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    I'm not losing sleep over this or anything, but wanted to see what SW'ers had to say being in an industry where looks are a big factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyGirl
    This weekend, I went to Cedar Point with a bunch of friends.

    For the non-midwesterners, Cedar Point is the amusement park with the greatest roller coasters around. I love roller coasters, and Cedar Point is a roller coaster-phile's dream come true.

    Although I've been to the park a few times, I always went at night, and usually went on just a few rides. Saturday was my first all day weekend trip -- and I was shocked by what I experienced.

    On every single ride we went on -- every single one, without exception -- I watched as a fat person was made to leave the ride after discovering that he or she couldn't fit into the seat. One by one, I watched these people do the Fat Walk of Shame, away from the ride and toward the waiting area.

    I was petrified that I would not fit into a ride, or that my boyfriend might not fit into a ride. Every single line was nerve-wracking, waiting to see if I waited in line for 75 minutes just to find that I was too fat to ride.

    Fortunately for both of us, we squeezed onto each ride we went on -- though in some cases just barely. It was a huge blow to my self-esteem, as you can imagine -- to say nothing of the many, many people I saw leaving the rides, unable to fit, and the many more fat people I saw at the park who didn't even attempt to get on the rides.



    When I got home, I read this on Cedar Point's web site:

    Guests of Exceptional Size
    All passenger restraint systems, including lap bars, shoulder harnesses and seatbelts, must be positioned, fastened and tightened to allow guests to ride.

    Due to rider restraint system requirements, guests of exceptional size may not be accommodated on some of our rides. This may apply, but not be limited to, males who exceed 6'2", and those who exceed 225 pounds, have a 40" waistline or 52" chest or females who exceed 200 pounds or wear size 18 or larger. Each person has different body proportions, so it is impossible to determine exact size and weight.

    Our larger guests may experience difficulty on Blue Streak, Chaos, Corkscrew, Disaster Transport, Mantis, Maverick, maXair, Mean Streak, Millennium Force, Mine Ride, Power Tower, Raptor, Skyhawk,Wave Swinger, Wicked Twister and Top Thrill Dragster.

    Maximum recommended weight limits are posted on Camp Snoopy rides, Chaos, Monster, Scrambler, Super Himalaya, Troika, Wave Swinger, RipCord and most Soak City attractions.

    You may enter the ride via the exit to ensure the restraints function properly prior to waiting in line. We have test seats at Maverick, maXair, Millennium Force, Raptor, Skyhawk, Top Thrill Dragster and Wicked Twister.
    As you can probably tell, almost all the rides -- and all of the big roller coasters -- cannot accommodate "guests of exceptional size."

    On a basic business level, this is fucked. An adult pass into Cedar Point costs $41. How is it fair to ask all your guests to pay $41 when they cannot enjoy everything the park has to offer? There are reduced rates for children for precisely this reason -- since children can't go on most of the "big rides," their tickets are less expensive. If Cedar Point is going to continue to build rides that exclude a large segment of their customers, they cannot charge those customers the same amount of money that they charge customers who will be able to enjoy every attraction.

    On a larger (*snicker*) level, this is plain discrimination. There is no reason why these rides -- especially the new ones -- cannot be engineered to safely support larger people. There is no reason why the restraint systems cannot be altered to fit a wider range of guests. Cedar Point is in the business of leisure, entertainment and fun. You would think that the amusement park would be interested in making as many guests as possible as comfortable and happy as possible.

    The older rides, moreover, could use a face-lift -- and if that's a longer seat belt or stronger supports, well then, so much the better for everyone's safety. :|

    Whether it's evolution or a sign of the apocalypse, people are getting larger -- taller, broader, fatter. Why amusement parks are content to feed us corn dogs and cotton candy and cheese fries but will not accommodate fat people on their rides is beyond me. And I'm furious.

    Anyway, being all pro-active and shit, part of me really wants to inititate a class-action lawsuit against Cedar Point on behalf of fat people. Part of me thinks a Strongly Worded Letter might be enough to make me feel better. :lol:

    I can think of a few reasons why Cedar Point might say that fat people should not be riding roller coasters, but none of them seem completely compelling to me. I would really appreciate your thoughts on this topic, and any ideas or arguments you have one way or the other, so I can think it through a little more before I begin the barrage of Strongly Worded Letters.
    Many people seem to think Cedar Point should go to the expense of adding extra seats for those that are too large for the extra seats. I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatinaRose
    Sorry, but I don't feel amusement parks should have to accommodate overweight people. "Fat" is a problem that is out of control in this country. It is not a healthy lifestyle and accommodating that only encourages it.

