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    Does it disturb anyone else that since we can't seem to get club owners/managers to see that hiring any and all who apply hurts us, we should make it more expensive to work?
    Dead horse, I know, but I'm sick like that.

    Anyway, I am happily on the bandwagon for $20 dances. We've all talked about it before, and for as much as the dances have changed sine I started to now, the price should have changed right along with it. Are there other cities that have $10 dances? How many? Are we really that behind the times with the price of a good lap dance?




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    Quote Originally Posted by ExoticEngineer View Post
    Are there other cities that have $10 dances? How many? Are we really that behind the times with the price of a good lap dance?
    Atlanta is a the city of $10 dances. But the dances are no contact or very, very, very low, low, low contact. No friction, no titty slaps, no nothing. As Phx offers friction, dances should cost more.

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    ^^I'm all for increasing the dance prices to $20 a song and raising VIP rates as well. Personally I'm against an increase in the license - I only work here when I visit. I don't want to pay that much for a license when I only use it a few months out of the year. I don't even have to get a license now and if Phx did it and Scottsdale didn't, that city is fucked. I know you don't care B b/c it wouldn't affect you, but I like Scottsdale and don't want it to become even harder to make money there. I guess I'm the kind of dancer you are bitching about, but I don't club hop and dancing is not only for women that do it all year round, nor will it ever be. There will always be girls that are visiting and want spending money or just need to grab some money real quick for a bill, etc. And I think that's okay. It is not okay for management to all let them work on the same night when the # number of dancers should have been capped 10 girls ago.

    I agree with EE - we shouldn't make it harder or more expensive for us to work, the managers should care enough to not hire too many girls or cap the # of girls on each night. Or they should at least get us $20 a song!!!

    And no EE, I don't think there are any other major cities that have $10 dances as the norm. Maybe on day shift or a special night a week or in a tiny little place that doesn't have many customers.

    ETA: Just saw SS's post. Our $10 dances are not like ATL at all, except for Babes. The dances given in the rest of the city are definitely worth $20, esp with the increase in grinding/friction in the last few years.

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    Montreal: 'non contact' dances $8 song.

    Full contact (boob/ butt touching I mean) $10 a song. Canadian.

    I work at a Quebec club an hour and a half away from Montreal where the dances are $20. We get an inumerable amount of Montreal dancers on the weekends because of the price difference.

    I also come across plenty of Montreal customers (up on business, etc) who bitch to me about our $20 prices. They think $20 is ridiculous (for me to grind, and let them touch my breasts and ass). They always try to bargain me down, and I laugh as I walk away.

    It is ridiculous that the prices are that low in some major cities. What is a lapdance worth?

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    Doooooods. Customers and other nay-sayers: get it through yall's heads. The idea is not to ask City Council to pass this law to help us out. DUH how f'in stupid do you think I am? The IDEA is to anonymously suggest this fee hike aka sin tax as a voter-friendly way to generate lots of additional annual revenue for the city. FFS. City Council members historically LOVE such sin taxes.

    As for you girls who are against this, saying the clubs should cap the girls. That will never EVER happen. The ONLY way to effect any sort of "cap" on girls is to make it harder for them to enter the business in the first place, ala expensive licensing. Otherwise we're forever going to be stuck with too-cheap dances and ever-increasing numbers of girls. I don't give a shit if a few girls who only work 2-3 times a year don't like it - frankly they are part of the ones we need to keep out. This is a damn business, not a charity. If some chics need some quick cash here and there maybe they ought to figure out another way to make it. This is our livelihood we are talking about, and they are playing with.


    And EE, HELL YES we are that behind the times here re: lapdance prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    City Council members historically LOVE such sin taxes.
    Almost as much as they love closing down strip clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Almost as much as they love closing down strip clubs.
    This is not Houston. 'Nuff said.

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    Default Re: That bitch is charging too much for dances!! The NERVE!!!

    the timing of the attempts to close down houston clubs at the same time as the proposed mandatory cover charge for all texas clubs (of which houston ones are 1/4-1/3, depending on how you dice the numbers) is pretty interesting.

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    It just seems to me that if the market is just too flooded with girls, eventually the market will correct itself. Survival of the fittest as they say. Bringing the city into it just seems like asking for trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    It just seems to me that if the market is just too flooded with girls, eventually the market will correct itself. as they say.
    Wishful thinking. I for one have been hoping for this elusive market correction for years (and I know I am faaaaaarr from alone in that). It ain't gonna happen. Mainstream media makes it more appealing to be a stripper everyday; clubowners hire more and more girls everyday because each new girl is more money for them; shitty economy makes more women in straight jobs more desperate and willing to "lower" to our level, etc etc etc. What has been and is continuing to happen, is that the girls overall learn to accept ever-decreasing amounts for take-home pay, because "it's still better than ____ job" - also new girls have nothing to compare to, so they just accept it. Where does it stop? When do we say "EEEEE-fucking-nuff! We aren't putting up with this crap anymore"??

