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    Default Quick Rapport Building before a Close

    I have set a new goal for myself. Attempt to close everyone I talk to. 100% of them, 100% of the time. It's part the fun little rejection game, but mostly it's obviously to increase my sales by being a better closer.

    Sometimes, though, it's clear that I am not building rapport, s/he's not interested, body language is negative, etc. It doesn't make sense to close then, b/c it's going to be a no. How can I turn it around quickly before I tell them it's time to go play/have fun/dance?

    I don't usually touch people when I hustle them, maybe this would be a way to try to warm them up. I see other girls do it and it seems to work. Any ideas?
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    Hmm...I always try to close everyone I meet. Isn't that the point of the job? I mean...I get people who just put off very bad body language, feel really cold, you can tell they are gonna say no...but you still ask. Just in case. Maybe at least you can get him to buy for his friend.... Im not really sure how to turn it around, some people just arent interested. But you still gotta ask...just in case.

    You might say...Is something wrong? You dont seem to be having fun, maybe I can change that for you? Lets go have a dance. Then he has a chance to tell you, your just not my type, Im not ready yet, Im waiting for that other girl....
    Or maybe he will say, OK, lets go dance.

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    "what can we do to get you having some fun tonight?"

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    Default Re: Quick Rapport Building before a Close

    building rapport *is* definitely very important, but sometimes not necessary when the club is packed. i assume you are talking about when the club isn't packed?

    and i am not in agreement about the above line^ because it's an-easy-to-say-no-to type question. i think tweak it a bit and say something like, "we're going to have so much fun together tonight!" still builds that rapport with "we" "fun" "tonight" but sounds a but more.. genuine and less salesy.

    Love it!

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    to build rapport, try mirroring, looking interested, talking about him, acting interested and impressed- " really, an accountant, you must be sooo smart", "u travel a lot?, i'm sooo jealous" "mmm u smell really good", touching his arm while laughing. but do this all in 5 minutes or less

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    Find general things to agree with him on while also closing.
    "Oh, you flew in today? That sounds so nice, because the airport here is one of the nicest ones I've ever been to. Don't you think so?"
    "What other clubs around here have you been to? Oh, yeah, that place has an amazing bar... but I love how this club has the biggest dance room of any club in the city"
    "Oooh, what beer is that? Wow. I love beer, but you know, when I'm at work it's girly drinks only because I'm naked almost all of the time. Want to see?"

    Basically, taking whatever sort of conversational lead that is possible and then making it into something that you can both agree on.

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    >> I don't usually touch people when I hustle them, maybe this would be a way to try to warm them up. I see other girls do it and it seems to work. Any ideas?

    The touch is HUGE. Fingernails across the arm, shoulders. Physical contact picks up the vibe instantly.

    I bet if you work the arm-touch into your pitch, the close rate increases substantially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samba View Post
    Sometimes, though, it's clear that I am not building rapport, s/he's not interested, body language is negative, etc. It doesn't make sense to close then, b/c it's going to be a no...I don't usually touch people when I hustle them, maybe this would be a way to try to warm them up. I see other girls do it and it seems to work. Any ideas?
    Interesting post this one (if you don't mind me sticking my male oar in).

    Samba, you obviously read body language, but do you use it?

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    The touch is HUGE. Fingernails across the arm, shoulders. Physical contact picks up the vibe instantly.
    Lucidity has got it exact right.

    When we flirt with people this is exactly what we do. It's one of the signals that say "we like you and we find you attractive".

    If she does this to customers the great majority are going to say "Lucidity likes me", and her chances of a sale go up accordingly.

    Go get a book on body language and read the chapter on flirtation signals. There are a variety that women use, but some of the most common are:

    * Significant eye contact - say 10 seconds per time.
    * Smiling
    * Sitting close, or even in gentle physical contact.
    * Touching with the hand.

    There are many others - for example, if you have a glass, caress it in a subtly sexually suggestive manner with your finger tips.

    Mimic flirtation signals and I suspect your closure rate will go up.

