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    I want to order a few bottles of Timothy Taylor Landlord, which is made in Yorkshire, England. I've looked and looked for somewhere that stocks it stateside with no luck, and also had no luck finding an overseas merch that will ship it to me. What gives?! I can import absinthe from Portugal with a few clicks, but not beer from England?

    Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows how I can get some, or if anyone that can get it would be willing to ship me some- willing to pay for the trouble... pleeeeez?

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    have you tried these guys (http://beergeek.stores.yahoo.net/englishale.html)? maybe they can import it for you, since i don't think they carry that particular microbrew.

    i have no experience with them. i was just using the magic of google.

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    Yeah I've been there, he won't ship to TX *sigh*

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    It's probably your state's liquor laws. I ran into similar trouble once trying to ship a case of wine from California to Tennessee; the law wouldn't allow me to do it without going through a distributor. You COULD try and go through the distributor, especially since you're willing to pay extra.

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    TX def allows wine shipment so I'd think they'd allow beer... not that I really care if it's legal or not so long as I get it. If I could just find somewhere that would ship it to CA then I could go pick it up. *still looking, still no luck*

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    Quote Originally Posted by phairestofthemall View Post
    ...I can import absinthe from Portugal with a few clicks, but not beer from England?...
    Isn't that illegal in the states? I've always wanted to try it, who did you order it from?
    p.s. sorry for threadjacking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyCurlieQ View Post
    Isn't that illegal in the states? I've always wanted to try it, who did you order it from?
    p.s. sorry for threadjacking!
    mind the difference between genuine absinthe and extract of absinthe, the first one is not easy to find.

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    "You can ship beer to yourself inside of Texas, as long as you use a
    licensed common carrier such as UPS or FedEx.

    You can ship beer to yourself from outside of Texas, as long as you use
    a licensed common carrier such as UPS or FedEx, and you stay within the
    import restriction of 24 12-ounce containers of beer every 30 days.

    It is not legal to have a commercial entity ship beer to you as part of
    a commercial transaction. In other words, you can't buy beer over the
    internet and have it shipped to you. "


    Carolyn Beck
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    www.tabc.state.tx.us

    This was found on a message board at beeradvocate.com in response to an email sent by the OP on that board. Looks like you need to go to Yorkshire or maybe you can make a myspace or internet friend located in Yorkshire who will ship it to you individual to individual, although you may want to confirm that this is allowed.

    ETA: Just noticed the original posting date. Apparently revived for tha absinthe angle...Never Mind

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    Yeah, real absinthe is illegal in the USA. You can order a fake version with no wormwood, but if you're bringing in real absinthe I wouldn't talk about it on the internet.

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    Not to threadjack, but it's the chemical in wormwood that is regulated by the FDA...thujone or something like that. There's a company that does make Absinthe legally in the US, it's called Lucid, but right now it's found mostly in NY and NJ I think. They use the correct wormwood, Grande Wormwood, therefor making it authentic absinthe, but the levels of thujone (sp?) are within FDA guidelines. They JUST started selling it not too long ago, but unfortunately I think their bottle is cheesy looking:



    http://www.drinklucid.com/lucid_flash.cfm






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    Lucid? Nice name!

    I tried absinthe in Australia - just one very small half-shot. It tasted like ass and made me hallucinate.

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    Yeah, real absinthe is illegal in the USA. You can order a fake version with no wormwood, but if you're bringing in real absinthe I wouldn't talk about it on the internet.
    Not exactly the case. Under US laws it is NOT legal for liquor distributors and retailers to sell european Absinthe over the counter due to lack of FDA approval. However it IS perfectly legal to purchase Absinthe for your own consumption.

    BTW, my favorite Absinthe (Nouvelle Orleans) is actually distilled by an American by the name of Ted Breaux. He comes from a family with 200 years worth of history in New Orleans - a city which was once known as the 'Absinthe Capital of the World'. But he had to do a tremendous amount of chem lab research on vintage Absinthe samples from old wine cellars to figure out what it actually did (and did not) contain in order to recreate vintage Absinthe formulas. He then had to travel to France and form an alliance with the 150+ year old Combier distillery in order to pull off his dream to authentically recreate pre-1915 ban Absinthe using authentic formulas and distillation techniques.

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    The 'Lucid' Absinthe is actually also made by Ted Breaux at the Combier distillery in France. Apparently the New York importer has gone to the expense of filing for FDA approval so that it can be legally sold through US distributors and liquor retailers. Hit the 'Background' and FAQ links at the lucid website for more info. I would also add that, while 100% distilled, the Lucid product is not really top shelf. This was a conscious marketing decision to try and keep the US retail price low enough to attract curious Americans into trying it at about the same bar price as most other liquors. Lucid also contains very low levels of the chemical thujone, which is rumored to be the psychoactive ingredient in Absinthe.


    'Tasting like ass' is typically the result of an Absinthe which is not 100% distilled, but instead made by mixing up added concentrates (i.e. 'mixed') and/or removing the flavor ingredients from the herbs via solvents (i.e. 'macerated'), which are much less expensive to do than 100% distillation. All of the online Absinthe retailers will show whether a particular product is 'mixed', 'macerated' or 'distilled' - as will the large difference in price. Extracting herb essences by maceration also results in higher levels of the chemical thujone.
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    That's interesting, thanks for sharing.

