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    Half the things I read say avoid dairy, it is bad. the other half I read says get more dairy, its good for you.
    Now, I have switched to soy milk, as I dont think cow's milk is any good. To many hormones.
    But what yogurt? That's good for you. But if all dairy is bad, then yogurt is bad and should be avoided as well.
    What about cheese? Is dairy free cheese even any good? Thoes veggie spreads cheese I see...do they even taste good? I love cheese. I am not gonna give it up, but I would love a healthier substitute.
    I'm confused about dairy.

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    This is like the egg/eggwhites/yolk debate.

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    IMO ditch the soy - google for dangers.
    As for milk I think some is ok, not alot though. Most people tend to over do the dairy thing. Best to use A2 organic milk though or goats milk if you can get it.
    If you google the A2 thing you should find alot of studies about the differece between milk from Jerseys and Friesians etc and associated health problems or lack of.
    Im a fan of plain yogart. I believe fermented milk products / acidopholis are pretty important in the diet.

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    I think it depends on the person. I gave up dairy, and find that my allergies have been much better. I have heard that dairy can lead to excess mucus production---this seems to be the case for me. Agree with Aussie about the soy thing--I use almond milk or rice milk. To get the benefits of yogurt, I take a probiotic capsule each day.

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    dairy really depends on you. if you're of nordic bloodlines, or masaai, afghan, etc, where they've historically consumed plenty of dairy, then it is probably fine. otherwise, you should play it by ear and if you can afford fresh/organic or even raw dairy products, go for those. but if most dairy products make you sick, it is not bad to lay off them. most people can't eat much in the way of dairy anyhow.

    the only thing is that dairy is not as ideal a protein source as meat or plants, curiously enough.

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    I do not believe that dairy is good for you at all. If you do drink/eat anything containing milk make sure it is organic so you avoid the hormones.
    Soy is also dangerous because about 85% of all soy products in the US come from genetically modified soy beans. I noticed that some brands like Silk are organic and state that their soy beans are not genetically modified. But moderation is best. there is controversy over the estrogen levels

    Other alternatives:

    rice milk

    almond milk
    (you can make yourself - soak 1 cup raw almonds overnight. blend in Vitamix blender with 6 cups water until creamy. Strain in extremely fine strainer or cheesecloth. )

    coconut milk
    (1 coconut, along with the coconut water found within
    2 cups distilled water
    -Break coconut into chunks, place in blender with water, and blend till smooth, strain)

    Rhonda's creamy banana milk

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    milk has a lot of hormones in it, there's no way around that. that's why girls nowadays are going through puberty earlier, not solely because of milk, but hormones from meat and dairy products. milk also contains pus. mm!

    yogurt has bacteria in it however that are really beneficial to your body, but often contains tons of sugar.


    one thing you really have to watch out for with dairy is added vitamin D. usually your body will produce as much vitamin D as it needs just from the sun, and what your body uses it for is to aid in calcium absorption. the idea behind the milk growing strong bones concept is that milk has calcium, and then adding vitamin D helps your body process it. in actuality, if you get too much vitamin D, your body will leach calcium from your bones where it's already stored, and since most milk is D and hormone enriched, the more you drink, the worse the problem is.

    i drink light soymilk (i find silk to be the smoothest and best tasting, plus it's organic) and eat no dairy (or meat or eggs or anything) whatsoever. more protein, more vitamins, less fat, and no cholesterol.


    Edit: Dairy free cheese is also more of a disappointment than it ever is good. cheese has a high fat content, but if you limit your intake it's no worse for you than anything else really.
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    the good thing i can add to this as a milk-allergic soul is that Tofutti cream cheese is fan-freakin-tastic!! and SO Delicious ice cream is damn good too. im a Vanilla Silk fan.

    Love it!

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    Basically, I'm looking for fat free or low fat subsitiutions. Since finding otu I have IBS, apparently, dairy is to be avoided, as is higher fat food items.

    I was just curious if fat free dairy was better than light soymilk, which is what Im drinking now.
    It seems to me, the best thing is to drink fatfree organic milk.

    Now what am I gonna do about cheese? I love cheese sooo much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    This is like the egg/eggwhites/yolk debate.

    The world may never know...
    Not true!! Plenty of info to back it up.

