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    Default Re: Don Imus ... free speech near to becoming 'officially sanctioned' speech

    ^^ LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leilanicandy View Post
    I am not getting what you are trying to say!
    ahh...irony.

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    Default Re: Don Imus ... free speech near to becoming 'officially sanctioned' speech

    In other words, in this instance, he was not:

    "on the forefront of attacking the rich White boys via equivelant racial stereotype comments."
    I have tried to let this thread drop, because any follow-up comment is risky. But since this issue seems unresolved, let me say this.

    In the case of the Duke Rape Case, Rev. Al evoked a clear racial stereotype in portraying the 'rich, white boys' as the modern day equivalent of slaveowner 'massas' - who he speculated therefore felt entitled to 'have their way' with the poor black dancer - whom he further attempted to portray as a modern day victim of persistent ante-bellum white superiority attitudes in the state of NC.

    While the media gave Rev. Al a 'pass' in this regard, nevertheless it came across as an offensive racial cheap shot to a whole lot of people. Of course the people affected by Rev. Al's cheap shot were white, so that apparently makes what he said OK. But this was the basis for many non-mainstream media pieces pointing out Rev. Al's hypocracy.

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    I can only imagine what will follow after these comments.

    Honestly my own personal point of view is this. Hate to bring up the past but look at the Black & White history. For years and years i have been lucky enough to be called a nigger maybe 6 times in my whole life and had stones thrown at me walking home by age 13. Not saying that this should make me endure racism on whites because most of my family is white. Being that i consider myself a WOC against all odds because that is what i am prejudged as anyways. It is not a easy task for WOC who making a stride in their lives to be called nappy headed ho's by some man who before this I am about 87% sure none of them had a clue who he was as Noone knew who "Michael Richards" was before his rant. All that im saying it is...IT is WAAY too easy for upper class people portrayed in the media to get away with too much freedom of speech. I am sure i cannot go on radio and TV saying crackers and honkies and making derogatorry statements against whites or any other race for that matter. I'd probabaly be arrested and shanked. I do not think it's neccessary for Al Sharpton even tho i am not a fan of his to apolgize to the lacrosse players for assuming what he thought to be true. Even if they did not do it, I'm sure they are not apolgizing for some of the statements i read by them in various interviews google it.

    i could not agree more with what this man said after the kramer incident.

    Furthermore that so many people could speak with so little real knowledge of the tremendous worldwide suffering white people have caused to every other race in the last 1000 years or so.

    Its easy for you to smother peoples arguements by sheilding yourself with "don't use the race card" arguements.(WTF is the race card anyway?) What are your arguments and thoughts about racism based on? A feeling you get? Research you have done? People you have talked to? What is it based on? And why do you, if you are not black, and have not been subjected to any real racism, the racism that people of color face every day of thier life, get to decided whether or not this is important, or whether or not this is serious? Move on! It's no big deal!

    The mere fact that you can say that shows that you have no real awareness of the situation of people of color on this earth, nor of racism in general.

    Racists are not just people with KKK hood over thier heads and boogey men in lynch mobs. Racism was not just a problem during the civil war and only in America and only against blacks.

    The fact that you don't openly refer to black people as n*ggers, does not mean that you are not a racist. And when someone does say something such as our friend MR said, they are not going temporarily insane. Those words are based on feelings that are inside him. and those feelings are racist.

    People do not go crazy and belittle whole races of people with terrible insults, if that is not something that is already inside of him.

    I felt for him during his apology, but the reason it was not a real apology was because he claimed he was crazy and he was sorry for being crazy and doing crazy things.

    He needs to say he is racist and he's sorry for being a racist and doing racist things.


    WE would all love to believe that these things do not associate with each other but the bigger problems is what is being said about every person who is not white. I have heard some of the most disgusting things said on air about Mexicans, Iraqis etc...Racism will never stop it just keeps on evovling and people like IMUS and Sharpton and Richards should not be allowed to have frre speech if they are going to use to insult and sterotype something that a person cannot help as their skin color or hair texture it is a true disappointment.

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    WE would all love to believe that these things do not associate with each other but the bigger problems is what is being said about every person who is not white
    seriously not wanting to fan any flames here, but why is it that you feel that racist remarks made about non-white people are more serious than racist remarks made about white people ? Why is it that you feel Rev Al has no reason to apologize for potentially career ruining remarks about the Duke boys that 'he thought to be true', while Imus should not only apologize but also be fired and have his career ruined for remarks that he may similarly have 'thought to be true' ? Arguably there is a huge double standard coming into play ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    seriously not wanting to fan any flames here, but why is it that you feel that racist remarks made about non-white people are more serious than racist remarks made about white people ? Why is it that you feel Rev Al has no reason to apologize for potentially career ruining remarks about the Duke boys that 'he thought to be true', while Imus should not only apologize but also be fired and have his career ruined for remarks that he may similarly have 'thought to be true' ? Arguably there is a huge double standard coming into play ...