    Although the taste thing doesn't make much difference to me. I'm given to understand that even the best absinthe tastes like licorice, and I really HATE licorice.

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    I'm given to understand that even the best absinthe tastes like licorice, and I really HATE licorice.
    It IS true that the traditional French and Swiss ( Parisienne ) absinthe formulas have tons of anise ... which makes for a real strong Licorice flavor. But the traditional Czech and Austrian ( Bohemian) absinthes were never into heavy anise, thus their taste is very light on licorice if tasting anything like licorice at all. Instead the Bohemian absinthes taste a bit like cotton candy with a trace of orange or almonds or even roses thrown in - but I've only tried a couple of these anise free absinthes

    here's a ton of anise free absinthes from a German online source ... they ship worldwide including the USA --->

    Clicking on the text names next to the bottle pictures will bring up more info including customer reviews. The two Bohemian (anise-free) absinthes that I have tried are Mata Hari (which was OK and reasonably cheap) and LaBoheme (which was AMAZING, but expensive). In both cases there is a bit of 'bitter' aftertaste that you don't get with the Parisienne (anise= licorice taste) absinthes, so you need to add quite a bit of sugar ... or add honey instead like the 19th century Bohemians originally did !

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    and circling back around to the original post, it would appear that nobody imports 'Landlord' into the USA. This is one of the most extensive lists of imported beers available in the USA, and 'Landlord' isn't on the list (although a ton of other British beers ARE on the list)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Not exactly the case. Under US laws it is NOT legal for liquor distributors and retailers to sell european Absinthe over the counter due to lack of FDA approval. However it IS perfectly legal to purchase Absinthe for your own consumption.
    No it's not. It's only legal to buy for display purposes, not consumption. I just did research on this like 3 days ago. Now the problem is whether customs decides consumption or display based on your purchase.


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    ^^^ all I can say is that I have purchased from the German absinthe distributor in the past with zero problems, and they 100% guarantee to US customers that if you don't receive your Absinthe order you won't be charged for it.

    (snip)"Do you ship to the US?

    Yes, we do ship to the US. You must be of legal drinking age to visit our site and the orders are for personal consumption only.

    How will my order be shipped to the US and is it safe?

    It will be shipped via Courier, which takes approx. 8 days. All boxes can be tracked online, you will get your tracking number as soon as your order is shipped, and the delivery is guaranteed.

    Is a signature required for delivery?

    Yes. If you are not at home the Courier will leave a note or call you. You can pick it up then in your local post office.

    How many bottles can I order?

    The maximum per box is 3 bottles, as this doesn't exceed the limit for personal consumption. Larger orders will be splitted in multiple boxes."(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ all I can say is that I have purchased from the German absinthe distributor in the past with zero problems, and they 100% guarantee to US customers that if you don't receive your Absinthe order you won't be charged for it.
    Normally if you purchase direct from distributor they assume it's for display purposes. It's a whole 'toss up' of whether or not they decide to take your bottle of absinthe in the mail and tell you to piss off.


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    ^^^ that's exactly why they use a courier service rather than the mail !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ that's exactly why they use a courier service rather than the mail !!!
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    Also, if your bottle isn't actually delivered, i.e. the courier doesn't deliver the bottle to your door and get you to sign for it, you won't be charged. In other words the distributor eats the loss if for some reason customs decides to mess with your shipment.

    Piecing together the FAQ on various european distributor websites, it appears that there is a 2.25 liter threshold which applies to US shipments. If you are below that amount, the shipment is deemed to be for personal use and will probably not be hassled by US customs. If you are above that amount, the shipment is deemed to be for resale and will definitely be hassled by US customs. Additionally, there is nothing illegal about an American citizen buying Absinthe. If anything illegal is going on, it would be on the part of the foreign distributor shipping Absinthe into the USA with a wormwood/thujone level that exceeds the FDA threshold. Thus it certainly appears to me that purchasing Absinthe from a foreign distributor who guarantees delivery to your door is 100% legal and 100% risk free (from the American buyer's standpoint at least).

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    True. It is legal to buy, not to sell, within the US or to the US. The only thing that would happen is your booze get taken away, but the seller could be fined or arrested. It is also legal to make your own absinthe as long as it's for personal use. I had to look this up for a friend a few days ago and I was thorough but it seems you have it pretty much down.


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    ^^^ what can I say !!! I was 'introduced' to Absinthe while I spent a summer in the Med in the late 90's, and I liked the stuff way too much to not have a 'taste' every now and then. I also can't say enough about the 'lucid' buzz - as in you can be drunk on your ass with a bit of 'secondary effects' along with it, and still 'function' OK ! I guess this is why the 'artists' were into Absinthe a century ago. I'm no artist, but it's also handy to be able to 'function' OK during romantic moments, or even when working in alcohol topless clubs.

    You're also correct that it's legal to make your own Absinthe in the USA. In fact, there are now 'kits' for sale for just this purpose ---> However, these kits use the 'maceration' method of alcohol solvent extraction of the herb flavors rather than true distillation, which I wouldn't really recommend. However, it IS illegal to distill alcoholic spirits in the USA without a license, even if only for personal use, which is the reason that the 'kits' can't use true distillation.


    PS it's sort of too bad that all of this Absinthe stuff wound up being posted under the heading of beer. Perhaps the mods would be kind enough to 'split' this thread.
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