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    I was forwarded this message from my cousin who has a friend living in France. it was appalling and shocking, because this news is (not surprisingly) not being reported here in the States. so, i repost it here, as well as fwding it to all my Jewish friends. this is.. deeply saddening and i wish Bush would do something about this as he *claims* to be a friend of Israel (im a skeptic on anything the man says).

    Subject:: Current happenings in France


    I received this post from a friend in NY. One of his friends is living
    in France and posted this to him with the request that Andy distribute
    it to his American friends.

    Andy prefaces with: "Once again, the real news in France is
    conveniently not being reported as it should. To give you an idea of
    what's going on in France where there are now between 5 and 6 million
    Muslims and about 600,000 Jews, here is an email that came from a Jew
    living in France. Please read!"

    "Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time? He
    writes, "I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to everyone on
    all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back and do nothing." Nowhere have
    the flames of anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France: In
    Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set on fire. In
    Montpellier, the Jewish religious center was firebombed; so were
    synagogues in Strasbourg and Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in
    Creteil - all recently. A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked
    with Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred Dreyfus in Paris,
    the words "Dirty Jew" were painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members
    of a Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The bus that
    takes Jewish children to school in Aubervilliers has been attacked
    three times in the last 14 months.

    "According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen 10 to 12
    anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past 30 days. Walls in Jewish
    neighborhoods have been defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the
    gas chambers" and "Death to the Jews." A gunman opened fire on a
    kosher butcher's shop (and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse,
    France; a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five men in
    Villeurbanne, France . The woman was pregnant; a Jewish school was
    broken into and vandalized in Sarcelles, France. This was just in the
    past week.

    "So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a friend, or merely a
    person with the capacity and desire to distinguish decency from
    depravity, to do, at least, these three simple things:

    "First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let yourself become
    deluded into thinking that this is not your fight. I remind you of
    what Pastor Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for the
    Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist. Then
    they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew.
    Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was
    a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me".

    Second, boycott France and French products. Only the Arab countries
    are more toxically anti-Semitic and, unlike them, France exports more
    than just oil and hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.
    Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott their movies.
    Definitely boycott their shores. If we are resolved we can exert
    amazing pressure and, whatever else we may know about the French, we
    most certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a hurricane in the
    face of well-directed pressure.

    Third, send this along to your family, your friends, and your
    co-workers. Think of all of the people of good conscience that you
    know and let them know that you and the people that you care about
    need their help.
    The number one best selling book in France is...."September 11: The
    Frightening Fraud," which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon.

    Love it!

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    I've been following this lately, actually. I don't know what Bush is supposed to be able to do about it, but anyway it was bound to happen. France is now pretty much an Islamic country - not officially, but according to the demographics. A Jew is no safer in France than in Iran. I read last week that there are now over 30,000 French Jews living in Florida.

    This situation is also rapidly developing in Norway.

    Every Jew needs to have a plan. We will always be faced with the possibility of violence and attempts at extermination. Jewish parents need to stay friendly with at least one gentile family they trust enough to take their children. And we all need to have a plan for hiding, fighting, or blending in. It could just as easily show up here as anywhere else, especially as Muslims breed and spread. Be ready.

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    I have a lot of good friends in the military so my view of France is colored by historical awkward moments of France not reciprocating for favors done by the American military. & They are still soreheaded about the petrochemical contract they had with Iraq being blitzed by Bush going to war with Iraq. In short, France doesn't want to hear what the U.S. has to tell them....No way.

    Back to the OP topic...it is possible for Islamic populations to live in accordance with secular law..look at Turkey. It's up to France to rein in its Muslim population.
    Last edited by madmaxine; 04-30-2007 at 05:07 PM. Reason: added info

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    can someone please post a link about *why* jews seem to be a target? i seriously dont get it!!

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    France is far from Muslim...it's just on its way. It's mostly secular, really, although Christians are still a technical plurality.

    But the noisy Muslim minority is causing these sorts of problems.

    I am becoming more and more convinced that Islam and the West simply can't co-exist, at least right now.

