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    I'm not saying that being/having freinds is bad! And many girls who have over 1000 posts do not feel as if there are part of the "group", as stated above. Noone is particulary mean in the "Clueless" sense, but there are certain friendships that I see many of the newer or less vocal girls having a hard time penatrating. I don't really care myself all that much, but when Cally posted that she thought everyone was more negative that usual, this is one of the main reasons (I think). Stop ganging up on what I said, and try to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darling View Post
    I'm not saying that being/having freinds is bad! And many girls who have over 1000 posts do not feel as if there are part of the "group", as stated above. Noone is particulary mean in the "Clueless" sense, but there are certain friendships that I see many of the newer or less vocal girls having a hard time penatrating. I don't really care myself all that much, but when Cally posted that she thought everyone was more negative that usual, this is one of the main reasons (I think). Stop ganging up on what I said, and try to understand.
    I am far from ganging up on you. Your "Annnnnnddddd, the clique rolls in." was a bit rude IMHO, and I was curious as to how we are cliquish. I make friends with whoever wants to BE friends, new old, many posts, few posts. If a new poster here wants to join in on the goofiness or the chatter or whatever, that's groovy! Having a hard time penetrating a friendship? It's just like making friends anywhere else. Say hi, talk to folks, be social. Not all that hard, really... I brought up those movies because they had straight up cliques in them. A group of tight knit friends who often refuse to include others and/or look down upon said others. That's really not how most of us roll around here. I love making new pals here, and many others here do too. I mean, I was a newb here once, and I made friends. A lot of the gals here I adore were newbs and I didn't block them out or deny them a chance to chatter along with me. I am really failing to see any major clique-ness here or how our friendships and socialization is causing the uprising in drama. I see threads that have a better chance of inciting flamey-ness compared to most, but that really has nothing to do with who is friends with so-and-so, etc... Hell, some of my best pals on here do NOT have the same ideals/ideas/feelings/opinions as I do. If we were a clique, in the basic sense of it, we'd be ganging up and always agreeing with each other, IMHO, and it just isn't happening.


    I'm sorry if you feel that my responses are "ganging up on you", but they really aren't. I cannot see the cliques you think are here. That's all.

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    Here's my take on the whole situation.
    * Pause to light a cig, take a deep breath in, and get ready to run for cover*

    Stipperweb, as a whole, has become very judgemental and closed minded lately. If a person has an opinion on something, THEIR'S is the only opinion that is right and correct, they are unwilling to see other sides of the situation, and are unwilling to budge in their origional judgement.
    Added to this, that the "clique" some people are talking about. I don't see it as a clique so much as a pack mentality that other's have also spoken of.
    If one of the more senior mebers of this site gives their opinion, their friends follow that opinion. Everyone else jumps on the bandwagon, and ends up totally running people who's opinion differs totally into the ground. I have seen some people who had the unpopular opinion get totally thrashed, way more than they may have deserved.

    Then there is this partiular air of "my shit don't stink". People act liek they are better then everyone else, act as if they do no wrong, never have, never will. Thi sis simply not true. It is not possible for a person, any person to be completly perfect, Yet, they act as if they do no wrong, and then bash someone who admits to doiing wrong. An example of this was the girl who married the guy for money so he could get citizenship. She got totally and completly slammed for her mistake, and everyoen else acted like they have never made any mistakes in life.
    ANother example was the Paris Hilton DUI thread.

    The whole childfree thread was just a trainwreck. It caused a lot of hurt feelings, but I don't feel any one person was to blame. Everyone contributed to that thread. It was just a complete trainwreck.

    I think....Put everyone on SW into one big room, people are sure to bicker and fight. Not everyone here woudl be friends in real life, not everyone here woudl get along. That's why forum's are moderated. Bickering is garunteed to happen. Unfortunatly, right now the lounge is open. Noone is around to moderate it, and the bickering got worse. Noone could clean up after it. I don't think that any certain people are acting bitchier than usual. It's just that noone is around to clean up the bitchy comments, so they snowball into huge arguments.

    I don't think anyone is really to blame, excpet Pryce for not being able to keep up with the website he created. I strongly feel that if he is to busy to care for his site, then he should ptu someone in charge who can take care of it, because SW is begining to fall apart. There are so many other issues that need addressed and aren't.

    As for the "cliques". Yes, there are cliques. If your in one, you can't really see beyond that to see that there are certain cliques. . I don't think it matters, or causes a problem. Just liek in real life, you have your own group of friends. You would be quick to defend your friend in real life, and it's the same here. A lot of people have met and made friends in real life with other people from this site. SO of course, they are going to step up and defend their friends, and act a certain way towards them. I don't see a problem with it. The only problem I see is when EVERYONE jumps on and singles out 1 person and starts bashing them, for pages and pages. If you disagree with something, say your piece, then step out. There's no need to completly drive somenoe into the ground.

