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    they also said that after he entered the building, he chained the doors shut so no one could get out.

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    How in the Hell was he able to shoot so many people before he was stopped? God. Did he have an automatic weapon?

    Fucking guns. Fucking, fucking guns.

    Psychotic acts like this are horrid. Fuck guns, ohmygod. I hate them so much. I know it's complicated, etc etc, but you can't pull that shit with a knife.

    Sorry, I'm just so Rousseauian. It's hard to have faith in humanity.

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    on the news, they said he had 2 guns and then more ammo that could be quickly loaded.. i dont know much about guns. on the msnbc website, there are audio clips, and one was from a guy who got shot in the arm. he said the guy came in and after he left they all had to barricade the door because he tried to get in again. i guess there wasnt much anyone could do to stop him without getting killed themselves

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    Hrmm...

    Are we surprised an Engineering department at a University made an Asian guy crack? I, for one, am not. Damn, if it's this bad for someone @ Va Tech, I can't imagine what MIT or CalTech could do to an Asian brotha'...

    Fuck Jack Thompson and his opportunistic ass. Being part of the video game industry, I'd love nothing more than to see his ass exiled to Botswana or some other place similar to perish. Watch my beloved EA stocks fall now... that jerk.

    Anyone else surprised the campus didn't shut down immediately after the first shootings took place? If text msgs/internet were the means of communication for people to know something was wrong, that's just troubling...


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    My schools stellar idea in response to todays events was to put the fat heifer that works security in the cafeteria with a radio during dinner. Oh harass the gunsmithing students too.

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    So sad. What is wrong with some people?

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    Naturally the ONE exchange student from Australia is now a mini celebrity due to this here in Australia. She wasn't anywhere near the shooting yet was around it as such.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21570975-2,00.html

    Things that have been said about the story here in this country is similiar to what I have already read here and heard on the news.

    The other thing is that one morning show presenter was going on about how GW was giving his condolences whilst at the same time saying (in a way) it's your god given right to bear arms.

    Has your country NOT learnt a THING?! The right to bear arms is hurting you! It always has and always will and always will be the main reason I will NEVER want to be anything other than Australian.

    Here it is much harder to get weapons. We have shootings. We have massacres. Just not as common as it seems as your country and it isn't due to population numbers either imo.

    Anyway, what a way to start the day!

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    This is so sad and sick. It reminds me of the 1989 shooting at the engineering school at the University of Montreal when Marc Lepine walked into a classroom, told the men to leave, and shot the women. When he was done, he had killed 14 women, injured 10 more, as well as 4 men. That story just rocked Canada at the time. I feel so bad for the victim's families here---the last thing you would expect is that your children are going to get mown down by gunfire while they are pursuing a higher education.
    That's exactly what I thought of. It's dangerous to be an Engineering student.

    What IS it with mid-April and mass killings in the US? Seriously. Is it exam time stress? The Hitler connection? Wth. Oklahoma City, Columbine, this...

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    gosh,. what a seriously sick person... wonder if they will ever find out why

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    ^^^I also thought of Lepine (though he was November I think)- it's the engineering thing, you're right. All that pressure or something. At least in this case it wasn't "boo girls", but that's hardly a consolation, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    Fucking guns. Fucking, fucking guns.

    Psychotic acts like this are horrid. Fuck guns, ohmygod. I hate them so much. I know it's complicated, etc etc, but you can't pull that shit with a knife.
    If this guy wanted to kill people he could have just as easliy done it with a knife. This guy may have been fucked up but he knew what he was doing. It has nothing to do with his weapon of choice.

    I may be getting off topic here but as a gun owner I have a problem with that comment. It's not the gun it's the person who uses it.

    I did hear on one of the news reports about how easy it is to get a gun in the south. All I had to do when I purchased mine here in Virginia was give my drivers liscense and a background check was done on me by the state police. It's easy if you don't have a record but how are the state police or anybody else supposed to know what you intend to do with the gun. And we ahatever reason. This guy could have had his gun for years, like me, I've had mine for five years.

    The bottom line is, don't blame the gun, blame the mother fucker that pulled the trigger.

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    i personally agree with that ^. even if it wasnt easy to legally get a gun, people find ways. and if someone is crazy enough to want to kill people, they'll find a way. banning guys, making them harder to get, anything, won't stop things.

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    i guess those of us who aren't american will never understand why you feel you *need* that right.

    it just sucks that people are so unhappy they need to do something so major and drastic like this. that said, the engineering block at my old school was a creepy little place...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va View Post
    If this guy wanted to kill people he could have just as easliy done it with a knife. This guy may have been fucked up but he knew what he was doing. It has nothing to do with his weapon of choice.

    I may be getting off topic here but as a gun owner I have a problem with that comment. It's not the gun it's the person who uses it.

    I did hear on one of the news reports about how easy it is to get a gun in the south. All I had to do when I purchased mine here in Virginia was give my drivers liscense and a background check was done on me by the state police. It's easy if you don't have a record but how are the state police or anybody else supposed to know what you intend to do with the gun. And we ahatever reason. This guy could have had his gun for years, like me, I've had mine for five years.

    The bottom line is, don't blame the gun, blame the mother fucker that pulled the trigger.
    yes, you said everything in my head. well put, susan-va.

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    I wonder who the American Public is going to try and blame for this. Marilyn Manson or Snoop Dogg?

    Oh wait...the VIETNAMESE!

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    But seriously, that sucks about people dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    How in the Hell was he able to shoot so many people before he was stopped? God. Did he have an automatic weapon?