    I started drinking soy milk about 7-8 years ago, only bc that's all my mom would buy, hated it at first, then got strangely adjusted to it...

    Then what happened was an intolerance to milk that I never knew existed. The less dairy I ate, the less I wanted and the more it made me sick even in small amounts.

    That's yr body telling you it's healthier w/o it, and rejecting a foreign substance...

    There are too many chemicals and unnatural substances in dairy, so when you can get all yr nutrients in pure format, why do it? It's like when ppl say...oh but meat has so much protein---well %80 of yr steak is toxins and hormones.

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    Oh yea, I still can't even drink fat-free dairy. (Up till the age of 15 I was a WHOLE-MILK FANATIC! couldn't get me near the diet crapola version of anything!!)

    If you just stop dairy altogether, you won't crave it and won't miss it, you will feel an aversion to it actually. But not at first, be patient!

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    Well...I went out and bought fat free organic milk. Seems the best of both worlds. No hormones and puss, yet its still dairy milk, so no dangers of soy( I googled that...suprising, thanks aussie)
    While I was at it, I got some organic free range eggs to.
    And fat free cheddar cheese.
    Wanna guess what I'm having for breakfast?

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    I have an idea.

    Let's all only take vitamins and grow our own plants so there's no hormones/toxins/pesticides/dirt/unhealthy stuff so we can just live forever.

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    Dairy-free cheese tastes like ass. Fat-free cheese tastes like rubber. When it comes to cheese, only the real thing is worth eating! It's actually good for you, especially if you work out with weights. Dairy fat helps repair the torn muscles more quickly. The guy at my gym says to always have a little bit of cheese after a workout.

    I LOVE cheese, can't live without it. Other dairy products... meh. Could take or leave them.

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    search dr. mercola he says dairy is GREAT for you but unpasturized if possible and full fat .. i read a blurb about anytime fat is removed its possible powdered milk (which is sprayed and causes the cholesterol to do weird things) is added to give the creamy mouth taste.. garynull.com says no animal products period and he's an old toad that still runs marathons ..though he eats fish i think.. a few years ago i saw a photo that turned me off meat.. i thought no meat in my diet and id wither away but i'm actually better i think.. my nails are stronger my hair is growing better blah blah all the signs i think of pretty good health .. i still eat free range eggs (feel they come from happy chickens i hope) and fish ...wild caught so they live a pretty happy life up til the end.. for dairy.. i saw a you tube video "milk gone wild" and it was girls lifting their shirts like the other video but with milk udders.. anyways after the humor it switched to dairy farms.. blah im very sensitive and it turned my stomach towards dairy.. since their are pros and cons giving it up cant kill me.. i HAVE to have my coffee with half and half but after that i cant even stomach that.. so for me its dairy free .. i have a protein shake made from rice and pea protein and take calcium supplements so will monitor the tell tale signs like skin and hair and nails and not getting sick.. supposidly getting rid of dairy reduces mucus .. i always seem to have a stuffy nose but thought it was from having so many cats and not liking to dust my house .. so we will see..
    As for soy being bad this is a great debate.. what ive gotten from my readings is the texturized soy protein is what is bad... fake meat foods.. but soy milk (made from must whole soybeans) miso and tempeh are the kind that have been in diets for thousands of years and give the health benefits.. its the strange meat substitutes that have hit the market in the past twenty years that are causing the issues.. just do a google and read read read.. dr. mercola and gary null i think have a lot of science behind them and wouldn't have any corporate sponsors to sway their thoughts.. i "think" the anti soy thing came from 2 women that were pro dairy and got proceeds from the dairy industry.. big bucks.. i dont know the whole story or i'd post it.. but just read read and listen to your body

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    I don't think you need it to be healthy. I question the whole pushing this 3 glasses of milk a day.

    Unpasteurised, organic dairy is probably okay though.

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    It's healthy in moderation/portion control... though many a vegan would disagree and say it's a no-no.
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    Watch out- if you cut out dairy, you won't be able to add it back! I'm Norwegian (of dairy-fed, lactase-producing stock), and I cut out milk for a year as an experiment...and now I'm lactose intolerant. I can still eat cheese and yogurt, as they have their own lactose-breaking-down enzymes included, but straight milk, ice cream? Nyet, no more. Not a huge loss in my books, but something worth considering before you experiment with cutting out dairy.

