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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo View Post
    Is miabella saying that "classy" dancers are making money at the expense of "unclassy" dancers?
    I think mia was saying that sighing longingly at the depiction in firefly and saying "wouldn't it be neat if..." is a little short sighted, seeing as it was in the context of an extremely rigid caste system. I mean, geez. And yes, it may seem painfully obvious that the upperclass requires an underclass, but I could give you 10 000 examples, from this site, from my life and I betcha from any of your lives, in which that "underclass" is swept down a sewer. A metaphorical sewer, by the way. Geez. Has NOBODY read "The Tempest" but me?

    I don't care what she's like in chat or real life - in this thread she has said nothing that could characterized as "stupid" (although I'm having a few doubts about a couple of posters who seem to think that sitting around insulting her is much, much more interesting than dealing with her points substantively - I mean, you have to wonder why that is if they think they are so freaking smart) and her big general crime seems to be an awareness of racism in the industry. I mean for crying out loud. The industry is racist. It's openly racist. It's ALLOWED to be racist. Racism flourishes in this industry. If you are victimized by that racism it might - just might - seem like a bigger deal to you than when you are either fetishized (in a lucrative way) or benefited.
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    ^^
    She directed a post at me saying that I think I am better than the rest of the girls I work with. There was nothing in my post that could have led her to say that. She also said because I have grown up in a more privileged family that I am slumming it by dancing.
    Quite frankly she is just a judgmental bitch and I dont think anyone would miss her if she pissed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    ^^
    She directed a post at me saying that I think I am better than the rest of the girls I work with. There was nothing in my post that could have led her to say that. She also said because I have grown up in a more privileged family that I am slumming it by dancing.
    Quite frankly she is just a judgmental bitch and I dont think anyone would miss her if she pissed off.
    I don't think she's the only one here who's ever made a judgment (I know I've had to apologize to more than one member here for flying off the handle, imagining that it was justified for some reason or other). And I'd miss her. Negative or not, I think she's made some insightful commentary.
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    She doesn't know me and she has no right to make those assumptions with nothing to back it up. It damn pissed me off big time. Why did I not feel the need to respond thoughtfully to her posts? Because I do not have to justify why I dance over (as she suggested) doing some other job which pays just as much as dancing as is just as flexible. But no as she so nicely put it I choose to slum it and take my clothes off for a living when I should be doing something else.

    So I simply asked why does she frequent stripper web if we are such whores who lack the morals that she thinks that she has?

    I have no time for judgmental fucks like her. She made her ugly statements and I'm sure this thread will come to an end but it won't be forgotten any time soon. She has also made other negative comments in other threads. Maybe she should find a forum where she doesn't consider 99% of the women whores.

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    Mia's comments haven't been blown slightly out of proportion, have they?

    Most people have a very romanticized notion of courtesans and courtesanship, distorted through the lense of postmodern academia or Wicca or some other bullshit. The truth is that most courtesans throughout history - Geishas or 16th century Venetians or hetaira - didn't have much choice in the matter. Read Bawds & Brothel Keepers of London or Courtesans by Katie Hickman for some more recent Anglo-Saxon historical examples.

    Are there real courtesans? Sure. Are there many? Nope.

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    ^^^^Who said there had to be many? The OP said it would be great to have more money and respect. That's it. She didn't blow this up a bit. She didn't say there should be thousands of courtesans or that they've historically been held in the highest esteem imaginable. Miabella blew this into a statement on social standing in the dance club.

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    as for any dancers swearing they don't think they are superior to anyone else, the mere fact that they consider other girls tacky or trashy or slutty for doing what they would not puts the lie to their statements.

    You forgot to point that finger back at yourself since you find us just, well, "silly".
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    Ok I'm done and she is gonna be the first SW member that I have had to put on ignore. I come to SW to enjoy conversations with other people and I assumed that it is one place where I would not have to be judged or criticised for my decision to dance.

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    Staying out of the debate.....but YAY firefly!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    ^^^^Who said there had to be many? The OP said it would be great to have more money and respect. That's it. She didn't blow this up a bit. She didn't say there should be thousands of courtesans or that they've historically been held in the highest esteem imaginable. Miabella blew this into a statement on social standing in the dance club.
    Which is thread drift, something that happens. There's a lot of nuance we miss in an online format. I think she was just stating her opinion; there's no need to get up in arms over it.

    I agree with the OP, though. It would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Ok I'm done and she is gonna be the first SW member that I have had to put on ignore. I come to SW to enjoy conversations with other people and I assumed that it is one place where I would not have to be judged or criticised for my decision to dance.
    I think you took it a little too personally; I'm pretty sure she was talking in terms of, like, sociology, not criticizing you personally. You made yourself an example, so she took it up as an example is all. And really if you read over this thread, you've been the most negative, by quite a lot. Like, I get it - I've done it too. But there is sometimes a time to step back and say "gosh, maybe this is a little bit my fault, and maybe I didn't need to respond in exactly that way." Seriously - read again with a little distance. Girl is just doing a reading of Firefly, man. There is not really any need for the anger.

    Further, I would that that responding to posts in a thorough and insightful way would be more for you than anyone. I mean really - do you really want to adding just "you're a bitch I hate you" posts to the thread? Like you choose to add; you CHOOSE to "defend" yourself. You might as well do it in an effective, intelligent way.
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    this has gone on long enough. it's closed

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