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    My new guy told me this past week that he's prone to getting cold sores on occasion. I've known him for almost six months and have never seen him get one, but he told me since he knows there's a small risk of transmission not just by kissing, but to the genitals.

    Like a lot of people that are prone to cold sores, he's had them since he was a kid, so I'm not one of those people that assumes that cold sores = nasty ho.

    I'm just slightly worried that even though the risk of transmission from oral sex is rather small, it is a possibility even before a breakout is visible.

    Has anyone here gotten genital herpes from oral sex or know someone who does? I think it would be a little premature to halt all cunnilingus with him permanently because of this. Especially since he's really, really good at it.
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    My gyno said that the oral herpes CAN get on your genitals, but it cant really live there, so it's not the same virus as genital herpes. But you can possibly get a sore from oral herpes, but it's a different thing so it'll go away. Just what my gyno told me.

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    Yes my ex bf had a coldsore (it wasn't visible at the time) and went down on me and I ended up with a shocking case of genital herpes. The problem is when the coldsore is barely visible, like it was in this case u dont know. I mean if it was a huge festering thing I would not have allowed him to go down on me.

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    But I don't think oral herpes can give you genital herpes. They are different.

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    My doctor told me that's what caused it. I also know I wasnt having sex at the time - just oral.

    Actually both are caused by the herpes simplex virus

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    I know a pretty large percentage of the population has oral herpes, but a much smaller percentage of people have genital herpes. So either it really is different, or not a lot of people out there are getting blown or eaten out.

    None of his prior girlfriends have gotten genital herpes (he's been in 2 long-term relationships) so I'm guessing that's a good sign for me. Still, it's something for me to think about.
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    Found this useful site: http://www.herpes.com/Transmission.shtml

    How do you get Herpes?

    Herpes is spread by direct skin to skin contact. Unlike a flu virus that you can get through the air, herpes spreads by direct contact, that is, directly from the site of infection to the site of contact. For example, if you have a cold sore and kiss someone, you can transfer the virus to their mouth. Similarly, if you have active genital herpes and have vaginal or anal intercourse, you can give your partner genital herpes. Finally, if you have a cold sore and put your mouth on your partners genitals (oral sex), you can give your partner genital herpes.

    When Is Herpes Most Likely To Be Spread?

    Herpes is most easily spread when a sore is present, but, it is also often spread at other times too. Some people notice itching, tingling or other sensations before they see anything on their skin. These are called "Prodromal Symptoms" and they warn that virus may be present on the skin. Herpes is most likely to be spread from the time these first symptoms are noticed until the area is completely healed and the skin looks normal again. Sexual contact (oral, vaginal, or anal) is very risky during this time.

    Can Herpes Be Transmitted Without Symptoms?

    Yes! Sometimes those who know they are infected spread the virus between outbreaks, when no signs or symptoms are present. This is called "Asymptomatic Transmission."
    Research also shows that herpes simplex infections are often spread by people who don't know they are infected. These people may have symptoms so mild they don't notice them at all or else don't recognize them as herpes.

    Many genital herpes infections are spread from persons who are asymptomatic "Shedders" of the virus.

    For those who recognize their symptoms, asymptomatic transmission appears to be far less likely than spreading the virus when lesions are present. Many couples have had sexual relations for years without transmitting herpes. Some simply avoid having sexual contact when signs or symptoms are present. Others use condoms or other protection between outbreaks to help protect against asymptomatic shedding.

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    Default Re: Cold sores and genital herpes

    they are two different types of herpes.

    herpes simplex 1 and herpes simples 2


    i get cold sores, always have. You can get ORAL herpes in the genital region and visa versa, however it's a very low transmission rate and you need to having an active breakout.

    you can tell when you're getting a cold sore. it starts tingling/iching like crazy, even before the bumps come. You should not go down on anyone if you think you have one coming or at least 2 weeks AFTER the total sore goes away from your mouth.





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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    But I don't think oral herpes can give you genital herpes. They are different.
    Uh, yes you can. But you're right - they are different.

    HSV-1 tends to live in your nerves around your facial area. When the virus becomes active it tends to travel to your facial area.
    HSV-2 lives at the base of your spine and tends to travel to your genital region.

    BUT, you can get HSV-2 on your facial area, and HSV-1 on your genital region. The outbreaks tend to be less severe because they prefer their common places, so you may have 1 outbreak and never get one again.

    It is possible to spread oral herpes, to your genitals and it is possible to spread genital herpes to your facial region. It's from skin to skin contact.

    *Note: You also DO NOT have to be having an outbreak (or a cold-sore) to spread it. Read up on asymtomatic shedding. Of course, your chances lessen, but there is still a chance and there is no telling when you're shedding the virus either. Drugs like Valtrex, lessen this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy View Post
    I know a pretty large percentage of the population has oral herpes, but a much smaller percentage of people have genital herpes. So either it really is different, or not a lot of people out there are getting blown or eaten out.

    None of his prior girlfriends have gotten genital herpes (he's been in 2 long-term relationships) so I'm guessing that's a good sign for me. Still, it's something for me to think about.
    50%+ of the US population lives with HSV-1. About 25% live with HSV-2. Sooo, 75%+ live with some form either type 1, or 2.

