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    What I don't get is...fine, your a vegan, fine, raise your kids that way. But wouldn't you breastfeed? Or is that not allowed?
    Or talk to a peditrician and say, listen, we are vegan, and choose to raise our child that way, what is safe to feed him, or what special precautions should I take?

    I think they are using the vegan as an excuse. Maybe they were vegans. But that is still never an excuse to starve a child. And they did not know he was in trouble until minutes before he died??
    He weighed 3.5 lbs at 6 weeks old, and they didnt knw there was a problem?? Bullshit! He weighed less than a newborn. He was at a weight at 6 weeks old that premature babies are born at.
    Last edited by Kaylinn; 05-09-2007 at 08:01 PM. Reason: OMG typos!! I meant Vegan, not Vegas! Proofreading is your friend! Must've had Vegas on the brain....

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    This is bullshit. Vegan is one thing..starving is quite another. Vegans dont starve THEMSELVES no less their children....

    and breastfeeding your child IS vegan. So is soy based formula..no excuse

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    Fucking morons! That is what they are, idiots! GLad they are going to rott in jail.

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    Craziness...they should get prison time. What idiots!! How do you not know that your baby is starving? Maybe they were tweaker vegans?
    Funny how you wrote "vegas" instead of "vegan" - lol That's what made me think they might be tweakers.

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    The kid never chose to be "vegan."

    They should be starved similiarly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    The kid never chose to be "vegan."

    They should be starved similiarly.
    ^^^I totally agree. What they did is just sick
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    ggrrrrr...

    I hate vegan-bashers (which those people are by using that excuse)

    shit... you can be a raw foodist fam and still have glowing families with healthy kids who are also "raw"

    As far as kids choosing, of course they have no choice with what they eat... just like I didn't choose to eat that pureed meat crap I used to be fed. Parents feed their kids foods they eat, which is fine, but it needs to still be balanced.

    My kids will be veggies, but that doesn't mean they will be unhealthy. If they choose to eat meat later in life, by their decision, fine but I will raise them with my morals until they can decide for themselves. That's how religions work too you know.

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    Ugh... you CAN feed a baby vegan. No really, you can. But you need a dietician and regular blood tests for your baby. They just didn't care.


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    No 6 week old should be drinking apple juice !

    “No matter how many times they want to say, ‘We’re vegans, we’re vegetarians,’ that’s not the issue in this case,” said prosecutor Chuck Boring. “The child died because he was not fed. Period.”

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    I was dairy free for months while I fed my child! He's allergic to dairy so I was his main nourishment I made sure I was dairy free! They can eat foods high in calcium if like I did to have a good calcium intake for the baby, plus vitamins. they don't have to test and poke the kid for anything, all they had to do was talk to the ped.

    I swear people just amaze me on how dumb they are!

    NO need for juice ever really, nothing but breastmilk, human milk for human baby!

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    kids can live on breastmilk for years... many years (even though it's not socially and culturally accepted).

    If these parents were so concerned for health, they'd have done that. I say something else was up, like drugs or maybe they really were just THAT stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyndi08 View Post
    kids can live on breastmilk for years... many years (even though it's not socially and culturally accepted).

    If these parents were so concerned for health, they'd have done that. I say something else was up, like drugs or maybe they really were just THAT stupid.
    Yes. I agree wit hyou 100%

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    On CNN it said that the father was complaining about the food in jail. Sorry dude, that's life for ya'

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    Fucking orthorexics.

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    ^^Awesome new word!!

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    ^It's not new. Read the 3rd article on this page, Veronica Vegan. It includes a paragraph of another set of fucked up parents who malnourished their kids to death with their idealisms.

    It's one thing to drastically alter your own diet. Adults have already had the major developmental milestones. Kids are rapidly developing, and are prone to all sorts of complications if not well provided for. If you're going to subject your kids to something radical, you'd damn well better proceed with caution.

