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    I wasnt sure where to put this - Political Poo, The Lounge, I didn't know so I figured this concerns the body so here it is...

    The supreme court made a decision last week upholding the Late-Term-Abortion ban, but made NO EXCEPTION for the health of the mother. That means that if a woman has complications during her birth, and her life is put in danger, the life of her child has now been prioritized as more important then hers. (by the way this act was signed by a room of ALL MEN)
    PLEASE act to protect women!!!!

    The Freedom of Choice Act

    In response to the terrifying Supreme Court decision last week, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) are promoting the The Freedom of Choice Act, which was introduced in the House and Senate on Thursday.

    The legislation would codify the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision and bar states from limiting abortion rights. It was introduced in 2006 and 2004 but never made it out of either the Senate or House judiciary committees.

    That could change in the House this time with a clear Democratic majority, but it's uncertain if there are enough votes on the Senate side.

    Here's hoping. To support the Freedom of Choice Act, and to urge your representatives to do the same, use the link below.

    http://prochoiceaction.org/campaign/congress_foca_0407
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    Well for one thing that's baning anything after 3 months, not just third trimester.

    But anyway here's how I see it... I don't agree with third trimester abortions as something like "oh haha ok never mind I don't want it" but I have a friend who has had three abortions because her father raped her. She couldn't get to a clinic within 90 days. For one thing she didn't have a regular period and didn't know she was preggers until around 80-90 days. Then once she knew she didn't have a way to get there. Most of the time her father would watch her like a hawk, following her everywhere she went and she couldn't go to do anything about the pregnancy. She had a hard enough time getting to the clinic to have the abortion seeing as two out of three pregnancies she was under legal driving age so she had to take public transportation. (She didn't tell anyone about the abortions until recently because she was so ashamed of what had happened to her) I don't think a 13 year old girl, (or any age girl) should have to bring their own brother or sister into the world where it will be raised in a family where it will be molested and raped and abused. If she had gone through with having that child she wouldnt have had the choice to give it up for adoption, she would have been forced to keep it and it would have had to live in that environment. This is just one case that I feel this ban would be detrimental to the person having the abortion, the child being born and society as a whole because so many people brought up in environments like hers either rely on public funds (public assistance, jail, etc), or fuck up their kids when they have them. And no that isn't to say that all people who are fucked with when growing up end up on the public dollar, but many many who come from that environment do.

    I understand if someone is opposed to abortion or second or third trimester abortion. I myself wouldn't get an abortion after three months, but I would never ever ever presume to tell someone else how they can or cannot handle a situation like that. I don't have the right to chose someones fate and I don't think the government does either.
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    uhm... what happened to the comment that I was responding to!? I'm confused?
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    Ack! I deleted it because I was planning to put a better one, sorry. I'm a noob like that. D:

    But now that I've read your other post, just holy shit.

    I agree that another exception should be made as well for disabled people and underage people. There's no way anyone should have to go through that.

    So I guess, in essence, I agree with the law, but it's too premature. There's so many exceptions to the rule that lawmakers haven't thought out enough, and currently it's unfair to the majority of late-abortion circumstances.

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    Well I be darn. So will the doctor be charge for putting the mother in harms ways?
    If I am understanding correctly, Even if the mother life is at risk. She could not abort her child. SO what happen if the mother already have kids. Than both the mother and baby died. Than who is responible, sometimes it upset me that people really dont think thru, about they laws or rulings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    So I guess, in essence, I agree with the law, but it's too premature. There's so many exceptions to the rule that lawmakers haven't thought out enough, and currently it's unfair to the majority of late-abortion circumstances.
    Exactly. I'm torn because in no way to I think we should ever have a law baning abortions. But on the other hand I understand there is def a portion of the population that should be accounted for and I understand that there is inevitably going to be a law regarding abortion, but until that law has the necessary exceptions and considerations in place I don't think we should have such a strict law. I don't think it is a fair or just law because so many people are being spoken for and told what to do regarding their own health and the health of the child. I am just very dissatisfied by the lack of planning on the law makers part on this issue. I don't think in this country making laws is at all easy, I mean there are so many different views by so many different people that you can never appease everyone, but I think wish some changes there can be some sort of agreement on the abortion issue... I don't know I just think we as a country should be better than that... Then again I often think of this country as what is says it is, and not as what it actually is.
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    One thing I'd also like to know is... of the number of abortions performed, what % is late term, and of those, what the circumstances are.

    I mean, I'll admit that I'm unclear on how common the procedure is and how many occur under "regular" circumstances.

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    Do a google search for late term abortions statistics... here are some things I found, and havent really read them thoroughly...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion

    http://www.abortionisprolife.com/statistics.htm

    Just always remember to look at the souces... Which I did not for that second link... And everyone knows wikipedia is subject someone's personal views... anyway yeah to class I go!
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    Third trimester abortions are extremely rare and normally only done for either the life of the mother...or if the fetus has a condition incompatible with life. Womendont just decide after 8 months of pregnancy to abort because they dont feel like having it anymore.

