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    i had saline implants under the muscle yaddy yaddy in 1999 so im slowly creeping up there in years and heard every 10 years have them replaced.. im keeping my fingers crossed as so far so good and maybe these things will be one the sets that lasts a really long time but because the thought of one popping or something due to the age of them and being lopsided has me saving up my money.. and i did a free consulation with a ps just for advice.. he said when it comes time to get them replaced he thought id do better with silicone.. im pretty thin and have that little ripple thing when i bend over on one side.. he went over how safe blah blah .. so according to him when the time comes that is what i think i'll do .. have the silicone put in instead of doing saline again.. anyone with silicone? im still a bit spooked by all the stuff in the news years ago .. i dont want to get some disease from them..any thoughts?

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    I don't have silicone, and probably would have gotten it if it was available to people under 22 in the US. Like you I'm still alittle cautious of silicone, but I believe it's pretty safe.

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    I have silicone. Like you I had saline implants for about 6 years. I am also very thin and was very flat chested when I got my first BA. I had TONS of rippling and I hated how the saline felt (like 2 water balloons). The silicone implants are SUCH an improvement.

    They look and feel so much more....real! I read all the info on the silicone implants and silicone study (go to mentor4me.com) and talked to a lot of people that have the silicone implants. I feel very good about the decision.

    Good luck!

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    The new silicone implants are a cohesive gel. Meaning if they are ruptured, they do not leak (theoretically).

    They have done a lot of studies on silicone. It could just be some people had adverse effects but there wasnt really anything conclusive.

    I have silicone gel and i love them. I actually have girls at my club think they are real! Also, consider anatomically shaped--they have a really nice natural curve.

    Good luck!!

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    Well, the entire silicone scare was really US only... In the EU we've been using silicone through all that time and we ain't dying of cancer yet! Actually no connection between silicone leaks and autoimmune diseases were found. The only conclusive find so far has been that the capsular contracture rates are higher with silicone than they are with saline and that's about it for the adverse effects of silicone... Then again they do have a lot of positive sides too such as the lessened risk of rippling/wrinkling.

    The cohesive gel implants do rupture if they leak but during the latest studies with Mentor and Allergan (the two manufacturers with a licence to sell co-gels in the US) no cases of silicone migration were found. So it might leak outside of the implant but it won't be around your spine for example. The anatomically shaped gummybear implants (most cohesive silicone) do not leak at all if ruptured but they also feel harder to touch.
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    i have cohesive gel implants, and i love them...i have minimal natural breast tissue of my own, but they still look very natural - people who didn't know me before i got them done don't believe that they're not real...
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    If you go with silicone, which I recommend, I have a piece of advice: MASSAGE like youve never massaged before!!! I can not stress that enough. My PS did not make it clear to me that I would have to massage vigorously for the rest of my life, i thought it was mostly in the beginning.

    So I got CC, spent $600 on ultrasound treatments and accolate, I have to wear a strap (tricky on one boob only) every night, and I have to massage daily, so vigorously that it is nearly impossible to do it alone. I am fine, one boob just looks smaller than the other, but not by much. In the beginning it was very painful, and the ultrasound treatments were the most painful thing I have ever experienced....and vicodin did not help a damn bit.

    Just a warning, but it is totally worth it No ripples or sloshing!

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    ^They have to be massaged everyday for the rest of their life? Seriously? For how long everyday?

    *Getting nervous. I'm going to be getting silicones in 3 weeks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post
    ^They have to be massaged everyday for the rest of their life? Seriously? For how long everyday?

    *Getting nervous. I'm going to be getting silicones in 3 weeks!!!
    I believe if they're overs they must be massaged often, not really with under. At least I didn't have to with unders, my PS said I didn't have to bc the muscle itself does the massaging.

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    No, no! Unders too! Now, everyone is different and I just want people to know what happened to me so you can try to prevent it. Most people will not have this problem, but for those who do, it could mean another surgery. Luckily I get to keep my boob and it still looks good, because I caught it early. Id still rather not have it be this way because one feels fake and the other doesnt. Its like one marshmallow and one gummy bear

    Mine were soft as hell for 2 years, I massaged them for a few minutes like once a week in the second year, then one day one of them got this shooting pain whenever it moved. And now here I am asking people to step on my chest or punch me in the chest to try to break up the scar tissue.

    When i went to get it checked out, my PS asks "so youre massaging two minutes a day?" So this is what you should plan on doing forever. 2 minutes is really nothing, and it doesnt have to be so vigorous or painful at all while theyre soft (once they get CC you will have to "massage" as if youre trying to pop them.) Do those same pushes and squeezes they tell you to do in the very beginning. Do it in the shower, then you can always remember. Its also a good thing to do because you might notice any changes that come along.

    To test if youre getting CC, lie on the hard floor and roll back and forth over your chest. When I do this, one flattens out, the other is like a hill I have to roll over. This is the only way I found out that one was firm, I couldnt tell with my hands.

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    Oh and let me just add that I got CC after starting pole dancing. I got it on my right side, my strong arm on the pole. Exercising those muscles actually makes it worse because it pulls the boob upward. The scar capsule can attach to the pectoral and this is really bad. Mine didnt do that, thank god.

