says, and after tip-out.....ta-da....$5!!!!
    I didn't even make back gas money for getting there and back!
    This might be truer than you think. We come in as guys with all our illusions intact - including the fact that you like us and want to get naked for us.

    Thqt's what we're paying for - the fantasy that you really want to dance for us and it's not just the $20. If you are too hungry for money, it'll show in your body language and the fantasy will disappear.

    I know it's difficult for you - the bills you've got to pay must be weighing on your mind - but you must try and put those worries aside and concentrate on US.

    You've got something we want - the chance to see you naked - but you must give us what we want (our little fantasy) before you can start to earn money from us.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    I'm beginning to think that this was just a huge mistake on my behalf. This would be a great job if I could make a friggin' living doing it, and if I wasn't just wasting my time.
    Look, I know this isn't easy for you but flirt like hell with us. We come in to have our ego's stroked, to be told you like our company, that it's not just the money for you.

    Learn about body language and flirtation signals; stare lovingly in our eyes, stroke our hands, do everthing you can to convince us you like us. We're more likely to buy from you if we think you like us and are getting goosepimples about being naked in front of us.

    It's a strip club - you don't have to be totally honest with us.

    (And when you walk out the door you can forget all about us).

    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    I started doing this because I'm $1000 behind on my elec. bill, I go to school full time and have 3 year old twins, and I can't pay my rent! Now I still can't pay my rent, I'm sore all over, I'm exhausted, and I'm not any closer to eating something other than macaroni and cheese.
    This is the difficult bit. Put all your money worries out of your mind. If you have money worries they come through in your body language and us guy's realise you're not dancing for us because you like us - you're dancing because you need to pay the rent.

    Bye, bye fantasy and bye, bye sale.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    The closest I came to any real money this week was some tool at the rack who was there with a bachelor party. I suggested that he buy his friend a dance and he said 'Oh I'm sorry, all I have are these $100 bills' with a big stupid smile on his face as he flashed a wad of hundreds in front of me.
    I went in the dressing room and I really did cry then.
    You said it - he's a fu*king tool.

    Who's the better person - you, struggling to bring up twins, or him with the bg stupid smile on his face?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    I don't know what else to do
    Try and see things though a customer's eyes.

    Why has he come into the strip club - to enjoy himself.

    Concentrate on him as a person, and making him have a good time.

    If he starts having a good time, he'll start spending on you.

    Good luck....

    Phil.

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    Well, I try to seek out the guys who tip me onstage, the guys who make eye contact with me, the guys who 'look' interested. Then I go make conversation, introduce myself, etc...

    I ask them things like 'have you been in the baack yet tonight?' or 'would you like to help me get this dress off?'

    I try to come off like I care more about them than I do their wallets, and I end up getting a buttload of phone numbers and a bunch of excuses
    'I don't DO dances in the back'
    or
    'Do you like what you do?'
    or
    'You girls all sound the same'
    and even
    'You would look a lot better with a different hair color'
    but mostly
    'I don't buy dances'
    I don't get it, and my self-esteem has never spent more time in the toilet

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    "i don't buy dances"
    "well, there's a first time for everything "

    and are you talking to them a bit before just asking? if it isnt super busy, you can spend a few minutes talking to them first. that helps them feel like youre interested. also, try EVERY guy. not just the ones you think seem interested. maybe that's where you're going wrong.

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    Phil's post is perfect, not much more I can add, except to say that I've been there, I've felt like the 'ugly' girl because while everyone else was making money I couldn't, but it passed. You'll soon find your way, try to relax, try to enjoy yourself because although you don't realise it your stresses are probably showing through and that's offputting to the customers.
    Honestly, it will get better.

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    thanks to all of you!