    I think it is unbearably cruel to tell a woman that not only is the baby she was longing and planning for dead in her womb...or will die at birth because it is missing the top of it's skull...or because it's lungs or brain never developed,...but she will be forced to carry the corpse for several more months. UNBELIEVABLE. If anything constiutes cruelty and a violation of humanity.....this is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Third trimester abortions are extremely rare and normally only done for either the life of the mother...or if the fetus has a condition incompatible with life. Womendont just decide after 8 months of pregnancy to abort because they dont feel like having it anymore.

    I think it is unbearably cruel to tell a woman that not only is the baby she was longing and planning for dead in her womb...or will die at birth because it is missing the top of it's skull...or because it's lungs or brain never developed,...but she will be forced to carry the corpse for several more months. UNBELIEVABLE. If anything constiutes cruelty and a violation of humanity.....this is it.

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    Very good points about third trimester abortions!!! Thank you for your input!! And I'm glad you signed it too.

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    Yes, I'm on it.

    & In case one really thinks all late-term abortions are for nutso chicks who just get a kick out of endangering their lives with that kind of procedure- one of my male friends had the bad fortune to have the gene for Cystic Fibrosis....so did his wife. Their fetus was nothing more than a glob of tissue with two and a half, almost three limbs, and other freakish deformities. The fetus would not have been viable....That experience in itself was so traumatic for the couple, can you imagine making it worse by having the law tell them what to do in that situation?

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    ^^^ wow. That's terrible!!
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    I signed it.

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    Well, I guess my decision has been made for me then. B and I were just discussing whether we should try having a baby since my time is almost out.

    But the chances of something being wrong are high at my age and not being able to abort makes up our minds for us.

    This is definitely a case of too much government. I wonder how many other women my age are in this position now?

    I'm signing.

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    A story about a woman who had an abortion at 6 months pregnancy because the babies(twins) had health problems.

    I think it is unbearably cruel to tell a woman that not only is the baby she was longing and planning for dead in her womb...or will die at birth because it is missing the top of it's skull...or because it's lungs or brain never developed,...but she will be forced to carry the corpse for several more months. UNBELIEVABLE. If anything constiutes cruelty and a violation of humanity.....this is it.
    What are you talking about? I looked, but couldnt find a reference to this anywhere...does this law say that if a baby dies naturally in the womb, you cant have it removed from the womb?
    I agree with you....it is absolutly aweful. Making a tramatic experience even worse. Same with the death certificates.

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    I signed. Thank you for posting the link.
    I believe you Dottie and you have my support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post

    A story about a woman who had an abortion at 6 months pregnancy because the babies(twins) had health problems.
    That is a very poignant article. Thank you.

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    This is the type of thing that makes me damned glad I live in Canada. For the most part, our leadership tends to keep its politics out of our pussies, and thank god for that. Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy that is unwanted-- or in the case of late term abortions, non-viable and a risk to the mother's health, is barbaric. It seems as if the current political office in the States is determined to reduce women to incubators with no power or rights over their own bodies. Absolutely horrifying. If I lived in the States, I would sign the petition to support the Freedom of Choice Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post

    A story about a woman who had an abortion at 6 months pregnancy because the babies(twins) had health problems.



    What are you talking about? I looked, but couldnt find a reference to this anywhere...does this law say that if a baby dies naturally in the womb, you cant have it removed from the womb?
    I agree with you....it is absolutly aweful. Making a tramatic experience even worse. Same with the death certificates.
    I dont know about if a fetus is actually already dead...but if the fetus is still alive...but will die upon birth then no...it would not be allowed. So you now have to continue carrying a child you know will die. Instead of starting the grieving process now.

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    Just allow me to say that you never know until it happens to you. Never. And the idea that another could decide for me is repulsive. My body. My choice. Leave both alone.

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    Agreed, I know some people have strong moral beliefs about abortion, but please, KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUTTA MY BEDROOM, and (more importantly) OUTTA MY BODY!!!! It's not their decision to make, damnit!

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    I signed it and reposted it to Myspace. Thank you!

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    I signed it. I'm also donating to Planned Parenthood of America.

    Jesus fucking Christ, for a political party that claims not to want big government, they sure as hell get in your bedroom a lot.

    I am totally in favor of abortion. This Dear Abby letter explains it all.

    Dear Abby:

    I am a 60-year-old woman. My children are grown and I have four grandchildren. I also have a godchild named "Noah," whom I adore.

    Noah's mother, "Fay," didn't want him when he was born, but was talked out of giving him up by her mother and me. Her mother has since passed away.

    Abby, I thought Fay would get over it, but she still doesn't want Noah. She blames him for taking her freedom away. The child is only 5 and adores his mother. No matter what she does, Noah loves her.

