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    Working all day in a club has become boring and stagnated for me.

    I'm considering offering private parties instead. My parties will consist of dancing, toy shows, etc. The parties I will offer will not be full service. I don't care for any legal dramas.

    I figure I can make the same amount of money or more for that matter doing private parties, which, to me would be better than slaving all day begging for dances in a club.

    I'm concerned about the pros and cons of incall vs outcall.

    Many of you on here at true VETS at this and I'd like your words of wisdom.

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    Have you looked at the "Private Party Dancing" forum? You might find your answers there.

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    Also..private party dancing and escorting are NOT the same thing. If you advertise as an escort ...you will likely be expected to do more then dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Also..private party dancing and escorting are NOT the same thing. If you advertise as an escort ...you will likely be expected to do more then dance.
    In most parts of the US, escort=hooker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingerlee View Post
    In most parts of the US, escort=hooker.

    Not to mention Illegal hooker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdame View Post
    I don't care for any legal dramas.
    Yes, I agree you should go up to Private Dancing forum and read in there. You also need to check into your areas laws concerning solicitation/prostitution.







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    Speaking of avoiding legal drama, you might want to check out what the laws are in your area, in case something like toy shows might possibly be considered prostitution. Unlikely, but you never know.
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    I agree with many posters here. You need to check into the laws of your state. Also i did outcall. Was better for me. I did perform a few (through an escort agency) "toy shows' and the man would watch, relieve himself. ALSO, red flag...MANY escort agencies will tell you at the interview that you can make much more money than the standard, but they are not saying having sex with him, that is how they protect their ass. If you perform sex and it's vice, you take the fall not the company. I don't care what anyone says unless they get into the books (which are usually cooked anyway for some NOT ALL companies) and see you gave extra $$$ to the company.

    It's a very touchy job. You need to be careful.

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    I agree that even though you might be doing things legally, you will still be (at the very least) harassed by vice, if not arrested just for being at a scene they are interested in breaking up. You don't have to be caught in the act to get busted. Sometimes you don't even have to agree to anything (which you can also be busted for) but just being there is enough for some cops.

    If you just wanna take your regs out of the club for OTC then that's a little safer. If you are going to be advertising publicly, then expect to get fucked with.

    The one time I signed on with an escort agency for extra fetish and Domme work ended up horribly. They sent me on an escort outcall (even though I told them I didn't want to do full service at all) saying that the guy wanted a fetish. Turns out he wanted two girls and they considered that a fetish. So I show up with my dreadlocks and pierced face and the guy and I both decided that I didn't belong there. The weird-as-hell agency's driver got pulled over by some cops while he was taking me home. The other girl was in the customer's house doing her job. It turns out the driver had coke in the car and he was arrested. They went back to the john's house and arrested both him and the girl. I had to spend an hour or so giving a statement and call a friend to come pick me up. Luckily the cops knew I was telling the truth.

    Moral of the story: Escorting is a very sticky situation, especially with agencies. They didn't catch the john and call girl in the act, but she was still arrested just for being there.

    Incall is just far too dangerous, IMO. Do you really think you can sleep at night knowing a bunch of customers know where you live? I had a dungeon in the attic space of an old apartment and I never did my sessions in the actual apartment, but there was always this fear in the back of my mind that some disgruntled weirdo would stalk me or something. I eventually got a male roommate for safety.

    So my overall opinion is that your best bet is to get your regulars to meet you in a hotel. Have a male driver, a cell phone, an escape plan and never talk about anything sketchy over the phone. Pay your driver $30 an hour or so to wait for you nearby and keep his number at the top of your list so you can call him right away in case of an emergency. Never do anything out of financial desperation, always listen to your gut instinct and always get the money up front.

    *whew*! That was a lot. Hope that helped.

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    geez.... that is alot of important info ladies. I've heard of girls getting arrested just because so that is not appealing to me one bit. I have yet to check into the laws because I haven't started yet. But I will look it up online. I want to offer toy shows, fetishes, massages,etc. I wouldn't trust an agency.
    Aren't vice "supposed" to tell you if they're vice when asked to avoid the entrapment thing? I know cops are dirty and have heard of situations where the girl asked and the answer was no but still got arrested.
    I'm thinking it would be better to have them sign a release form but hell, how many guys would want to give me their id's to copy and sign anything? None I suppose.
    Geepers, all of this crap just to try to take the stress out of working in a slow ass club to only get even more stressed. Boy o boy....