    You know I have not met to many white people who have been target for racism. Yet I know it dose happen, which is sad! Racism affect all people. Rascim is a form of hate. Which dose not make it right at all!

    I dont think rev al ruin the career of the dukes boys. The girl who lied about the rape did! She was the one that trash thier names. People just stood behind her because they felt she had been abuse by those boys. Imus is not right at all for his racist remarks. If you make racist remarks that is no right to it! Not only did he make racist remarks. He made sexist statements toward women. THis man is known to target women. I dont see anybody talking about that!

    Mel I know you are proud of your race. Hell you should be. There is nothing wrong with that! yet racism and sexism should not be tolerated from no race. The duke boys, where done wrong, very wrong! It is not nobody fault for believeing a victim. Or least someone you thought was a victim.


    Hey mel since we are talking about how certain people favors certain races. What about the black man that was put in jail for twenty years because a white woman said he rape her. There was no DNA evidence, no proof just her word! See These things happen all the time. Yet this man dose not have money like the dukes boys. Yet he was clear form all charges, his name is finally going to be cleared! Now he have to re- establish is life.

    What happen to the Duke boys was not right! What happen to black man was not right! Yet they where punish anyway, only difference is the duke boys had money to hired a lawyer. Yet the black man did not!

    As far as the rev al and him being racisit, I found him to say a lot things that was not right! Yet that do not mean we should let this type behavior keep going!
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    Why don't we focus on attacking IDEAS instead of people ?

    I acknowledge a very unhappy history of race relations in this country and I don't mind that Imus lost his job for his despicable comments. So what ? I'm serious. What does "white racism" have to do with black on black crime or a 70% out of wedlock birth rate among black women ? It isn't white racists "tomcatting" around doing all that impregnating , is it ? White people aren't going around saying "don't snitch" or using misogynist language about black women. Black rappers are.

    When "real racism " is encountered there is recourse - administrative proceedings and lawsuits. Same for "sexism". Witness the latest where an NYPD sergeant and male Officer are under investigation for referring to three female officers using the same words Imus did.BUT when it's Al Sharpton shooting off his mouth BEFORE all the facts are in, very little seems to happen to him other than a few wagging fingers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    White people aren't going around saying "don't snitch" or using misogynist language about black women. Black rappers are.
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    What's the rent running ya for that deluxe "under a rock" penthouse on Oblivious Avenue?
    Don't you watch "60 Minutes" ? Oh btw. You're fired ! I'm tired of you forgetting to vacuum the corners of my "Penthouse".

    Can we stop the silliness now or do you insist on showing off that rapier wit of yours ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Don't you watch "60 Minutes" ? Oh btw. You're fired ! I'm tired of you forgetting to vacuum the corners of my "Penthouse".

    Can we stop the silliness now or do you insist on showing off that rapier wit of yours ?

    hey, hey now! Why cant we all just get along! ^^^^^


    Our younger generation, not just blacks and whites. But other racist such as mexians, puerto Ricans, polish, and other races. I see is following down a not so good path. This I believe is because the images we see on tv. I think America uncensor has gone to far. The children of all races are having sex to young. Men to not uphold there responiblities, women are sometimes way to loose. Not that we suppose to be holy than art thou. It this unclean and healthy behaivor is changing how are young america. Is thinking, doing, and living in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Don't you watch "60 Minutes" ? Oh btw. You're fired ! I'm tired of you forgetting to vacuum the corners of my "Penthouse".

    Can we stop the silliness now or do you insist on showing off that rapier wit of yours ?
    The "silliness" is you stating that Whites don't go around using misogynist language about Black women.

    Now that you mention it...,I wonder if I could have done a better job of vacumning if that huge spool of white "linen" fabric had been properly secured, and didn't get caught in the rotor. Hmm

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    Let's keep the racist shit out of this. i won't hesitate to point/ban for it.

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    Ey? IS members board moderated now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by seraya View Post
    Ey? IS members board moderated now?
    I'd like to know the answer to that too. I thought that was the point of this section

    Also, if it is moderated, who exactly are the mods of THIS SECTION? And do I need to start a thread in site issues to gain clarity on mod's and their area/s of responsibilty?

    Cuz... I'm confused, I thought the mayor of "Dallas" (for example) ran that city, not the entire nation.
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