    I realize my statement is controversial to some, but I think fat is not only unhealthy, but lazy. I don't really feel bad for anyone that can't get on a ride due to their large size. If you are unhappy about your size and the problems it may cause you, DO something about it, don't bitch about it on a computer forum.

    Again, sorry if I have offended anyone.
    My post is near the bottom of page 10 and the drama starts after that. I was called a snob and told I was very offensive. But I really don't care. Obesity is out of control in this country and accommodating that only encourages it. I have several other posts in the last few pages if y'all care to read. But mostly, I just wanna know what you think. Sometimes, I hate how you can't go against the grain on ANY forum!! People are allowed to have different opinions and should be able to state them w/o getting flamed.

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    Hehe, I should probably include a link!

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    On a basic business level, this is fucked. An adult pass into Cedar Point costs $41. How is it fair to ask all your guests to pay $41 when they cannot enjoy everything the park has to offer? There are reduced rates for children for precisely this reason -- since children can't go on most of the "big rides," their tickets are less expensive. If Cedar Point is going to continue to build rides that exclude a large segment of their customers, they cannot charge those customers the same amount of money that they charge customers who will be able to enjoy every attraction.
    With this attitude, people would feel justified in spilling over into my seat on an airplane. Fuck that. If you're too fucking fat to meet the engineering, design and business model of the enterprise in question, that's not my problem. In fact, you should pay more than a person that isn't infringing on the space of others or exceeding the design limitations of the product/service.
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    I think that your post offensive.Its bold but there is nothing wrong with that.

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    I agree with you and I use to be overweight myself. I took the appropriate actions to make myself more healthy by losing the weight. Now at a size 0 to size 2 it's very hard finding clothes that fit without paying a lot for them and since I don't dance any longer it's difficult to shell out the necessary money for clothing. And then they make stores like Lane Bryant and Catherines for larger women at affordable prices and recently closed down Petite Sophisticate which was a reasonable place to purchase a dress suit for a job interview.

    Almost all my relatives are obese, not overweight, but obese. I refuse to sucome to their sedentary lifestyle and foolish dietary choices. Both my grandmothers have diabetes type 2, high blood pressure and high cholestrol. My father also has high blood pressure, high cholestrol and had a quadruple bypass after a major heart attack at 46. And most of aunts and uncles aren't in good shape either. I took my grandmother to eat dinner tonight and she wanted to order a loaded baked potato, broccoli casserole along with the yeasts rolls she just ate. She visits Cracker Barrell twice weekly and eats whatever she pleases. I do respect her and think she should enjoy her life but she is cutting it shorter than neccesary with her dietary choices. Anyhow, I convinced my grandmother to order the baked potato with sour cream on the side and just use a small spoon of it as opposed to cheese, butter, sour cream and bacon bits. I don't know how many fat and cholestrol grams I actually did save her. But for most of us it really is a lifestyle choice, eat healthly and feel better throughout your life or get instant gratification from shoving your face with crap on a regular basis and feel good for 20 minutes than suffer the rest of your life.

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    Heh...now that is what I would call an entitleMOO.

    I have a serious issue with people thinking they can squeeze their 300+lb. asses onto a ride and possibly endanger MY safety.

    There is no reason why these rides -- especially the new ones -- cannot be engineered to safely support larger people.
    And WHY should they have to rebuild the entire park and all the rides because you have no fucking self control when it comes to eating? Spend the money on a ticket to Cedar Point, or get a therapist to find the real root of your problem. Or give it to Jenny Craig, but don't think you can have special rights that might endanger my safety. Fat fuck....

    Sorry I'm pissed about this one.

    ETA: for the record, I am not anti-fat people or anything. My best friend was almost 500lbs but he knew his limitations and acknowledged that he had a problem and didn't ask for special rights.