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    It sounds like you need to read hustle hut a bit, polish your skills. There are ways to handle objections, and make the sale, and you need to learnthem. Someitmes..nothign you can do will change their mind, but other times, it will work.
    For example, when that guy said he only had hundreds, what did you say to him? Anything?
    I woudl have said, thats ok, hun. I have change.
    If he said, no, I dont want to break it, I might have said something like what? You just flashin all that money to show off?
    (prob. not the best thing to say, but its the first thing that popped into my head)

    Some girls get this job immeadatly. They are just naturally good at it. Other girls need to work at it. The advice you were given was not bad. You do need to stop worrying about the money and have fun. Guys can sense when your stressed out, or in need of money, and it turns them off. You need to act like you dont care about the cash, you truly enjoy there time, the cash you get is just cause your working and need to be paid.

    Read hustle hut. Read something motivation. When you walk into work, leave all yoru stress, money issues, kids, leave it all behind. In the club, that person doesn't exist. In the club, your just a hot, sexy fun girl, without a care in the world.

    Hang in there....it will get better

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    If it's slow, or at the beginning of the night talk to them 3 songs, 5 max (each club is different but this is my hustle keep in mind) then say something like and act like a ditzy blonde "Hehe I'm so ready to get naked for you!!! You're ready to see me naked, aren't you?" (the whole time you're nodding your head so they say yes) If I were you, I'd just concentrate on doing table dances and work the stage for tips until you feel more comfortable. It took me a long time before I got really good on my game with getting customers to the VIP. Try making "friends" with the floorhosts, bouncers and offer them a nice tip if they get you VIP customers. I did that and almost always got VIP's because of them. I no longer work with the hosts because I can do it all on my own now but what it did was it taught me how to do it better. When they'd send me to a guy(s) I was confident they wanted a VIP, so I learned how to close sales. Then I started branching off on my own and learned how to "pick out" good candidates. When I first started I would only approach customers that either tipped me or the floorhost sent me to. Now I try to approach everyone, as many as I can. At least half the time the customers I take back to VIP were ones that didn't tip me on stage and didn't show interest in me.

    Keep reading through hustle hut, it's helped me a lot. And read some sales books or better yet get some of those audio books and you can listen to them in the car or while you're taking a bath, cleaning the house, etc. The one that helped me the most was "Psychology of Selling & Psychology of closing". I got that from a stripper colleague as an audio book when I first started because I was going through the same problems as you. After listening to that audio cd several times and taking notes, it helped immensely! Don't give up!!!! What the other girls are saying is true, it does take a while before you start hitting the 500's-800's. So my advice is to focus hard on floordances & stage tips, and after you listen to the cd's try a little more with vips. But NEVER waste too much time with a guy. If they say "I don't get dances" then get up and walk away! Don't even say bye, you're wasting your breath if you do. If you see this guy is going to be a time waster, then move on as fast as you can because time is money! Good luck sweetie, you can do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876 View Post
    when I first started because I was going through the same problems as you.
    I can remember a certain Leogirl saying "how do I make money?" about 1,055 posts ago. Nice to know you've cracked it.

    Hopefully, in about another 1,000 posts time, we'll see AvaAdore gving advice to the next generation of newbies!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876 View Post
    If they say "I don't get dances" then get up and walk away! Don't even say bye, you're wasting your breath if you do. If you see this guy is going to be a time waster, then move on as fast as you can because time is money!
    I'll gently disagree here.

    Always leave gracefully. You never know if us customers are going to have a change of heart and "OK, have a good time. Hope to see you later" only takes 30 seconds to say.

    Even if he's not having dances, maybe his mate will remember the girl who smiled nicely when she left.

    Phil.

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    Yes, always exit gracefully, you never know who might be watching.

    The guy at the table next to time waster, who has a couple grand to blow, thought you were hot, and then saw your bitchy exit, but he doesn't know the reason why.

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    The guy with $100 bills? Tell him you'll get him change after the dance!