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    Millions of girls are on webcam, so I doubt if I could make decent money doing that too.
    Thanks for the info ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdame View Post
    Aren't vice "supposed" to tell you if they're vice when asked to avoid the entrapment thing? I know cops are dirty and have heard of situations where the girl asked and the answer was no but still got arrested.
    NO NO NO.... if this was true they would never make any arrests. I am always shocked to hear that this rumer is still going around. Cops dont have to tell you ANYTHING. Entrapment is if they make you do something you wouldnt normally do. NOT if they catch you doing something.

    Look up the laws...contact a lawyer who is familiar with the laws and keep a copy of the law with you when you are working. Believe it or not..some cops dont actually know the laws...esp the details and ESP if they differ from town to town,etc. So if they tell you what you are doing is illegal and you know it is not...you can cite the statute that backs you up and provide written proof.

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    That is so true,Vice wont tell you shit.They will give you cash fuck you than arrest you,It happens all the time.Most vice are the biggest scumbucket fuckers you will ever meet

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    NO NO NO.... if this was true they would never make any arrests. I am always shocked to hear that this rumer is still going around. Cops dont have to tell you ANYTHING. Entrapment is if they make you do something you wouldnt normally do. NOT if they catch you doing something.

    Look up the laws...contact a lawyer who is familiar with the laws and keep a copy of the law with you when you are working. Believe it or not..some cops dont actually know the laws...esp the details and ESP if they differ from town to town,etc. So if they tell you what you are doing is illegal and you know it is not...you can cite the statute that backs you up and provide written proof.

    Excellent advice, vice dosent have to tell you squat. They can do the deed and THEN arrest you and take your money to. So, be very - VERY carefull.
    I don't think this can be stressed enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdame View Post
    geez.... that is alot of important info ladies. I've heard of girls getting arrested just because so that is not appealing to me one bit. I have yet to check into the laws because I haven't started yet. But I will look it up online. I want to offer toy shows, fetishes, massages,etc. I wouldn't trust an agency.
    Aren't vice "supposed" to tell you if they're vice when asked to avoid the entrapment thing? I know cops are dirty and have heard of situations where the girl asked and the answer was no but still got arrested.
    I'm thinking it would be better to have them sign a release form but hell, how many guys would want to give me their id's to copy and sign anything? None I suppose.
    Geepers, all of this crap just to try to take the stress out of working in a slow ass club to only get even more stressed. Boy o boy....
    Uh... I'd trust an agency before going all out on my own that's for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    Uh... I'd trust an agency before going all out on my own that's for sure.
    Nope. That neither - they make you sign stuff that protects their butt and not yours. Agency or not, your still on your own. AND you have to fork over some of your money

    Always, always, ALWAYS protect yourself. Know the laws and even keep a lawyer on retainer. I know that sounds paranoid - better safe than sorry.

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    She was talking about private party work. You are not on your own if you're not hooking which is exactly what she said she didn't want to do.

    My agency backs me up. My agency gets me work. My agency calls the police for me in emergencies because it's MUCH easier to call them screaming then to call the police and figure out what address you're at and tell them before you're dead.


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    I'm an escort.

    I prefer incalls for my first time clients. I will do an outcall to an upscale hotel or a nice apartment complex.

    I don't do outcalls to houses unless it's a client I've seen 5 or 6 times, know where they work, know their home number and can verify it with the name they gave me, etc. Outcalls can be very very dangerous. The whole job is a risk but an outcall to a strange house, even if it's a mansion owned by a B list celebrity (yeah, it happened to me) could be a bad situation.

    Some girls charge more for incalls (cuz they gotta pay for the room) and then some girls charge more for outcalls (cuz they gotta travel and somehow people think bigger risk=bigger dollars...but if someone slits your throat and throws you in the woods...is that extra $100 for an outcall really worth it?).