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    See now, the problem with You're Fat You Cant Ride is that not EVER single overweight person CHOOSES to be so. There ARE overweight people who have actual medical conditions that causes their weight and size. I have a few in my family. And honestly? The fact that these people WILL get turned away SHOULD be very easily found where you buy tickets. People see that, and they won't be out on money if they don't go. And also, I think that the companies that make said rides should start making them to accommodate larger people, since we ARE an overweight country. Putting that aside, I think how you responded was rude. I think you generalized all overweight people as lazy and at fault, and even if that WERE true, which it is not, you could have been a bit less biting about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter View Post
    See now, the problem with You're Fat You Cant Ride is that not EVER single overweight person CHOOSES to be so. There ARE overweight people who have actual medical conditions that causes their weight and size. I have a few in my family. And honestly? The fact that these people WILL get turned away SHOULD be very easily found where you buy tickets. People see that, and they won't be out on money if they don't go. And also, I think that the companies that make said rides should start making them to accommodate larger people, since we ARE an overweight country. Putting that aside, I think how you responded was rude. I think you generalized all overweight people as lazy and at fault, and even if that WERE true, which it is not, you could have been a bit less biting about it.
    I'm sorry you don't agree, and yes I was rude. I'm not all that concerned honestly.

    There ARE people who have medical conditions that make them fat, but that really is a very low percentage of people who are overweight in this country. Here in America we have a problem with obesity and it has MUCH more to do with lack of self-control, food addiction and unhealthy eating habits than anything else.
    Those who are overweight should find other activities or lose weight. It's not safe or reasonable to ask the rest of the world to accomodate their usually self-imposed condition. Plus, I agree that it does nothing but enable an unhealthy lifestyle to start catering to the obese.
    Think of it this way, would you want people to stop drinking and smoking in bars because I (a pregnant woman) happened to walk in the door? No, those places are designated for people to engage in those activities. If I don't want to be around the smoke and drinking, I stay home. I don't ask people to cater to me because of a choice that I made.
    I have been on many rides and have seen that they can safely hold people up to a certain size...but that size is quite large. If THAT many people are being turned away, I'm sorry hon but that's not a thyroid issue...it's a cheeseburger epidemic.

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    I agree with Paige that you sounded a tad harsh (i.e., that there are indeed fat people from medical problems, emotional probs etc) , but at the same time I agree with your post.

    I mean... make big hospital beds, big bus seats, and big life vests. But riding rides at a theme park is a luxury. They have a damn disclaimer on the site, so it's not [legally] their problem if people decide to still go!

    If you want a fancy house, get rich. If you wanna fit on small rollercoasters, you should probably be that size as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    Think of it this way, would you want people to stop drinking and smoking in bars because I (a pregnant woman) happened to walk in the door? No, those places are designated for people to engage in those activities. If I don't want to be around the smoke and drinking, I stay home. I don't ask people to cater to me because of a choice that I made.
    I have been on many rides and have seen that they can safely hold people up to a certain size...but that size is quite large. If THAT many people are being turned away, I'm sorry hon but that's not a thyroid issue...it's a cheeseburger epidemic.

    I was addressing the OP, not you hun!



    As for the part I quoted above, they've already been banning smoking in bars in some areas to accommodate those who choose not to... but theat isn't topical. The difference is, you choose to stay home, you aren't MADE to leave a bar because there is smoking and you're pregnant, right?


    Yes, obesity is unhealthy, but so is smoking, when you get down to it. So is excessive drinking. They may have a bunch of variables that make the odds of death different... but I digress. What is important is that some folks CHOOSE to be fat and like it. Just like smokers choose to smoke, and lushes choose to drink. To punish them for what is their right to become is wrong, if you simply look at the principle of it. Fat people want to be normal too. They want to be treated normally. What about those who are TRYING to loose weight? Is it fair to make them put their lives on hold until they are what we think is right? I guess I just think that everyone has a right to be happy, even if they're happy being overweight. That's all.
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    About two years ago, a man died on the New England Six Flags Superman ride (awesome roller coaster). He actually flew off the ride because - you guessed it - he was TOO FAT for the hrness to close properly. Big news around here, and the ride was kaput all summer as a result.

    Of course, Six Flags was criticized for letting him on in the first place. So they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. I think the answer has to lie somewhere in the middle.