    I'm not an advocate of dairy substitutes either...some soy milk once in awhile is dandy, but have you ever checked the ingredients of fake (soy) cheese? It's basically pure hydrogenated fat. That's waaaay worse than a bit of cow puss, imo.

    Small amounts of organic dairy is probably a good thing overall. Depends on the rest of your diet, of course...dairy should be consumed in small quantities, imo, not the vats-at-a-time that the Dairy council (or whoever) makes us think we need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver View Post
    Watch out- if you cut out dairy, you won't be able to add it back! I'm Norwegian (of dairy-fed, lactase-producing stock), and I cut out milk for a year as an experiment...and now I'm lactose intolerant. I can still eat cheese and yogurt, as they have their own lactose-breaking-down enzymes included, but straight milk, ice cream? Nyet, no more. Not a huge loss in my books, but something worth considering before you experiment with cutting out dairy.

    I'm not an advocate of dairy substitutes either...some soy milk once in awhile is dandy, but have you ever checked the ingredients of fake (soy) cheese? It's basically pure hydrogenated fat. That's waaaay worse than a bit of cow puss, imo.
    Agreed with both points, but like I said not being able to add it back is good, people live long(er) healthy lives when you eat how yr body tells you...I actually didn't know that about cheese and yogurt, thanks for that info, I was wondering why I can still eat pizza, which is the only dairy I can/want to eat these days...I dunno I had about 4 yogurts last year just to see what would happen, and each time they bothered me, the Silk is okay because it still has acidophilous benefits (does that mean it has animal products)?

    And IMO the only thing they can never get right is the cheese subsitutes--I can't do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    Then what happened was an intolerance to milk that I never knew existed. The less dairy I ate, the less I wanted and the more it made me sick even in small amounts.

    That's yr body telling you it's healthier w/o it, and rejecting a foreign substance...
    Nah, that's not true. It's just that when you stop eating certain things, your body stops producing the enzymes that break them down. In this case, the enzyme is lactase. This makes sense since, during our evolutionary history, we only had to break down milk during the first few years of life, while we were nursing. So, I think the body is programmed to quit producing lactase when a person stops drinking milk, as part of the natural weaning process.

    Scarlett, is it really true that you can "never go back"? I was under the impression that with certain things, your body will start producing the necessary enzymes after awhile...That's why people tell you when you first go vegetarian that the more beans you eat, the better you'll be able to digest them. But it might be different with milk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina View Post
    . This makes sense since, during our evolutionary history, we only had to break down milk during the first few years of life, while we were nursing. So, I think the body is programmed to quit producing lactase when a person stops drinking milk, as part of the natural weaning process.
    Hmm that's interesting actually, never knew that. Well, at least we can safely say yr body rejecting it proves you can live without it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    I have an idea.

    Let's all only take vitamins and grow our own plants so there's no hormones/toxins/pesticides/dirt/unhealthy stuff so we can just live forever.
    Uh, no one is talking propaganda-talk here but you...we're just having a discussion.

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    Scarlett, is it really true that you can "never go back"? I was under the impression that with certain things, your body will start producing the necessary enzymes after awhile...That's why people tell you when you first go vegetarian that the more beans you eat, the better you'll be able to digest them. But it might be different with milk.
    It's true for me, because I'm stubborn and do have ice cream and stuff sometimes, and it never fails to twist my stomach. Yet I do have a bit of creamer in my coffee everyday, and that bit is fine...so I dunno. Maybe I just have a lesser ability to produce lactase now, but not a complete inability.

    I also drink soy protein shakes every other day that have lactose as an ingredient...those make my stomach twist too.

    I've never heard of the bean thing? Fwiw, even newbies to beans can avoid the fartiness by soaking overnight and rinsing them well before cooking!

    one thing you really have to watch out for with dairy is added vitamin D. usually your body will produce as much vitamin D as it needs just from the sun, and what your body uses it for is to aid in calcium absorption. the idea behind the milk growing strong bones concept is that milk has calcium, and then adding vitamin D helps your body process it. in actuality, if you get too much vitamin D, your body will leach calcium from your bones where it's already stored, and since most milk is D...enriched, the more you drink, the worse the problem is.
    Say what? Can you link to some scientific data to back this up?

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