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    www.avn.com at least the newspaper gets it. Hopefully this bill dies in the Senate or is vetoed by the Governor. If not it surely will be stricken by the courts. CCV are so anti-liberty it is unbelievable.

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    Everytime I read something more about this bill I can't help but wonder... This is what they want to spend their time and money on?? Of all the major, important problems and issues in Ohio, this is the one they pull the big guns on??

    Someone in the CCV must have gotten burned haha.

    Consequently, about two weeks ago, I had a customer who is working with the CCV on the bill; a very conservative Republican attorney. He came in drinking like a fish, bought me some drinks, wouldn't buy dances or tipped and kept talking about how degrading the job was and how he didn't 'get' why woman or men would come in.

    I asked him why he was there and all he would say was "I had a really, really bad day. I needed to blow off steam". Not much of an answer but he was buying me drinks (we make commision) and so I didn't bare the teeth as bad as I normally would.

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    Typical hypocrite. A perfect example of do as I say not do as I do.

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    Well it sounds like the governor didn't sign this, but it still is going to become the law??? http://www.examiner.com/a-742491~Bil...signature.html
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    How does touching a stripper correlate to increased crime or not touching correlate
    to decreased crime? Just as this court has found. http://www.gazette.net/stories/04130...01_32339.shtml
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    This Governor is spineless. He should have stood by his earlier remarks and vetoed this nonsense. I believe the touching part of the bill will be stricken. That fruitcake from CCV believes this will decrease crime? What a clown. I can't wait till a judge strickens this bill.

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    The CCV spokesman fails to point out the taxpayer dollars that will be wasted in what will be a futile attempt to impose this law is money taxpayers would rather have in their pockets to buy gas,food,or pay for their child's education. Of course the zealots are happy for government to seize our money and spend it trying to defend the indefensible.

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    Apparently even if the governor vetoed this bill there were enough idiots in the Ohio legislature to override the veto.... Thus, no need to sign..

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    Right, they passed it by such a majority that if he vetoed it would be a waste of time cause they would simply override the veto.

    It's just his way of saying it's stupid and to save his ass from criticism.

    I'm either going to have to move to Indiana or go to law school early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberator View Post
    This Governor is spineless. He should have stood by his earlier remarks and vetoed this nonsense. I believe the touching part of the bill will be stricken. That fruitcake from CCV believes this will decrease crime? What a clown. I can't wait till a judge strickens this bill.

    Well, we all know that groups like CCV use often bogus and outdated/irrelevant to the city/state in question negative "secondary effects" studies SOLELY to promote their unique ideas of what a Utopian society should be in THEIR Fascist Theocratic world. Unfortunately, many Politicians either believe them or fear the CCV. Last I knew we still live in a free? and pluralistic society with many different moral and religious beliefs...? Sure sometimes strip clubs have higher incidents of crime than other types of establishments, but by and large there are far more police runs at your local 7-11 or liquor store than strip clubs. Do we ever here anyone suggest an ordinance to regulate these businesses?? Over regulation of strip clubs is JUST a MORAL argument by the religious fanatics the overwhelming majority of time, which should be somewhat muted by the Lawrence vs Texas decision IMHO. Any good attorneys like Luke Lirot, or Paul Cambria are not afraid to challenge the often bogus/irrelevant "negative secondary effects" studies that Scott Bergthold/CCV use simply as a guise to further promote their moral agenda; and many judges also rule in our favor when the facts are presented correctly.
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    That's right and in fact the 11th circuit struck down fulton county's adult ordinance in Flanigans Ent V Fulton County based on Fulton"s own study showing far less crime at nude bars than other bars. The Fulton Study and others commissioned by Daniel Linz disproving the secondary effects nonsense spouted by Berghold and his ilk should be used in this case and the case in Houston.

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    The only reason why I see Ohio doing this bill is because it's an election year. Busting up some strip clubs get a lot of press and the smiling politician can get some free photo ops. In the end, going after strip clubs is pretty pointless. Most of the time, the rules are overturned by higher courts. I know Tampa has a 6 foot rule, but I've never seen a club enforce it.

    I think there are better things to worry about than what happens in a strip club. We can pass bills that give more money to education or provide better health care than citizens. But politicians spend their time trying to pass pointless bills. I know in my town, the school board tried to push through a Bible Study class. The end result is that the Bible Study class went on for a few days, but eventually it folded. It ended up a big waste of time and taxpayers' money. I know that in the next election, I made note of who on the school board approved the Bible Study class and I made sure I would not vote for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helle View Post
    Consequently, about two weeks ago, I had a customer who is working with the CCV on the bill; a very conservative Republican attorney. He came in drinking like a fish, bought me some drinks, wouldn't buy dances or tipped and kept talking about how degrading the job was and how he didn't 'get' why woman or men would come in.

    I asked him why he was there and all he would say was "I had a really, really bad day. I needed to blow off steam". Not much of an answer but he was buying me drinks (we make commision) and so I didn't bare the teeth as bad as I normally would.
    I can only say, "Unclench your ass and enjoy the titties." What a tool.

    This law will be on the books, but will remain unenforced because local governments will rightly see it as pointless. Ironically, this will most likely increase extras in the clubs, since dancers will think, if I'm going to get busted for just touching, I may as well go all the way and make some cash. The law of unintended consequences is in full effect here.
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    What's scary is these Fascist-Theocrats now want to spread this Ohio Law all over the country... http://www.citizenlink.org/CLBriefs/A000004690.cfm

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    The law of unintended consequences is always a result of attempts to legislate consensual acts between adults. Look at what the unintended results of the war on drugs are (A) High crime rates (b) Corruption of law enforcement (C) Bloody turf wars between gangs (D) Higher tax rates and government spending which accomplishes nothing in the way of reducing drug supply or demand. That's just for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberator View Post
    The law of unintended consequences is always a result of attempts to legislate consensual acts between adults. Look at what the unintended results of the war on drugs are (A) High crime rates (b) Corruption of law enforcement (C) Bloody turf wars between gangs (D) Higher tax rates and government spending which accomplishes nothing in the way of reducing drug supply or demand. That's just for starters.
    It's too bad our lawmakers don't have any common sense, and when you combine that with the Fascist based Theocracy groups like CCV, our country is heading back to the prohibition days...

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    Many lawmakers have no common sense or guts on this issue. The Theocrats are terrible.

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    I don't even think it's about commen sense or guts.

    It's about money. CCV is one of the richest special interest groups that hold power here and the local government is, of course, going to respect that... As opposed to the people's wishes.

    So gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helle View Post
    I don't even think it's about commen sense or guts.

    It's about money. CCV is one of the richest special interest groups that hold power here and the local government is, of course, going to respect that... As opposed to the people's wishes.

    So gay.

    I wonder who is funding the CCV? Alliance Defense Fund for one? It's scary that a Fascist Theocratic group yields this much political clout in America or is it now Amerika? Will be interesting to see if the law is enforced and if any dancer or patron gets cited, then perhaps the alleged violators could request a jury trial and be found not guilty. Even without a jury trial, I think a fair number of judges would find this law UNconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laplover69 View Post
    I wonder who is funding the CCV?
    The CCV it's self and fundamentalist churches who agree with what they are trying to do. When you believe in something--Such and religion and it's held morlas--It's easy to get money from your supporters. These people are willing to give massive amounts of funds because it's the right thing to do by their spiritual beliefs.

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    I suspect the law itself will be enforced sparingly and selectively. Jurors would probably engage in jury nullification in many cases as they would find the law lacking in common sense. Many cases in Georgia are routinely thrown out for lack of evidence or if the case goes to court juries often acquit.

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