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    Hey that's a good idea to offer a better tip to the floor guys, that could have been my problem last friday night only walking out with about 200 dollars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAdore View Post
    The closest I came to any real money this week was some tool at the rack who was there with a bachelor party. I suggested that he buy his friend a dance and he said 'Oh I'm sorry, all I have are these $100 bills' with a big stupid smile on his face as he flashed a wad of hundreds in front of me.
    I went in the dressing room and I really did cry then
    I don't know what else to do
    What do you do when your 'last resort' isn't working?
    So, explain to me why you walked to the dressing room again? Because had that happened to me, I'd just smile and say "OK so how many were you buying the bachelor" all while I'm sticking my hand out, and pulling the bachelor to the back.

    I would also let him know, if he only wanted one dance, that he'd get his change after the dance. I never walk away from money, only when I get a no, and hell even then I still try one last time.

    If you want to get better in your sales pitch, I suggest reading hustle hut. There is a wealth of information in that thread!







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    Quote Originally Posted by LatinaRose View Post
    The guy with $100 bills? Tell him you'll get him change after the dance!
    I was thinking, "Well I guess we can start off with 5 dances then!".

    Out of curiousity's sake, what club are you working at?

    A piece of advice that I like to give new girls is to not tell the customer you're new. In some clubs new girls bank, in other clubs new girls become magnets for time wasters and guys who will lecture you for an hour about not becoming a stripper. Sometimes it will be obvious that you're new by the way you dance, but just tell them you danced a while ago and you're just getting back into it.

    I struggled for a couple months at first, and then ended up switching clubs cause I moved. Finding the right club for you is important. You haven't been doing it long enough to really know which is best for you, but starting at a high price high hustle club is hard for any newbie.

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    I work at Mademoiselle Folie Bergere in Buffalo, NY

    a.k.a. Madem's

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    I have a lot to say to you, but im firs tgoing to refer you to this thread a few below, Helpful Things, i covered a shitton of stuff really good for newbs in there, complete with stuff about the getting numbers issue (covered in round three i think).

    * you are making matters worse on yourself crying at work. you cannot think about money. that's when you wont make a dime. that advice the girl gave you was GOOD advice not worst ever. relaxing, as stated above, makes the guys think they have a good fighting chance with you, that you REALLY like them. always smile, always laugh. and always be closing!

    *dont ask yes and no questions when asking to dance.. statements only. "ok, enough chat! im ready for some real fun! let's go!" and stand up.

    *the guys who flash 100s aren't there to spend it. the guys who show you money RARELY spend it, but the lines stated above all work to try on him. but it was a bachelor party and that should mean he;ll spend some of it, even if he is just a money flasher. using the line stated above, "oh, great, i can get you change," works. in fact, i carry around change for this reason. always be able to break 10s to 5s and 20s to 10s, and esp 100s to 20s.

    *last resort: i never get there. why? because i ALWAYS keep a positive frame of mind even when no one is making money. but always pep yourself up, talk to yourself, and never ever be YOU at work, letting things get to you. put on the facade of your stripper persona on your way to work.

    *guys who dont get dances: "oh, that's a shame i give a hot dance. (pause wait for reaction, if he's not changing his mind, ill quote emily here on this) i am really enjoying talking to you, even though im at work. most guys understand that and want to compensate me for my time, maybe we can work something out, since we are both enjoying ourselves together!"

    youll get this soon enough.. get to readin!

    Love it!

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    Also, read the articles on the site's intro page to the left!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    I can remember a certain Leogirl saying "how do I make money?" about 1,055 posts ago. Nice to know you've cracked it.

    Hopefully, in about another 1,000 posts time, we'll see AvaAdore gving advice to the next generation of newbies!!!



    I'll gently disagree here.

    Always leave gracefully. You never know if us customers are going to have a change of heart and "OK, have a good time. Hope to see you later" only takes 30 seconds to say.

    Even if he's not having dances, maybe his mate will remember the girl who smiled nicely when she left.

    Phil.
    Yeah, you're right I should leave on good graces. I think the ones I don't leave on good graces are the ones that several times call me over to their table, just shoot the sh*t and then pull the "I don't do dances, why don't you come hang out with us when you get off work", it's usually those types that I get frustrated and get up and leave.