    Fay is abusive. She yells and screams at Noah, calls him stupid and other names, keeps him in his room most of the time, and palms him off on anyone who will take him for a weekend.

    This is not a happy little boy. He has so much anger in him at such an early age. Fay was abused by her mother like she's doing to her son.

    I have tried to get her help, but she says there's nothing wrong with her. How can I make Fay see that she's turning Noah into a monster?

    The father took off as soon as he found out Fay was pregnant. He has never seen his son.

    Please advise me.

    -- Out Of My Mind In Texas

    Dear Out Of My Mind:

    Since you are Noah's godmother and there is nobody else, it is now your turn to step up to the plate. You are responsible for the fact that this unfit mother didn't place her unwanted child for adoption at birth.

    You are only 60 -- you're not over the hill. Why don't you take Noah in and give him the love and support he needs -- and possibly psychological counseling to undo the damage that has been done?

    I think you already know what needs to be done. If you are unwilling or unable to do it, then pick up the phone and report Noah's mother to child protective services.

    DEAR ABBY
    Get unfit mom out of the picture
    September 6, 2004


    Childfree Abby's Advice
    Dear Lunatic:

    I have seen many situations of complete and utter stupidity and selfishness since I began writing this advice "commentary". I can safely say that few have aroused such anger and disgust as reading yours.

    You blatantly admit, along with her admittedly abusive mother, to having coerced a woman who did not want a child into keeping it. You thought, in your supreme arrogance, that she would "get over it" and blossom into the epitome of MotherLove. Why not? You weren't going to have to raise it. You weren't going to have the hell that child was going to have.

    How Dare You.

    How Dare You!

    That child should have been aborted, or at very least put up for adoption where he would have had some hope of being raised by people who wanted him.

    Noah is now 5 years old. The probability of being adopted, for him, has gone down exponentially, since he is now an "older child".

    This is where I agree with my esteemed counterpart: You had a hand in creating this travesty, now get up off your sanctimonious ass, step up to the bat and clean it up. What? You don't want to be a parent? Neither did Noah's mother, but you figured she would "get over it". Maybe you will "get over it" too.

    Childfree Abby -- with revulsion
    I see so many children who are unwanted, neglected, abused, etc. I don't fucking understand why it's wrong to kil babies, yet it's okay to subject these poor kids to bad situations like parents who did not want it or were talked out of abortions like the aforementioned hypocrites.

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    ^ That story coudl have described my best childhood friend. She is the reason I am pro abortion.

    She had the little boy when she was 14. She did not want him. Her mother said, you made your bed, now lay in it, and forced her to have the baby. She never wanted him. She has not once told him she loves him, or given him a hug. He now has many many mental and developmental problems. The problem was worsened when she married, and had 2 little girls who she loves and shows all her attention to.

    He is 13 now....and very messed up. Poor boy.....

    When he was 2 years old, he had the flu, and threw up on himself. She was irate! She screamed at him, what the fuck is wrong with you! throw up in the toilet! Why didnt you throw up in the toilet! now you've made a mess.
    You know..soemtimes grownups cant make it to the topilet when they are sick, let alone a 2 year old.

    She ran his bath water to clean him up, but the water was to hot, and he cried when she put him in and said it was to hot. She said, Good!! Now maybe you'll learn your lesson and puke in the toilet!

    I called CYS that night, and she lost custody.....but she alwyas gets him back. She lost custody a few years ago for 2 years but she alwyas get them back.
    I asked her once, why nto giv him up for adoption now, if you dont want hi, its not to late.

    She said...Im attached to him now. Like he was a little puppy or something. She cant even say I love him, she just is "attached"

    I feel so badly for this little boy, but I couldnt care for him. He is uncontrolabel. I try to talk her into sending to reform schoool, or military school, becaue as he gets older, his behavior problems onyl get worse, ad she doesn't have the pareting skills to help him. I feel so bad.....

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    How sad.....I am absolutely in favor of abortion, including late-term abortion. Late term abortion isn't a gruesome form of birth control.....if it's done, it's generally done because a child has a severe abnormality that would guarantee death at or shortly after birth. In a few cases, it's done to save a woman's life, for example if she is diagnosed with particularly agressive cancer, and needs to start treatment (which is toxic to the child in utero). Mostly, I believe it's a very personal decision to end a pregnancy, and it should stay that way.

    Besides, I don't think you're killing a baby when you have an abortion, I don't believe life starts until a fetus is viable outside the womb. If it cannot survive on it's own, and still doesn't manufacture it's own blood, it's not really alive. However, if abortion is banned, more babies WILL die......more scared young girls will abandon their newborns......leaving them to die in dumpsters, boxes in closets and the like.....that is a fate much worse than abortion. It seems that the religious right is often extremely concerned about these "babies" before their birthed, after that, these scared mothers (who didn't want to be mothers to begin with) are left with very little support of any kind. It's horrid.

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