    So girlies, massage yourself after you dance or work out!

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    Layla, are yours under or over? Did you take a pill for CC too? I know they have a pill for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Layla, are yours under or over? Did you take a pill for CC too? I know they have a pill for that.
    Unders.

    I took accolate for 3 months, not sure if it helped or not. Doctors dont even know if it helps. Its really the massage and ultrasound that help the most.

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    Okay so this is what I'm getting as well. Cohesive gel implants at the end of August.

    Do you have to get the ultrasound treatments? I dont really understand. Im going to my PS june 6th

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    Well there's no conclusive evidence that massage does any good save for makes you feel better... You just need to follow your PSs instructions and see what works the best for you. I have silicone overs and I wasn't told to massage.
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    I know that people are different, and that some do fine without massage, but I can tell you for sure that I would have not been able to keep my right boob without massage. And like I said earlier, I dont mean nice gentle massage. I mean rolling on the floor, bending over the edge of a chair, having people step on my chest, etc. There is a huge difference in the look and feel of my boob if I dont do this for a few days, or if I do it a lot, like an hour a day.

    There is evidence that this breaks down scar tissue, sorry I dont have any links at the moment. Scar tissue forms in a capsule around the implant, and in CC it tightens up and can sometimes form knots. Like scar tissue in any area of your body, it will only break down with intense pressure and squeezing. When I had scar tissue in my nipple, I had to squeeze and roll it in my fingers. MAde me cry but it did the trick! I also have had scar tissue on my face, from a piercing, which i had to do the same thing with. Ive been told how this works from my PS, regular dr, and piercer.

    The reason my right boob looks smaller than before is because of the tightening of the scar tissue capsule. Intense pressure stretches it out.

    Massage is never a bad thing for implants, so why not do it just in case?

    For more info on this, please go to http://www.implantforum.com
    There you will find pretty much everything you need to know, including others who have had the same problem as me, many who got surgeries, and some who massaged the hell out of them and got to keep their boobs You will probably find my posts there!

    Tart,
    About the ultrasound treatments, I dont think theryre in any way necessary, but very beneficial. I got some in the beginning to speed the healing process, and many more to help the CC.

    Good luck to everyone getting their BA soon. Dont be scared, you will absolutely love them, I in no way regret my decision to get them

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    I have some CC in my right boob as well. It just feels a lot firmer than my left, but I honestly don't care as long as it looks OK, which it does. Even if I end up needing another surgery, it is totally worth it. My boobs are great. I massage, but it really isn't softening. Massaging won't gaurantee you will or will not get CC. Nobody I know at my club massaged, and nobody has any CC.
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    LaylaJo, the problem is that the studies are inconclusive. The studies are too small to draw any conclusions. That said many people find the massage to be helpful. And yes I know that massaging the implant can break the scar tissue, and it has for many people, even a few that I know of personally... For those that it works, great, but there is no guarantee against CC. Not even a full redo and capsulectomy will necessarily solve the issue it might just come back. Not to mention massaging which is successful for some but also oftentimes is just painful and still yields no results.

    I'm not advocating not massaging, but I think it's just wrong to say that everybody should massage. Many don't and heal the implants successfully. Also most people with textured implants, be they round or anatomical, are told not to massage. This is because on textured implants the tissue is supposed to adhere to the implant and a lot of PSs believe that mechanical irritation would only make the scarring worse not better if that's the case. And of course in the case of anatomical implants it might actually make them flip over if they're not attached yet (or even if they are they can flip even several years from the surgery).

    Personally I would recommend http://www.justbreastimplants.com/ and you can probably find my posts there But really, stating anything regarding breast implants as an absolute truth (like you should ALWAYS massage and it can't do any harm) just irks me. Implants, doctors and people are all different.
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    Saline implants are made of silicon rubber for the shell, so even though they're filled with saline, the shell which is exposed to your body is almost the same material as the silicon cohesive filling. But still, either type has the same outer SHELL. The difference is if/when they rupture. Salines will just leak saltwater but cohesives might leak a little bit of silicon gel, but it's cohesive which means it wants to stay together, so it's not supposed to migrate around the body.

    It's true they've been doing silicons in Europe and other areas all these years, and we don't hear about women dying from it. I tend to think the big ruckus we had in the US over them was mostly alot of money-motivated hype.

    I will definitely go for cohesive silicon gels for my replacements.

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    ^ yah that's how I felt too...since Im redoing them im completely going the silicon route.

    Although now I have other questions although Im sure my PS will be for fitting to answer this. Although i like mine behind the muscle ( as it makes it feel and look even more natural) I don't like the fact that when i cough or get cold I can " seize " them in my chest. And it makes me nervous about working my upper body. So Im kinda debating on over the muscle although I know it makes for sagging a lot sooner than later.

    I didnt have CC issues what so ever with these implants. I did massage everyday for at least 6 months, not too mention I quit smoking..stayed out of the club for a year ( I wasn't stripping when I got them done. I was on break.) and in general took better care of myself.