    Personally, I am not happy with working twice as hard for the same money I used to make. Especially when I look at the tipout list and see that, according to that, I made 2-4 times the money the other girls did that day. That is just shitty. Even more especially when I consider inflation, and realize that even the same money is effectively LESS than what I used to make, so I'm essentially working twice as hard for LESS. Noooo, not happy with that at all. None of the other girls are happy with it either, believe me.

    Something needs to be done. No one ever gets anywhere or accomplishes anything by being afraid to try. I have lived my entire life that way and I'm not about to stop now.

    Only way we've got a chance is to quietly get regulation making it much more difficult to be a stripper. Suing the clubs isn't going to work. Unionizing isn't going to work. Trying to band together isn't going to work. Rallying or lobbying isn't going to work. Just waiting and hoping isn't going to work. Complaining isn't going to work.

    But making the cost of entry in this business expensive CAN work. I have seen it with my own two eyes.

    I know many people are afraid of what the city might do. I think the chances of the city doing something crazy like trying to shut us all down are extremely low at best (this isn't Houston and no one is suggesting we raise a public effort - THAT would be most likely to cause us trouble). I think the potential gain for us girls is worth the risk. I think the risk is low enough to make it worth a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Only way we've got a chance is to quietly get regulation making it much more difficult to be a stripper.
    There are too many girls who are not stripper material and yet are still hired. It just kills me.

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    ^Yes ma'am, but tougher regulation will cut down on that alot. Because marginal girls will be less inclined/able to pay the fee. Believe me, that problem over here is waaaaaaayy worse than over there.

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    The market, itself, will never correct this situation to the goal Bridg is after. She wants to restrict the supply side to the point where those on the supply side can begin to regulate what the market is offering ( better looking dancers, more money and no extras). A market flooded with too many strippers leads to even lower prices, less money, or more "bang for the buck" because the demand side has so many choices. This may lead to the market being balanced by dancers leaving (the good ones) or more custies/johns entering the market now that the available commodity has changed (extras).

    I think the idea of whiteknighting an ordinance to benefit the industry, from the dancer's aspect, disguised as a sin tax is devilishly brilliant but fraught with unknown or unintended consequences.

    Good luck, tho, B

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    Ugh, it hurts my head to think about it too much. What I do know is my stripper shelf life would last much longer if I didn't have to be in combat with the extra's girls, who out number the non at msot of the clubs I have been to, and the HUGE SWARM OF STUPID STRIPPERS! Ack!

    It's killing my income, my drive and my joy for this job. Yes, at one point I really did enjoy my job.

    So B, make some magic happen woman!




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    How much of the $10 do the clubs take an AZ??? All of it???In the city of industry, there is no volume....and the dances are $20 but you only take $10 of it after house payout and tipout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzieK View Post
    How much of the $10 do the clubs take an AZ??? All of it???In the city of industry, there is no volume....and the dances are $20 but you only take $10 of it after house payout and tipout.
    Right now, after my payouts I go home with around $8 of each $10 dance I do.



    And EE, to answer your question from your previous post, yes it does irritate me that clubowners run things the way they do. It's an extremely short-sighted way to manage because oversupplying the market can only cause problems no one wants. Customers get pissed off and leave when there are too many girls pestering them constantly for dances. Desperation sets in and too many girls start providing way too much for a "dance", and that further drives away stripclub customers who come in to buy drinks, dances and party, and attracts johns who are only interested in some kind of sex. As we've seen in Houston, that shit is just BEGGING for trouble. I'd rather see some regulation to control this before it gets totally out of hand.


    *runs off to do some research*

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    *THIS JUST IN*

    My adorable little club, which I love, even though it has rampant extra's going on, informed me that I will no longer be able to keep a custy in the VIP for an extended amount of time unless 1. He checks me out for the time 2. he buys a bottle of Champagne after a certain amount of time AND 3. I pay $20 for every hour I spend with said customer in the VIP. This in NOT the CR and that 20 is on top of the $10 I pay every night to use the damn VIP room.

    WTF is wrong with people?!?!?!? You hire WAY too many girls! HALF of them have no reason to be on that stage, you keep rasing our fees and changing our rules and turning your head to all the PROSTITUTION going on!

    *breath*

    I'm so not happy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    I know many people are afraid of what the city might do.
    Ya know, my initial concerns over that point are lessening as I realize that: 1) the situation you describe is so shitty now that it's going to drive out you and dancers like you if nothing is done, so how could even a bad result be much worse, and 2) creating a situation in which the city is dependant on strippers for an estimated $200,000 to $400,000 a year in revenues is good incentive for officials NOT to shut the clubs down. Under that scenario, they are far more likely to turn a blind eye to minor problems or soften any enforcement. In effect, this proposal establishes a legal system of bribing the city.

    Given the potential for higher dance prices and fewer extras, is it any wonder that some of the objections posted here are coming from customers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    is it any wonder that some of the objections posted here are coming from customers?
    Nope. Because like I said several posts ago, they're afraid they might have to *god forbid* start paying the long-established national standard price here. This idea threatens their ability to continue demanding higher and higher contact for HALF PRICE, so *of course* they don't like it.