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    I am becoming more and more convinced that Islam and the West simply can't co-exist, at least right now.
    You need to qualify 'the West' in terms of western countries that support Palestine vs western countries that support Israel (which at the moment seems to boil down to only the USA and the UK) !

    (snip)"the European elites bear a heavy responsibility in this regard, for it is their own manifest indulgence of and indeed in the classical motifs of “Jewish conspiracy” theories — notably with regard to Middle East politics and their criticisms of American foreign policy — that will have made the specific choice of Jews as scapegoats seem quite legitimate. The American public got a hint of this style of discourse in September of last year when William Safire in the New York Times (September 19, 2002) cited Rudolf Scharping, Germany’s former minister of defense, as explaining President Bush’s eagerness to oust Saddam Hussein by the influence of “a powerful — perhaps overly powerful — Jewish lobby.” It is interesting to note that, when Scharping sent a letter of denial to the Times (October 4, 2002), he disowned “blaming American Jews” for the Bush administration’s Iraq policy but went on to refer to the “understandable” interests of American Jews as being somehow especially germane to the issue. Since Scharping, like the government he lately represented, was radically opposed to any military intervention in Iraq, this amounted to a rather feeble rhetorical attempt to square the circle. As an empirical matter, furthermore, he would have had to look no further than the pages of, say, a Tikkun magazine to find American Jews and even self-styled Zionists who were as hostile to the administration’s Iraq policy as he was himself. But it is precisely the peculiarity of anti-Semitism as an ideology to efface the empirical diversity of individuals and to conceive Jews as acting everywhere en bloc.

    The denouement to the controversy surrounding Gretta Duisenberg’s Palestinian flag is similarly revealing. Mrs. Duisenberg is the wife of Wim Duisenberg, the outgoing president of the European Central Bank. Having, on her own account, carried the flag in a pro-Palestinian rally in mid-April 2002 — a rally at which, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, slogans like “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas!” were chanted — she then proceeded to hang it from the balcony of the Duisenberg family home in Amsterdam. When, some weeks later, Jewish neighbors called Mrs. Duisenberg to object to the presence of the flag and ask her to remove it, she is supposed to have deflected their objections with the observation that “rich Jews” are responsible for “the oppression of the Palestinian people.” This is at least how Mrs. Duisenberg was quoted in the Dutch press, based on the reports of the neighbors in question. "(snip)

    "The examples are also revealing of the manner in which the prevailing anti-Semitism in Europe forms a system with the typically more openly avowed anti-Americanism. On a popular level, this gets crudely and symptomatically expressed by the allusions to Coca-Cola and McDonald’s — those icons of supposedly “Americanized” globalization — that are a virtually constant feature of pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli demonstrations and discourse in Europe. In May 2002, this author was himself witness to a pro-Palestinian rally in Paris’s Barbès district, during which the main speaker delivered a head-spinning harangue alleging that every hamburger purchased at McDonald’s creates revenues for the Israeli state which are in turn used to purchase tanks to kill Palestinian children. The conclusion that inevitably followed was that McDonald’s — and other likewise “Jewish” (sic) chains — had to be boycotted. As leftist trade unions and Jose Bové’s Confederation of French Farmers have, with various pretexts and at various times, called for just such action, their campaign against the “American fast-food giant” was now invested with the aspect of a veritable “Jewish boycott.” The comparison, it must be said, in light of the methods employed by the leftist groups — including vandalism, intimidation of customers, and the spreading of bizarre atrocity stories (one McDonald’s manager was accused, for instance, of intentionally locking an employee in a freezer) — did not seem wholly inappropriate. As it happens, it was just days after the Barbès rally that the Israeli embassy in Paris went up in flames in a fire that the French authorities immediately called accidental — even though the Parisian police admitted nearly a week later to having not yet inspected the grounds.