    Learn your legislature. Learn your laws. Learn the faces of some police officers. Go to bars frequented by police officers, you'd be surprised at the stuff you overhear about so-called classified activities and upcoming busts, etc.

    A cop, not even a vice cop but a cop working a prostitution case can most times come to your location, get naked, have a drink, have drugs in their possession, etc. 90% of the time the only thing they CAN'T do is touch you first (in legal terms that is called accosting) or consume illicit drugs. They can lie to you, touch their genetalia, etc.

    You'd be surprised at what they can do. Thank God, I've never been busted...not that the cops haven't tried. I actually operate on the right side of the law. I had this cop that was trying to bust me for almost a year. He'd come to me and get massages, cuddle and watch TV. He'd spent close to $20k on me in about 8 months. You ALWAYS gotta be on your P's and Q's. He asked me one day how much it was gonna cost him to fuck my brains out and I said "sweetie...if you wanna stay all night with me and get me comfortable, I'll stay for 10 hours for about $1500 just cuz I like you."

    He jumped up and started jumping on the bed cursing and screaming at me. He was like, FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING WHORE! FUCK YOU!!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MY DEPARTMENT HAS INVESTED IN THIS CASE? WILL YOU JUST FUCKING NAME A SEX ACT AND A PRICE SO WE CAN FINALLY BUST YOUR ASS, BITCH?!! YOU ARE GOING TO COST ME MY FUCKING CAREER!!!" His superiors came knocking and removed him from the room.

    Wouldn't ya know the "Big Guys" sent me notice that they wanted the accounting for my business income and my tax history for the last few years? I claim my income, my escorting is a business...and everything was accounted for so no tax evasion issues for me!

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    Wow! What a story!^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberHoney View Post

    You'd be surprised at what they can do. Thank God, I've never been busted...not that the cops haven't tried. I actually operate on the right side of the law. I had this cop that was trying to bust me for almost a year. He'd come to me and get massages, cuddle and watch TV. He'd spent close to $20k on me in about 8 months. You ALWAYS gotta be on your P's and Q's. He asked me one day how much it was gonna cost him to fuck my brains out and I said "sweetie...if you wanna stay all night with me and get me comfortable, I'll stay for 10 hours for about $1500 just cuz I like you."
    So, how did you know he was a cop? Are you one of those escorts who doesn't have sex w/ clients?







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    Cops act like military guys. There is always a "tell" that cops have, even when they think they are being cool.

    Same way with any other sort of profession if one does it long enough.
    I've heard of worse stories..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    So, how did you know he was a cop? Are you one of those escorts who doesn't have sex w/ clients?
    Those exist??? lol, jk. I'd say escorting is kinda like...90% of the guys want sex and 10% just wanna spend time with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crow2 View Post
    Cops act like military guys. There is always a "tell" that cops have, even when they think they are being cool.

    Same way with any other sort of profession if one does it long enough.
    I've heard of worse stories..
    YES! They act like military guys and first timer's. I can't describe it but no matter how cool they are, they always just... it's weird.

    They are a little too aware of their surroundings - like they have been trained to memorize everything down to the manufacture of a bathroom faucet. They make a little too much direct eye contact. They never whisper. They always enunciate their words. They are a little too calm, or try to fake nervousness that comes off more schizo than nervous john.

    Usually if a guy is a cop in his day job, he comes in, puts the money on the table by counting it out so you can see what it is. Then they get naked and get to work without saying much. It can be scary though because if you don't see those 'cop who sees hookers in his personal time' tells... you might be inclined to pull that razor out of the insole of your platform and slice him in the eye area. Cuz they basically let it be known with no words that they wanna pay you, fuck you, and leave. Usually they tell you they're a cop AFTERWARDS and that they know all the girls, it's just a thing they like to do, ask you if you knew and how you could tell, etc.

    The cop client can be a good thing, but if suddenly he comes and starts talking before hand... he might have turned on you and try to bust you. The best way to handle cases like this is sneaking cell phone pictures of him naked, snapping a pic of him in his car, or other ways to identify that he broke the law a dozen times before he decided to bust you. That happened to a friend of mine and wouldn't ya know that her charges disappeared AND her lil misdemeanor pot possession charge that was in the system disappeared too.

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    wow amber. your wisdom on this matter is wonderful.