    Yes, Phil, I did post threads about 1,000 ago and boy was I clueless!!! I was kinda freaking out just like OP is. All I can say to OP is be patient with yourself. I know how hard it is to see girls walking around with big stakes of money but you'll get there, they didn't learn how to make that kind of money over night. And there's girls (at least in my club) will take a $100 bill and put it at the top of their money which was a hundred dollar bill they made another night just to look like they're banking more. So you never know how much each girl is making, heck, girls will often lie about what they make. Just worry about what you're doing, keep reading hustle hut, get the books I told you about and before you know it, you'll start figuring out your hustle. Just be patient, try to focus on doing mostly table dances by doing as many as you can crank out and then focus on VIP because that does take time to fine tune and to get the confidence in it! I think the confidence in it that you know you're worth that time is the hardest part of the hustle to overcome (at least it was for me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876 View Post
    Yeah, you're right I should leave on good graces. I think the ones I don't leave on good graces are the ones that several times call me over to their table, just shoot the sh*t and then pull the "I don't do dances, why don't you come hang out with us when you get off work", it's usually those types that I get frustrated and get up and leave.
    \
    That's when you give them the sweetest smile and say "thanks, it was great talking to you, I'm going to go make money now..." but do it right in the middle of whatever they're saying! So if another customer kind of is watching you (and no, assumingly, like a hawk) they'll see your pleasant body language and smile but not realize you just toootally dissed some motormouth.

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    i work in a small club in wyoming but one way i often take pressure off myself to earn money is to set little goals like 60 dollars and then when i reach 60 i aim for 100 and so on. some nights my friend and i even set our goal at not to earn 100 dollars. it helped me to beccome one of the top earners in my club. another easy way for me to break the ice is to tell a slightly off color joke
    ie-why do blondes wear underwear- to keep their ankles warm.(btw im a blonde) i find if get a smile guys are more open to talk to me. dont know if it will help you but i hope it does


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    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876 View Post
    The one that helped me the most was "Psychology of Selling & Psychology of closing".
    Who's the author?

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    on a side note: almost every guy who FLASHES 100s never intends to spend them or will only spend them on girls willing to do extras. i'd say 90% of the times i've banked on someone it's been with a customer who was relaxed and polite. a lot of guys flash money around because they have the stripper stereotype stuck in their head "if i show her this she'll go past her limits for it" or because they're bitter and want you to feel rejected because you aren't "getting any of this".

    it's all a load of BS. don't buy into it.

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    I worked at your club one night and coming from a super hard hustle place like LA, Madame's was easy for me.
    What worked?
    I noticed a lot of the girls weren't being very aggressive with the customers. They would sit and wait or BS and get drunk with them at the bar rather than taking a proactive approach to flirting and selling dances. I worked the room from left to right, starting in the VIP bar area and smiling my whole way over to the right. As fruity as this is gonna sound, I am a very visual person (artist type) so I pictured the hustle floor as a giant rainbow and there were little pieces of gold (the customers) sprinkled throughout the colors. I happened to start with the older men, and then focused on younger guys who were tipping the stage. I found that the younger ones who weren't with a group of friends and enjoying the girls were a waste of time.
    I adapted my approach according to whom I was speaking to also. For the older gentlemen, I spoke without slang and used my intelligence to win them over, but I gave them the same kind of respect you would give to your elders. The older man who is attracted to a younger woman tends to want to teach HER things and have her be a bit naive. They also like to be a bit protective.
    The younger guys wanted to know all about my freaky side and if I would be scandalous in the LD area...I played on their stereotypes of me being wild and used it to sell dances. I talked a lot of shit, but never promised anything sexual.
    I NEVER sat with anyone for more than 2 songs. I smiled without being overeager. I was confident, but not too much. Give them JUST enough to be interested in you, but never anything for free! This will increase the value of the service you are selling. Same goes for not compromising your integrity and boundaries because you are desperate for money. Believe me, the damage that it does to you for the rest of the night can show in your posture and face.

    Remember that you deserve QUALITY customers! You will attract them if you put out that energy.

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