    After all you are 'signalling' that you are interested in us, and our male egos react accordingly.

    Phil.

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    Oh no, a Male! Shouldn't you be writing a semi-pornographic trip report? Just kidding.

    Thanks for the responses, everyone. (You too Phil-W)

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    Um, I don't mean to be too negative, but I tend to think it's most profitable to NOT try to close every single person you talk to and concentrate that energy on better / easier targets. Some people just aren't going to buy - it's statistically and realistically impossible to sell every single person you talk to - so I prefer not to spend time trying to turn those wet blankets around and just move on to someone who'll say yes right away. Sometimes I'll get right up and leave without a word within 5-10 seconds of going up to a guy, if I got a bad vibe from him I'm not going to waste my time with him OR let his negative energy spill over into MY mood NEXT!!

    For me it is alot more fun and profitable to make it a situation where I'm rejecting the wet blanket, rather than him rejecting me - leave really quickly, abruptly, without a word. You know right away when he's going to say no. Then just move right to a friendlier face and sell HIM a dance, and find a way to sneakily smirk at the other dude while dancing for Mr Friendly. That's how I turn it around


    But the way I try to build rapport quickly is mostly with body language and touching them, right away. Maybe I'll just slide right onto his lap, or sneak up behind him and "accidentally" bump my butt into him, or something. Ask how he's doing, tell him I'm doing "fabulous!" - if his response wasn't so great I'll tell him I need to make him feel a bit more fabulous too. I like to position myself so he can't help but look right down my cleavage. If you sit in a chair next to him, turn your body to face him and lean toward him with hands open toward him, perhaps touch his knee or something. Don't just sit there next to him facing somewhere else, turn yourself to him. That's one of the simplest and most effective ways to start building rapport, from my experience. You can also try gently caressing his arm/hand, maybe briefly run your nails down his while chatting. Practice and make it feel natural to YOU - then it will feel natural to HIM I do alot of these things subconsciously, and this combined with phrasing my propositions more like statements rather than questions, get me a whole lot more yeses than nos.

    Oh yes, and eye contact. Lots of eye contact. Or look at his mouth when he's talking - that's very flirtatious. Sometimes I have trouble looking certain guys in the eye, so I'll look at their mouth instead, and that works.
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    Totally agree with Bridgette. To try to close everybody you talk to is just dumping too much of your energy into a deal that may or may not happen.

    A lot of dancers have the belief that if they can say this "one magic thing" to a guy, he will buy a dance. Or they also believe that they can potentially get a dance from any guy, or that any guy will give them a VIP.

    Totally not true! There are going to be a whole lot of men in your club every night who can either not afford to get a dance, don't like you right off the bat for whatever reason, or don't want a dance from ANYBODY.

    Rather than trying to turn a no into a sale, why not try to focus on being aware of who is going to be interested in spending money on you and who isn't? After so many years of doing this, I can pretty much tell (obviously not always, but for the most part) who is and who isn't interested in me within one minute of talking to them.

    I feel like, at least for me, it is much better for me to get up and walk away (politely) from a guy who probably isn't going to spend money than for me to waste ten minutes and a bunch of energy on trying to convince him that he should get a dance from me.
    Sexy Jasmine after getting fucked over at work:

    God loves strippers and when guys do things like that its an automatic ticket to HELL!


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    ^^^I'd rather leave it open when someone is sending closed body signals. I don't go in for the kill right away, I leave it open and tell them to enjoy their drink or whatever and I'll be back. Then I'll go in again during a two-fer or if they tip me onstage.

    But you know, two fridays ago I saw this guy buy a bunch of funny money at the bar. And then I sold him a dance, he kept telling me that he was not going to make my night or whatever...but he had a ton of funny money left. I felt kinda like a fool, but I stuck it out for a drink. And he kept getting dances and then eventually a $600 CR all the while telling me that I should go sell dances to other guys. WTF? Whatever. It was pretty clear he had just gotten out of a long term relationship with a dancer-type and was feeling dejected.
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