    As for some of the girls not liking it either, well of course. This isn't going to be helpful to those who are either marginal earners or fly-by-nighters and they don't like it. As I've said a few times now, I don't care, and neither do the majority of us who work here. We *want* those girls out. Those of us who depend on this business for our livelihood are interested in protecting our livelihoods first and foremost. If that comes at the expense of some who only like to dance occasionally or whatever, fine - I'm sure they aren't thinking of *our* well-being when they invade our clubs at the worst possible times We invest our time, energy and money into this year-round, so I reckon we deserve the benefits more than the holiday girls and clubhoppers. Thankyouverymuch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    There are too many girls who are not stripper material and yet are still hired. It just kills me.
    Tell me about it! I made a long post in this thread regarding this. In a nutshell, lower tier clubs in PHX are particularly flooded with them. Greedy management just wants the damn house fees I guess.

    For example, the main club I'm hired at, despite saying they want to up their dancer quality, recently hired a bald chick who wears no makeup and has bones popping out everywhere. She grosses the customers out, and took home like, $7.00 a shift. Needless to say she already quit. But theres plenty of other nasties in town that don't. I don't claim to be the spitting image of perfection, but man, I'd love nothing more than to NOT see chicks like that on stage! Sure, they make me look even better, but they have to be driving some customers away. And I hate when they come up to me to whine about not making $, grrrrr!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    Given the potential for higher dance prices and fewer extras, is it any wonder that some of the objections posted here are coming from customers?
    I haven't seen many objections here, just words of caution to be careful about what you wish for. Sure there would fewer girls to compete against and you'd make more money per dance but my guess is that the outcome would also lead to the following: fewer customers, higher house fees, more contact, harder sales and an awakened city hall. While it is certainly understandable to want to make more money for the services provided (who doesn't want that?) it just seems a bit naive to me to think that you can completely change the dynamic that has existed for years and not realize that there could be some negative consequences to that change as well.

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    And maybe it's a little too negative to think it's impossible to make things better than they are now. Because it flat sucks now.

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    Looks like the only clubs here that are actually ok with $20 dances are the nude clubs. And I say $20 is no where enough for FULL nudity ! ESPECIALLY with high mileage here? Not uh, I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    And maybe it's a little too negative to think it's impossible to make things better than they are now. Because it flat sucks now.
    Knock yourself out, I think you'll be swimming up stream though. I think most of the problems mentioned involve shitty management more than anything. Address that and you'd have a better chance at changing things for the better. I think you'd be better off gaining some investors and starting your own club, I'm serious about that too, hell I'd go.

    Quote Originally Posted by MissK View Post
    Looks like the only clubs here that are actually ok with $20 dances are the nude clubs. And I say $20 is no where enough for FULL nudity ! ESPECIALLY with high mileage here? Not uh, I don't think so.

    MissK
    Actually there are $20 dances offered at Babe's, Bourbon Street, Sonny's & Christies Cabaret to name just a few (granted, all of them do also offer $10 dances). And where can I get one of these high mileage $20 full nude dances that you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    Ya know, my initial concerns over that point are lessening as I realize that: 1) the situation you describe is so shitty now that it's going to drive out you and dancers like you if nothing is done, so how could even a bad result be much worse, and 2) creating a situation in which the city is dependant on strippers for an estimated $200,000 to $400,000 a year in revenues is good incentive for officials NOT to shut the clubs down. Under that scenario, they are far more likely to turn a blind eye to minor problems or soften any enforcement. In effect, this proposal establishes a legal system of bribing the city.
    What you're forgetting is that we still live in a time where a public official, even one deep down supports, or at has no problem with SOB's can't be on the record of publicly supporting them. Even going so much to suggest that taxes raised from them being OPEN could help fund the city coffers is too out of bounds for a lot of voters to accept.

    And I'm sorry, but to a large city like Phoenix, $200-400K in revenue is a drop in the bucket. They could probably raise the hotel ocuupancy tax out there an extra 50 cents per room and make WAY more than that.

    As far as raising dance prices, well...the market ought to regulate that. Set the price too high and customers won't buy. Set it too low and dancers won't want to work for it. I don't know exactly what the market dynamics are out there, but if you have a city where clubs are charging half of "long-established national standard price", and the clubs are flooded with girls, even girls coming from areas with higher priced dances like LA and Vegas, well I think that speaks volumes. But move it up if you wish. Yes, there are going to be some unhappy parties whose feelings get hurt. But business shouldn't be about feelings, it should be about mathematics. 20x10 and 10x20 equals the same thing right?

    I do not get why some people to think that the government, an entity that belongs to everyone and feeds off everyone's tax dollars, should intercede on their behalf and enact regulation that would give them preferential treatment over someone else for no other reason than their own economic self interest. Whatever happened to voting with your feet?

    All I can say is, that as long as most SC's are under the ownership of dubious individuals who are mired in other nefarious activities, and as long as it is convenient for public officials to use SOB's as their whipping boy every time they need an issue to run on, this thread is all wishful thinking.
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