    I dont know if that made any difference , Im sure it didn't hurt. But I heard from a girl at work once that with replacement surgeries you run more then risk of having CC. I'm not too sure why. And that kinda freaks me out.

    I won't do saline again. I had NO problems with these at all. But considering the 35 lbs I've lost , I can now feel the bag as where before I couldn't. I dont have ripples ( thank christ ) and to the untrained you can't feel the implant. But I can., and I hate it.

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    Yea, redos run a higher risk of CC... Silicone implants have a higher risk of CC than salines too, although the cause is yet unknown.

    Overs won't necessarily sag sooner than unders but comparing overs to full unders you do have a higher risk of bottoming out (although it can happen with unders too). You've just got to keep overs supported as they lack the internal bra!

    Funny thing is, my PS recommended overs for me because at the age of 22 my left breast was already sagging. He said that if I sag this easily then it'll be aesthetically more pleasing that my implant sags with the breast rather than stays put while my breast slides down it.

    There's pros and cons to everything. It would be a lot easier if there was just one perfect solution that suited everyone, eh?
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    Over vs under. I got mine over because I had natural C/Ds, and at the age of 29 I had a little sag. Hell, I'd ALWAYS had a little sag, even when I first grew them at 16. Big tits are just gonna hang a little. But with age I had lost a little fullness, so I wanted that full look again, but I wanted to keep the little bit of natural sag for the most natural-looking implants. I had mine done 4 years ago and I have no CC, no extra sagging, no bottoming out, nothing. I will go over the muscle with the next set.

    My doctor told me I would need to take vitamin E supplements and massage. He said the vitamin E would greatly reduce the risk of CC, along with massage. I massaged religiously for the first 6 months or so, then I started doing it less and less often, until at this point I just do it about once a week. However I take my vitamins - always have for years so I'm not gonna stop now. Vitamin E is also good for cardiovascular health, btw.

    I'm a bit skeptical about taking a doctor's advice on how to do implants. Because most of them will tend to advise you to do what THEY are most comfortable doing, which may not be what is best for YOU. Most simply don't do certain procedures, and they want your money so they're not going to advise you to do something they don't offer!

    When I was going for consultations I had 3 out of 4 doctors tell me I should go under when I KNEW I needed overs to get the look I wanted (I had researched off and on for about 2 years, and a good 6 months near constantly). This goes against the way we want to view doctors - we want to believe they always have our best interest in mind, but the fact is, they are in it for the MONEY so they're gonna tell you what makes them the most $$. My advice is to do your own research, look at tons of pictures taking note of the differences in results between the various procedures, and decide for yourself what you want - then find a good reputable doc who does it the way you want.

    As for whether overs sag more, I think that might be a myth spread by doctors who don't like to do overs I have not had that experience at all and I have never, to my recollection, heard of it happening to other girls. I remember one girl in particular who had implants for like 10-12 years and was on her 3rd set of overs. She didn't have one bit of sag and she had large DD implants.

    Mine do hang a little, but it's the same as they did pre-BA. Basically, my tits look just like they did before, only bigger and fuller. Which is exactly what I wanted I've posted plenty of pics, so I'm sure you've seen what mine look like Tart

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    Oh Bridgette thats so awesome to read!!!

    I just want mine to be fuller and a bit bigger... I want them to look natural but i've been told if I went over that the implant would hang off the breast tissue I have now so it would look like a baseball in a sock

    I want to get the cohesive gel implant... and I want them to still look natural... just fuller...

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    Well Cally, you WILL need a large implant to fill up the breast tissue you have and get that full look you want. When I went to the first consult with my doc, I thought I wanted 500cc or so. He said no, I needed 6-700 to fill up my breast tissue and get the best look. Now, unless you're getting some special size like over 800cc, it costs the same no matter how many cc's you get, so I felt comfortable taking that advice. Besides, bigger is better

    I think if you get something too small, it very well may look like a ball hanging in a sock, because you have alot of breast tissue. But if you go big enough, they'll look fucken GREAT, natural yet full like you want. On the other hand, going too big will look equally weird as too small.

    Also, if you go under you'd need a lift to make them look right, because your breasts hang a little lower than your pecs - they put the unders right under your pecs. I would've had the same issue - it would NOT have looked right unless I got a lift also, but that's not what I wanted.

    If you are serious about getting a BA, I highly recommend the doc I used - he had fabulous credentials, did a great job and his staff were awesome. He has a *doctor* anaesthesiologist also, not just a nurse. He's in Orlando but prices are cheap there by US standards, so if you can make the trip he's worth it. I combined my BA trip with some Orlando touristy stuff, spent 2 weeks there, and spent $6k total, including trip, surgery AND 2 days of nurse care. The nurse care was f'in GREAT, made the recovery soooo much easier I did mine 4 years ago so prices may be a little higher now, but I guarantee he'll still be lower than most other good docs around the US - it's just cheaper in FL. His website:

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    Woah $6000 for tittays and vacation?

    Im going to have a consult with Dr Waslen in Calgary in July. Hes done just about every boob job on the feature circut in Canada.. he comes highly recommended up here... but it doesnt hurt to look around.. and I LOVE your boobs!

    Thank you for the advice B!!! Im so excited to get this done!!
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