    A poster displayed at an “anti-war” demonstration last October in Berlin provided a graphically condensed version of the same “theory” developed by the Barbès orator. On it was depicted a Big Mac with a dead baby in place of the hamburger meat, a bullet hole through its stomach. The words “Made in Israel” were written under the illustration.10 A still more fevered expression of analogous phantasms, shorn even of the real pretext of the Middle East conflict, was recently observable on the streets of Paris in the form of a sticker featuring the phrase “Sida sans frontières” (“aids without Borders”). This is a play on the formula adopted by various ngos, such as “Doctors without Borders” or “Reporters without Borders.” Above the phrase were three symbols: a dollar sign, a star of David, and a hammer and sickle. Thus, apparently America and Jews are supposed somehow to be responsible for the global aids crisis. One could hardly imagine a more extreme, or more convoluted, vehicle of demonization. The bizarre addition of the hammer and sickle ominously recalls Nazi propaganda, which alternately — or indeed seemingly all at once — made Jews the purveyors of “Anglo-Saxon” mercantile interests and of Bolshevism. Here the hammer and sickle was presumably meant to connote Communist China, which by virtue of recent reports of its own struggles with the aids virus is seemingly supposed to form part of the aids-spreading global syndicate. In lieu of the “Judeo-Bolshevik-Anglo-Saxon” conspiracy of yore, we have an apparently “Judeo-Sino-American” conspiracy of today."(snip)
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    I dont think its just Jewish people getting targeted in France, not that that makes it any better of course.

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    For this, we fought World War II?

    I emailed Bush and asked him to put some pressure on France. Now that he's got my email, he'll do that, of course.

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    ^heh.
    Melonie, good snippets. interesting i mean.

    Yek- what's bush supposed to do? well the entire administration could allow more about this in the press, for starters. (i've heard nothing of this til the email came thru and i do read certain papers daily, so maybe it's just our philly papers but im inclined to think not..) with no press there's going to be very little known about these goings on (obv) and with lacking knowledge of the happenings and anti semitic acts how can anyone do anything? after searching online and finding barely a thing i went and searched the Israeli papers. i had more ease finding things but i started to wonder (conspiracy theory i know) if maybe internet settings prevented me from viewing certain things due to me being in the US. i found this one, fairly recent from Haaretz, Israel's top newspaper:
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...&itemNo=853462

    side note-im actually really glad they started translating to english online (i had no idea til i searched for it lol, i was reading it in hebrew cuz i did not know any better. i was wondering how i was gonna share the link with yall, lol @ self.)

    but i also found this one, that shows in a study done in 06 that it's not just france, it's worldwide. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...&itemNo=848591

    this all has me unable to sleep, thinking about something my great grandfather did during WWII. he donated a ton of money so that 52 Jewish children stuck in Europe could be smuggled out and into the US. i remember being 11 or 12 and interviewing him about this and why he did it. i recall him saying that he knew that the gov't wasn't looking to help in that fashion and that he felt guilty in that he was privileged to have left England when he was 16 (in 1912) and be able to get into the US with no problem.

    i also was thinking about when i was 15 and in France with my grandparents, visiting Le Marais, the Jewish quarter. i recall the warmth there that people showed and wonder now how the vibe on the streets there has changed.

    Love it!

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    Sadly, the vast majority of Europe is and always has been anti-Semitic.
    God, grant me the senility, to forget the people I never liked anyway,
    The good fortune to run into the ones that I do,
    And the eyesight to know the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy68
    Yek- what's bush supposed to do? well the entire administration could allow more about this in the press, for starters.
    Huh? It's not the president's job to decide what news is covered in the press. If you want to get the word out, contact Reuters, AP, CNN, Clear Channel, and other media outlets and tell them to spend more time on this and less time on Anna Nicole Smith. But that still isn't Bush's job.

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    well damn. i went searching to prove you wrong yek and found you were right. *backfires* but im glad i learned that. i think too many bush haters have been spewing things in my ear and ive been buying all of it. but to clarify i wasnt meaning the president directly, i was meaning the govt administration, but i realize im wrong. still, lacking the coverage in the media, and spending less time on the sensational stories like ANS is saddening. this plays into my absolute hatred of our society's love of reality tv.

    Love it!

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    ^^^ Amen to that. It's exactly like Brave New World... we chose and embraced our own slavery because we as a society preferred ignorance. Now nobody gives a shit about anything, including their own freedom. Who cares about genocide or cultural invasion when "American Idol" is on?

    Used to be religion, but now television is the opiate of the masses.

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