    Fucking guns. Fucking, fucking guns.
    Blame the creature that did it, not the tool he used. People suck, guns have evil and good uses. Don't turn the thread into an anti gun rant (or pro gun rant). A student from VTech speaks on his experience:


    http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/80510
    Unarmed and vulnerable

    Bradford B. Wiles (Wiles, of New Castle, is a graduate student at Virginia Tech.)

    On Aug. 21 at about 9:20 a.m., my graduate-level class was evacuated from the Squires Student Center. We were interrupted in class and not informed of anything other than the following words: "You need to get out of the building."

    Upon exiting the classroom, we were met at the doors leading outside by two armor-clad policemen with fully automatic weapons, plus their side arms. Once outside, there were several more officers with either fully automatic rifles and pump shotguns, and policemen running down the street, pistols drawn.

    It was at this time that I realized that I had no viable means of protecting myself.

    Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.

    I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

    First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

    Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

    Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.

    Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.

    That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.

    I would also like to point out that when I mentioned to a professor that I would feel safer with my gun, this is what she said to me, "I would feel safer if you had your gun."

    The policy that forbids students who are legally licensed to carry in Virginia needs to be changed.

    I am qualified and capable of carrying a concealed handgun and urge you to work with me to allow my most basic right of self-defense, and eliminate my entrusting my safety and the safety of my classmates to the government.

    This incident makes it clear that it is time that Virginia Tech and the commonwealth of Virginia let me take responsibility for my safety.

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    I know my anti-gun comment was gonna be controversial, but it's just how I feel and have always felt about guns (and bombs). I personally agree with J.J. Rousseau, insofar as I think we were better off in the woods with sticks and stones.

    But both my parents are in the military. I've been spoken to about my pacifist rantings. I know it's the person who does the killing. But I can't rescind what I said. I really believe that such an amount of violence, in such a short time, in that kind of setting, couldn't be carried out without guns.

    I don't hate gun owners. I just don't get it, I guess. Why are they so important to have? If nobody had a gun, nobody would need one.

    Ok, I just couldn't not say that. I get emotional about it. But I don't mean to offend, it's just that I don't understand. I'll shut up now before it gets all icky and political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    I know my anti-gun comment was gonna be controversial, but it's just how I feel and have always felt about guns (and bombs). I personally agree with J.J. Rousseau, insofar as I think we were better off in the woods with sticks and stones.

    But both my parents are in the military. I've been spoken to about my pacifist rantings. I know it's the person who does the killing. But I can't rescind what I said. I really believe that such an amount of violence, in such a short time, in that kind of setting, couldn't be carried out without guns.

    I don't hate gun owners. I just don't get it, I guess. Why are they so important to have? If nobody had a gun, nobody would need one.

    Ok, I just couldn't not say that. I get emotional about it. But I don't mean to offend, it's just that I don't understand. I'll shut up now before it gets all icky and political.
    We should all be shocked and stunned. I don't hate guns, I hate sick sh*& bags and wish we as decent human beings didn't need a means to defend ourselves from said sh*& bags. If I could wave a magic wand and take weapons away from everyone on the planet AND the intent of some to do others harm for their own sick reasons, I would do it. Short of that, the student above who was there had/has a right to defend himself. I agree kiddo, people suck, that good people need guns also sucks, but there we have it. I don't understand it either! OK, we end pro anti gun comments here.
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    Gun control. yep.

    My Texas boyfriend bought me a gun and taught me to shoot it when I lived in Kansas. He was so cool and I love him for it. For several years I felt better there knowing my size and sex won't stop me from fighting back.

    That gun is illigal here. In Toronto, only the criminals have guns.

    I get a lot of criticism for the "American" attitude that if someone comes into my house uninvited, and I think I am about to get raped, I feel I should have the right to shoot them in the fucking face.

    However, I hope the tragedy in VA doesn't bring all the NRA nuts out to defend their guns while the families are grieving. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    Ok, I just couldn't not say that. I get emotional about it. But I don't mean to offend, it's just that I don't understand. I'll shut up now before it gets all icky and political.
    I do respect your opinion on this, I can get just as emotional on the topic from my end as you can. I do think it's great that we can listen to others stance on this and other issues. It can be enlightening and we can learn from one another. On any topic I respect and will listen to a persons opinion even if I don't agree with it.


    The events at VA tech are tragic and this cannot be forgotten with the gun discussion. I've spent all morning on the web and watching the news. It hits close to home, I have family members that went to Tech and it's in my backyard, so to speak. I can't beleive that something like this happened so close to home. But it could have happened anywhere.

    My heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragedy.

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    The lack of judgment in the media's rush to get information out on this simply astounds me.

    VT hasn't released the names of any of the victims yet, but CNN has already broadcast the names of five victims. Two of them were professors.

    They've also released the name of the shooter, but due to some confusion involving Asian names, either CNN or MSNBC have his first and last name reversed.

    I realize there's a need to get the scoop on the competition, but this downright irresponsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va View Post
    If this guy wanted to kill people he could have just as easliy done it with a knife.
    Right. Sure. That's why we hear about so many "random mass knifings."

    NPR says--

    He was South Korean. He was an English major. I think they said he was a permanent resident. (not sure.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina View Post
    NPR says--

    He was South Korean. He was an English major. I think they said he was a permanent resident. (not sure.)
    He was Korean, a registered student from Centerville Va. It is believed that the first female victim was his girlfriend, not confirmed yet.

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    they said he left a note that hasn't been released yet. when it is, that should be interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    they also said that after he entered the building, he chained the doors shut so no one could get out.
    damn, that explains how one person killed that many.

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