    I don't know what the big deal about herpes is, seeing as it's a lot like chickenpox. If 75% of people live with it, why is it so taboo? Use a dental dam if it bothers you. I haven't know many people to get HSV-1 on their genitals unless their partner has a big gaping fresh cold sore.
    But why risk it if you could just prevent it by using a dental dam?

    Also, if your guy wants to cut your chances of getting it and his chances of having another cold sore he could get on Valtrex (works for both types and shingles) which would slim his chances annually of giving it to you to some 3%. Obviously, the odds are in your favor there.

    Not to freak you out or anything, you may have HSV and not know it. A lot of people never show symptoms.
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    I have good news. He may not have cold sores. Cold sores (herpes) are often confused with canker sores (not herpes). The links tell you the difference:

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    I have good news. He may not have cold sores. Cold sores (herpes) are often confused with canker sores (not herpes). The links tell you the difference:

    http://dentistry.ouhsc.edu/intranet-...aHomeOPCE.html
    http://www.animated-teeth.com/cold_s...res_stages.htm
    http://www.animated-teeth.com/canker...uth_ulcers.htm
    Yup. Canker and cold sores get misdiagnosed as one another all the time.
    Once I went to the doctor to have him look at the ulcers in my mouth and ended up with this doctor I'd never been to before because he could see me. She prescribed me valtrex (or something like it) at the ripe old age of 12 without even looking at anything.

    Come to find after reading, they were/are (still get them) canker sores and NOT contagious like cold sores are. Pretty painful though.

    However, canker sores appear on the inside of the mouth and cold sores usually appear on the outside around the lips. If he says he has cold sores, he probably does. No big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    But I don't think oral herpes can give you genital herpes. They are different.
    yah they can. it doesnt go away either.

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    oh and herpes is like asthma anymore. , everyone has that shit. it's abitch im sur e when they break out but not the end of the world.

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    Ok ladies. Herpes 101:

    BOTH herpes viruses can infect you BOTH orally and genitally. BOTH. BOTH! You can get herpes on your genitals from someone who has coldsores, and you can ALSO transfer it on YOURSELF from one place to another - either direction. YES IT IS POSSIBLE and YES it does happen.

    The two viruses are only slighly different. But BOTH can infect you in either place and it DOES NOT GO AWAY, EVER. You may experience few or diminished outbreaks, but it never goes away. Any crap you've heard or read about each virus only infecting one body area is just that: C-R-A-P. Either version can infect and live in either area. The main difference between the two viruses is that Simplex 2 is usually "stronger", ie more frequent and potent outbreaks. But each person will be affected differently - depends on your own immunity and how your body reacts. Some people never even realize they have it; others get really nasty and painful, frequent outbreaks.

    I have coldsores and am very careful about kissing or anything when I have an outbreak. I know when I'm getting one because I can feel it - it itches and tingles on my lip before the blister shows up. I will NOT do any kissing on the mouth or oral sex from the time I feel the itching until the blister comes and goes away totally. I have not transferred it on myself, and as far as I know haven't passed it to anyone.

    I have never personally known anyone that this happened to (but I doubt most people would talk about it anyway...), but according to everything I've read, it can and does happen. If you're worried about getting the virus through oral sex with someone who has cold sores, then use protection (I am not so sure I'd trust another person's judgment on whether his/her mouth were safe if they are known to get coldsores). I'd rather be safe than sorry. Safer oral sex:

    use a dental dam. If you don't have a dental dam, you can always improvise, says Jill Ringold, the health educator at the Office of Health Promotion and Wellness (located in the Women's Building). In place of a dental dam, men can use an unrolled condom cut lengthwise, a cut-up latex glove, or nonbiodegradable plastic wrap.
    My personal take, as a nurse: given my druthers, I'd use a dental dam FIRST by preference. Next choice would be a LATEX or NITRILE glove, split open, as a barrier (much less fragile than a condom).

    Old-fashioned (non-microwavable) plastic wrap would be a very, very last choice---and I'd double-layer it, just in case--- but actually, I'd would rather say "heck with it" and do some other fun sexy hot things that DIDN'T involve fluid exchange risks....until I could get some dental dams.

    Using Saran or plastic wrap will work well as protection against HIV and other STD's. Saran/plastic wrap acts as an effective barrier against these diseases. Simply place a large enough piece of wrap over the vagina while giving her oral sex. This same safer sex technique can be used for oral-anal sex (rimming) as well. Saran/plastic wrap is widely available in most grocery stores/supermarkets, is low cost, and is not embarrassing to buy. In addition, you can see through them, they come in a wide variety of colors, and they do not have any bad taste to them.

    These are a better alternative than the latex "dental dams" that were promoted several years ago. Dental dams are 6"x6" pieces of latex that work the same way. However dental dams are very hard to find, you can't see through them, and they can have a bad taste to them. Using saran/plastic wrap is therefore a much easier alternative, and is an effective form of protection against HIV and other STD's.