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    ^ I understand that it was the horrible couple in the story you linked to, but the rest of that page is just horrible. Talk about insensitivity to E.D's. I don't see how you can link a crime like starving your children to a disease, like starving yourself (anorexia I mean).
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    when this couple is in jail, what r they going to eat? im pretty sure th jail will not provide them what vegans need?!?!?!?!? so will this mean that they will die of starvation also? or wll the authorities see to it tat they eat SOMETHING? hopefully they die the same way their child did

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    Vegans have many options other than soymilk and applejuice... I have been vegan at times (very healthy, nut fats rather than saturated, plant proteins, etc). I hate that it gets called radical. A standard american diet is also radical from the perspective of a health conscious person.... hormone injected livestock that never sees the light of day, tons of saturated fat, plants cooked to the point they are unrecognizable with all nutrients lost, trans fat made in labs... to me, that's extreme. Is it mainstream? Yes. Is it the best way to go? Doubtful.

    Sorry, not to get off on that like a crazy person, but this is another step back for vegetarianism due to a lack of understanding. I don't need a dietician to be healthy just because I don't eat animals. It's scientific fact we weren't designed to eat the diets that most people do.... I eat much closer to the earth than probably 80% of doctors out there. Yeah, doctors are smart, but they aren't unaffected by cultural norms. Cultural norms are not always ideal, they are just norms.

    Back to the story though, that poor baby. What about their extended family? Someone else had to have seen that kid, right?

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    I'm a vegetarian, but if it were at the expense of my own health or that of my (non-existant at this point) children, I'd quit it immediately. I'd eat some lean meat and fucking give them some too. BUT, I believe that there are healthy ways to be veggie, and even vegan, even for a child.

    Those people were just ignorant and fucking lazy. Its not just hicks that are ignorant folks. Sometimes "enlightened" hippies are just the same.

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    This is one of the saddest things I've read in a while. Not only because of that poor innocent baby, but because of the severely bad image these people are giving to ignorant news readers about what being vegan is. It's stories like this that make it so hard for people like us to be viewed as normal, our food is generally more expensive and harder to find...This story is not the norm as far as what vegan is!!! Most vegans are not opposed to breast milk. I mean really... I wonder if that woman, the wife spit every time she went down on her man. I doubt it. Even if they didn't want to have their child drinking breast milk (which I still can't get over.. it's meant to be drunk!! That's why we produce it!! we hurt if it isnt taken out!!) there are many options to keep the baby healthy. Oh I'm just getting more and more upset about this!! I cant think anymore.
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    I hope everyone who reads this realizes that these people aren't "vegan"--they're stupid or crazy. One of the two. Period. I vote for both.

    A six week old child should be eating a diet that consists of 100% breast milk. If there are problems with the mother's milk production or the baby is rejecting it, a soy-based formula can be substituted (which is very common as many babies don't tolerate cow's milk very well). But it's FORMULA, not freaking soy milk!!!

    For the record, the World Health Organization has decreed that breast milk is sufficient nutrition for a child up to four years of age (this isn't useful information in the developed world, but is quite useful in developing nations where food is very scarce).

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    since a vegan diet is not complete without supplements, it is in fact pretty darned radical. b12 comes only from animal sources, period. and babies born of a vegan momma may well not have stores passed in utero to work with. it is a pretty bad idea to put new children on a vegan diet for such reasons.

    breastmilk is best, although it is not technically vegan, unless one fails to consider humans animals. but that assumes a consistency within vegan mindsets that is generally not found.

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    ^^ actually most vegans completely support breastfeeding. Feeding a human infant with human breatmilk is natural and what the milk is intended for. No true vegan would say otherwise. While they do not promote humans drinking cows milk...calves they are fine with..that is natural.Human milk contains colostrum that newborns need. And many vegans, esp pregnant/breastfeeding ones take B vitamin supplements

    Anyone who says otherwise is not correct and a fringe group making up their own rules... not what true vegans believe.

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    ^^^ I totally agree with Cameron and Dottie. No clearthinking vegans would even consider feeding their newborn baby soy milk and apple juice.
    Breast feeding is the obvious 1st choice for vegans given the politics of veganism.

    How no one noticed that there was a problem before the baby died though makes the mind boggle. Surely there should have been a few check ups within that time? Or is that not an option for some people? Sorry I keep taking our free basic healthcare here for granted...
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