    I think the OP's response to that thread had a good point, but yes, was worded insensitively.
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    In my following post, I said that I realize there are people out there who have medical problems that cause them be obese. However, I do not think they are the majority. Maybe I should put up my other posts so I don't sound like a complete bitch.

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    While I agree that people should do what they wish..the amusment ride company NEEDS a standard. They cant custom build every seat in every ride to accomodate super over or under weight people. S if you dont meet the criteria...sorry...you cant ride. Same with planes..if you cant fit into one seat..you should have to pay for two. Period.

    If you are outside the norm...you should at least acknowledge that and live with the limitations that comes with.

    That doesnt justify people being rude about it. Just differant choices have differanct consequenses. And if it isnt a choice...then still. It may not be my CHOICE to be female....but I acknowledge that I cannot go in the mens bathroom because of it. Silly comparison I know...but holds the same ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    With this attitude, people would feel justified in spilling over into my seat on an airplane. Fuck that. If you're too fucking fat to meet the engineering, design and business model of the enterprise in question, that's not my problem. In fact, you should pay more than a person that isn't infringing on the space of others or exceeding the design limitations of the product/service.
    FUCK YES! i constantly have that problem on public transit...i'm not really big on people touching me without my permission, so i carry a small purse at all times, mash myself against the side of the bus or train, and put my purse down on the 4" or so of the seat that i'm not using...this frequently results in people who are much much larger bitching at me that my bag doesn't need a seat, so would i please move it to make them more comfortable...and of course, when my reply is "myself AND my purse are occupying ONE seat (usually while pointing at the line between the seats)...i paid a full fare, just like you did, and i'm entitle to a single seat, just like you are...don't blame me if your ass is too wide" i get made out to be the bad guy...
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    While I'm not sure that there is a good argument for a lawsuit, I can't imagine that casting amusement parks as the arbiters of health and the social good of thinness is an effectiveness counterargument. And if you wanted to make a point without being controversial, you might have considered leaving out value judgments like "lazy" when talking about people you don't even know. That's just wildly discourteous for one thing, and for another doesn't make for effective communication. Much like guys coming here and saying "If you don't like guy's fingering you, get off your stupid ass and get a real job." Really - does the accuracy even matter? I really don't think that our problem with the fat is that strongly related to health. Like I don't think the active repulsion we experience while looking at the very fat is really based in "Oh my gosh, that guy is just not very healthy at all! That slender young lady next to him has much better functioning organs!" It's aesthetic. It is a value. It is NOT because we're "concerned" about these people.

    CO - your argument is not with fat people but the airline. They are selling the seats and it is their job to ensure that everyone (including you) is accommodated. If someone is spilling into your seat it is their job to deal with it.

    "myself AND my purse are occupying ONE seat (usually while pointing at the line between the seats)...i paid a full fare, just like you did, and i'm entitle to a single seat, just like you are...don't blame me if your ass is too wide" i get made out to be the bad guy...
    Well - yeah you think? That is because you are being incredibly rude. Much, much, much (much!) ruder than they are. Leave out that last part, and it might not happen as much.
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    It sounded harsh babe and I understand what you mean but it's not like fat people should just curl up in a ball and do nothing because they don't fit the mold of the average person.

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    As far as size....my ex is 6'6 and 240, but not fat, all muscle. He probably couldn't ride most rollercoasters, correct? So its not always an issue of being fat, some people are just too tall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex View Post
    There ARE people who have medical conditions that make them fat, but that really is a very low percentage of people who are overweight in this country. Here in America we have a problem with obesity and it has MUCH more to do with lack of self-control, food addiction and unhealthy eating habits than anything else.
    Those who are overweight should find other activities or lose weight. It's not safe or reasonable to ask the rest of the world to accomodate their usually self-imposed condition. Plus, I agree that it does nothing but enable an unhealthy lifestyle to start catering to the obese.

    I have been on many rides and have seen that they can safely hold people up to a certain size...but that size is quite large. If THAT many people are being turned away, I'm sorry hon but that's not a thyroid issue...it's a cheeseburger epidemic.
    Speaking of thyroid issues, I have one. I have a pretty serious one. It sucks. And I have been fat. Hell, I've been obese. I've had heart problems due to being obese. And y'know what? I decided I didn't want to live like that.