    What are your thoughts about the C list?

    I've started offering massages but these nuts always ask for more. I love the idea of snapping pics of them while they're naked because I've heard of cases where even just giving a massage could constitute prostitution.

    I don't like the outcall to hotels upscale or not becuz I fear those could be stings of some sort. How are you able to be comfortable going?

    I have other questions but I'll just private message them to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdame View Post
    wow amber. your wisdom on this matter is wonderful.

    What are your thoughts about the C list?

    I've started offering massages but these nuts always ask for more. I love the idea of snapping pics of them while they're naked because I've heard of cases where even just giving a massage could constitute prostitution.

    I don't like the outcall to hotels upscale or not becuz I fear those could be stings of some sort. How are you able to be comfortable going?

    I have other questions but I'll just private message them to you.
    The C list can be okay but you gotta spam your butt off. You'll get 50 calls of bullshit, then a real one. Another 50 calls of BS, then another real one. You'll bank with half hour rates and, well... buy an economy pack of flavored condoms, if ya know what I mean. Lots of guys looking for that on there. It's not that much money, just an extra few hundred bucks each day you work. And for all the hassle...eh.

    I kinda...I don't see why offer just a massage? People who actually truly want massages go to the Estee Lauder spa at Macy and get rubbed down by Hilda and Sven. If someone is seeking you out to come massage them semi-nude or in a private location... you pretty much know they want extras.

    I typically don't offer outcalls to first time clients. I actually took an outcall to a really nice hotel last week from a guy I almost blew off totally just cuz I was in a lazy mood. Would you know I got $700 to spend 2 hours with him and lie in the bed and listen to him talk about his work? I gave him a BJ, too... but $700 to sit and chill and give a 10 minute BJ over an orange flavored condom...heh. Not bad. He sent me some gift cards to my PO box, too and told me that every time he comes back to my city he wants to see me.

    On my website, my FAQ's pretty much answer everything. If a guy is callin me asking me too many questions I just refer him to my website. Sometimes what you can put in print and say on phone/in person varies. Make sure that when you are talkin' to them you keep mentioning your time. If a guy just doesn't get it, I usually just say...I think you have the wrong number, I'm ending this call now...and hang up.

    As nasty and as foul and as rude as some callers will be... never ever ever cuss someone out, threaten them, set the appointment up and then pull a no-show or send them on a wild goose chase to wrong hotels, etc. Seriously, this business can be very dangerous.

    If you come across a psycho, treat them like a king, like they just RUN shit and you think they are the best thing since sliced bread. A lot of times rapists, murders, etc will get off on the fact that you DON'T like them and DON'T want to be with them. If you take that control/fear factor away from them by playing along...they usually just run.

    Get your memory into high gear, and take notes. Every little thing a john tells u about themselves, remember it. Even if you think they are lying. Lots of times they're being more honest and candid than you might think. Remember the names of their mothers, sisters, wives, kids, etc. Keep a book or send yourself emails about your johns. Who calls from what area codes, where they said they work, scars, tattoos, eye color, heritage, what school they went to, where they grew up, etc.

    Sometimes I can recognize the voice of someone from years ago when they call me. It's weird.

    PM me with any specific questions or concerns. I'd be glad to help. I looooove talking about escorting.

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    Well, I am/was an escort. (not a prostitute)

    Outcalls: I prefer them cause they are neutral territory. Only upscale hotels. Hyatts, Ritz, 250 a night+++-- Always get money upfront because if they want to bitch and whine that they didn't get sex, what are they going to do, call the cops? In certain areas you can get an "escort" liscense so if that does happen, YOU keep the money.

    Incalls: Ummm.. no, just, never...NEVER EVER EVER...

    Also, EROS.com and CITYVIBE.com are good places to advertise.

    you have to know how to screen a call to avoid weirdos. How old are they? Why are in they in town? What is their full name? Always make sure you call them at the hotel and make sure that they are there. Umm.. when you first get in there, always call someone so they know somebody knows you are there. Hang up if they start talking perverted.

    Theres a lot more, but incalls are super dangerous, they know you are there for extended periods of time working? oeiajfjalfjajfeiaf noooooooooooooooooo......

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