    If you have any further questions, please call the Centers for Disease Control at 1-800-342-2437 (Nationwide).
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    It sucks cause i get both canker and cold sores...i've had cold sores the size of quarters on my lips and chin.

    i've been with my husband for 15 yrs. he does not get cold sores, he could be a carrier, but who's to know.

    as i said earlier and bridgette just said, i do not kiss him (well, he avoids me like the plague when i have one! lol), nor do i do oral.

    he has never had an outbreak anywhere.

    you just have to be careful and if you or your partner even THINKS that you/they feel that tingle, don't do it!

    i suppose other factors could come into it, like the overall health of the person receiving the oral/kissing. I suppose that if their immune system is suppressed by an illness of some sort, it COULD make it easier for them to get it cause their body can't fight it....but that's just my theory.





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    Oral herpes and genital herpes are different versions of the same virus. They can both infect either the mouth or the genitals.

    I know two people who got genital infections from people who only had oral infections (cold sores).

    Am I the only person who finds it ridiculous that having a cold sore is no big deal but having a genital outbreak is this big stigma?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    Oral herpes and genital herpes are different versions of the same virus. They can both infect either the mouth or the genitals.

    I know two people who got genital infections from people who only had oral infections (cold sores).

    Am I the only person who finds it ridiculous that having a cancre sore is no big deal but having a genital outbreak is this big stigma?
    Having a canker sore isn't as big of a deal as herpes is. Canker sores are not contagious (unless we're talking about the cancre sores that you get when you have syphillis?), while herpes ulcers are.

    Canker sores are simply mouth ulcers usually caused by stress, a small immune system flaw, or food allergies.

    Herpes is a virus, and can be transmitted unlike canker sores can.

    Now, if you're saying why is it not a big deal to get cold sores and it is a big deal to have genital herpes - I'll never know. It's not any bigger of a deal than getting it on your mouth and at least it's not visible. People never feel the need to tell someone they have a cold sore, but if you don't tell your partner you have genital herpes - you're a horrible person putting needless people at risk.

    Honestly, I think that is bullshit. Same virus, same results, just different places most of the time.

    But, STD's just have more of a stigma than any other viruses.

    As someone once said "Genital herpes is just getting cold sores in really inconvienient places."

    Also, not everyone has a prodomal phase (itching, burning, etc.) so not everyone knows when they're going to have an OB. Better to be safe, than to be sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xBlackBettyx View Post
    Having a canker sore isn't as big of a deal as herpes is. Canker sores are not contagious (unless we're talking about the cancre sores that you get when you have syphillis?), while herpes ulcers are.

    Canker sores are simply mouth ulcers usually caused by stress, a small immune system flaw, or food allergies.

    Herpes is a virus, and can be transmitted unlike canker sores can.

    Now, if you're saying why is it not a big deal to get cold sores and it is a big deal to have genital herpes - I'll never know. It's not any bigger of a deal than getting it on your mouth and at least it's not visible. People never feel the need to tell someone they have a cold sore, but if you don't tell your partner you have genital herpes - you're a horrible person putting needless people at risk.

    Honestly, I think that is bullshit. Same virus, same results, just different places most of the time.

    But, STD's just have more of a stigma than any other viruses.

    As someone once said "Genital herpes is just getting cold sores in really inconvienient places."

    Also, not everyone has a prodomal phase (itching, burning, etc.) so not everyone knows when they're going to have an OB. Better to be safe, than to be sorry.
    I misspoke, I meant cold sores. I'll fix it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    I misspoke, I meant cold sores. I'll fix it.
    I though so after I typed that book I was like...eh...ow well. lol

    But, you're right. I have no clue why there is little stigma on cold sores, and so much on genital herpes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xBlackBettyx View Post
    I though so after I typed that book I was like...eh...ow well. lol

    But, you're right. I have no clue why there is little stigma on cold sores, and so much on genital herpes.

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    It's a ball python. I'm a bit of an exotics fanatic. I have a soft spot in my heart for most things creepy crawlie.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    It's a ball python. I'm a bit of an exotics fanatic. I have a soft spot in my heart for most things creepy crawlie.
    Awesome! I went python shopping and found the cutest ball python, he was really good tempered too. Now I just need to go back and get him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xBlackBettyx View Post
    Awesome! I went python shopping and found the cutest ball python, he was really good tempered too. Now I just need to go back and get him.
    Balls are awsome but if you haven't owned one before just know they can be a pain in the ass about food at times. In the wild the eat gerbils. In general they'll eat mice ok but sometimes they're finicky. Getting them to eat prekilled is a pain in the ass lol. Worth the effort though as thier mild mannered ways make them prone to bites etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    Balls are awsome but if you haven't owned one before just know they can be a pain in the ass about food at times. In the wild the eat gerbils. In general they'll eat mice ok but sometimes they're finicky. Getting them to eat prekilled is a pain in the ass lol. Worth the effort though as thier mild mannered ways make them prone to bites etc.
    I started off looking at Burmese since I started off wanting a python that was going to get fairly big...but then I started handling some ball pythons and they all seemed to have a fairly easy going manner compared to all the others I was around, except one but then again he was in a cage with 2 other good sized snakes - I'd probably be pretty pissed too.
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