    I changed. I changed everything. I now fight my fatness every day. Every freakin day. I'm screwed in terms of genetics. I know this. But I have a choice as to whether or not to give up and eat Whoppers for the rest of my life.

    The 2/3 of Americans who are overweight or obese have a choice, too. There are always ways to be healthy. There are always options. They can change. But it seems easier to insist that the world change to accomodate their ever-expanding asses. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter View Post

    As for the part I quoted above, they've already been banning smoking in bars in some areas to accommodate those who choose not to... but theat isn't topical. The difference is, you choose to stay home, you aren't MADE to leave a bar because there is smoking and you're pregnant, right?
    They should make a pregnant woman leave a bar if there is smoking!! It's not safe.

    But that is besides the point...it is the environment being unhealthy to it's occupant, or the inverse is that the occupant is unhealthy to the overall safety and enjoyment of the environment that make both situations comparable by analogy. Maybe it wasn't the best example but I hope my point can be seen.

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    I'm not going to say if it was rude or not because I can see both sides of the issue (having bigger friends but also being annoyed with larger people at times).

    One thing I will say, though, is that there was something similar to this that happened to us at Schlitterbahn last summer. They have that uphill water coaster thing there, and while we were waiting in line they had to completely shut off the water THREE times to help the overweight people that got stuck because the water wouldn't "lift" them uphill.

    Now...were people rude? Could be. I heard a ton of groans and a few boos mixed in. All I can remember is telling Mox when we got to that part... "Lift your butt up! Lift your butt up! I don't want to get stuck like those big people did!" (I didn't want to get booed, too.)

    I do know a friend who is quite large, though, that has a thyroid issue and has problems controlling her weight. It's a touchy subject for her, too, because she rarely leaves the house (except to go to work) because nobody can or will accommodate her.

    Now...if you just stuff your face and blame things on everyone else...screw THAT crap.

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    I agree with you LR. I also agree with the male poster who complained about a large person spilling over their seat in an airplane. Fucking pisses me off that they have to take half of MY seat I paid money for just because I'm smaller!

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    I'm in the nursing field, and I am sick of having to lug around people's fat asses, especially if they can't do it on their own. What really ticks me off is that 99% of the time, it's preventable. Yeah, I care for people, but I sometimes wish that I could only care for people who take care of themselves. I hurt my back when caring for a 4'10" 300 lb woman who couldn't put down the fried chicken. It scares me that obesity is commonplace, and that morbid obesity is becoming more common.

    If you're so fat that you can't fit, then lose weight. There are plenty of little people who can't go on rides because they have to be a certain height, but I don't see Verne Troyer (Mini-Me) suing amusement parks. Losing weight isn't easy, but it's a hell of a lot more modifiable than dwarfism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorsicaFire View Post
    I agree with you LR. I also agree with the male poster who complained about a large person spilling over their seat in an airplane. Fucking pisses me off that they have to take half of MY seat I paid money for just because I'm smaller!
    I've had that happen too, it disgusted me. And not to mention...extremely uncomfortable for me!

    I don't think your post was too harsh LR, the majority of fat people are fat because they eat bad/don't work out. My personal opinion is that people sugar coat things way too much these days.

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    Why do fat people think they're entitled to soemthing extra because rides for average size people cannot accomodate them?

    I sure didn't complain when I felt like I was going to slip through the safety harness and my back and head are jiggled around because I'm so tiny.

    I heard they wre going to start charging overly large people more money for airline tickets as well.

    Fat people should have to pay extra to take up so much space. Maybe then they might start living a healthier lifestyle.

    Shit, they don't even need to ride rides, they need to go swimming and walk. That's how they should enjoy the park.

    I hate being in line near those giant people because they sweat so much they stink and are all wet and nasty.

    Yuck!

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    I dont think your post was too contraversial really. It is a safety issue for the person who is too fat for the ride and for the safety of other patrons.
    They warned people and gave the measurements so that they did not have to walk up and embarrass themselves by being turned away.

    If the operators of the amusement park were smart though they would change the rides so that bigger people should be accomodated. It would be better for business as overweight people are now the majority. Obesity is an epidemic and it is not going away so while I agree that people should loose weight for health reasons, that is not the answer for these type of amusement parks.

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