    I don't thin kit has anythign do to with post count, although of course, nweer people are going to have a harder time with havign their opinions beign valued, just because they need to earn trust, just like in real life. You don't get a new job at a club, and immeadatl are well liked and trusted and a valued member just because your there. You have to earn respect first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callyish View Post
    So by clique you mean girls who have over a thousand posts?
    No babe, I think you gotta read again, because I'm waaay over 1,000 and I'm a loner

    But hey, I get it, I haven't met anyone in person yet, no one really knows me

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    Yes Cally, I've definitely noticed it too. Especially with my "Has anyone ever met Sophie Marie" thread. The flaming reactions that I'd gotten with that thread were just a little over-the-top, especially for certain people who'd actively participated in the other S. M. thread yet decided on the very day that I posted my thread, that it was "wrong" and "immature."

    I'll admit that I've been a little more opinionated and disagreeable lately, but not because I'm trying to be a bitch(the bad kind). Instead, it is because I've been trying to practice standing up for myself and my opinions more, even if those opinions contrast with others'. I've been purposely trying to post more on threads where 99% of the posters have a different view than me. I find it easier to start being more bold on a forum, than to start in "real life." It's part of a self course in assertiveness training LOL.

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    Well, fuckity fuck fuck fuck! That's my bit of mischeif for the day!

    I think people are pissed off because most of us are giving more than we're getting back. The money isn't flowing right, the customers are acting bitchy and opportunistic, the artistic aspect of the gig is going out the window, the clubs would rather cater to prostitutes than dancers or former customers preferences. So the party is grinding to a freaking halt! Girls, I know at my club (Masters), the mood was in the toilet most of the season (if you wanna call it that). Women dreaming of doing this for ten years and using it as a stepping stone are being jolted into a VERY harsh reality.

    People are burnt out from giving more than they get back so they gotta vent. Every multi-national corporation is making a run. Every lender/developer has made a run while treating customers and employees like crap! The government refuses to keep educational funding up to date with today's prices so doors to self-sufficiency are closing... It's tough all over
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post
    Yes Cally, I've definitely noticed it too. Especially with my "Has anyone ever met Sophie Marie" thread. The flaming reactions that I'd gotten with that thread were just a little over-the-top, especially for certain people who'd actively participated in the other S. M. thread yet decided on the very day that I posted my thread, that it was "wrong" and "immature."

    I'll admit that I've been a little more opinionated and disagreeable lately, but not because I'm trying to be a bitch(the bad kind). Instead, it is because I've been trying to practice standing up for myself and my opinions more, even if those opinions contrast with others'. I've been purposely trying to post more on threads where 99% of the posters have a different view than me. I find it easier to start being more bold on a forum, than to start in "real life." It's part of a self course in assertiveness training LOL.
    Good for you Philly! That's a good idea, and what I try to do as well. I hope I wasn't one of the bitches in your other thread; I tried to be helpful but honest

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    What all you girls need is a good long hard...<edited by moderator> !!!




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    Quote Originally Posted by CorsicaFire View Post
    Good for you Philly! That's a good idea, and what I try to do as well. I hope I wasn't one of the bitches in your other thread; I tried to be helpful but honest
    No, you weren't that bad. You weren't one of the encouragers/participants in the infamous "Who killed SM" thead, therefore, you had a firm leg to stand on when it came to telling me that you were tired of reading about SM. It was moreso some of the people that had taken part in the other SM thread, then decided to "switch sides" when I posted. I don't even remember who all those were...it was probably one person, which encouraged others to start agreeing with that person(it's a psychological/sociological thing called the "bandwagon theory").

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    the customers are acting bitchy and opportunistic,
    "Opportunistic" is the term that was used in my biology classes to describe BACTERIA that would turn parasitic as soon they sensed a person had a weak spot(i.e., the host/person became sick and immunosuppressed). LOL I find it funny that you described customers as having a common trait with such primitive, prokaryotic BACTERIA! To compare them to bacteria is kind of an insult, but I feel that a lot of the bitchy customers deserve it, considering how damn cheap and obnoxious they can be.

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    Awww, can't we all just get along??? I love all you guys.

    This is by far the best internet comunity I've ever found and am very thankful to be a part of it. Yeah, we have our disagreements, but who doesn't? We're a very diverse group of people and even though we have a lot of things in common, there are certain issues that we will butt heads over-it's inevitable.

    How interesting would it be if everyone had the same opinions and were carbon copies of each other? I don't know about you, but I'd find it pretty damn boring.

    I do agree though that some members have been unnecessarily bashed/flamed for speaking their minds.

    Alexxa, PhillyDancer Exctasy in Daytona and Miabella come to mind just to name a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post
    "Opportunistic" is the term that was used in my biology classes to describe BACTERIA that would turn parasitic as soon they sensed a person had a weak spot(i.e., the host/person became sick and immunosuppressed). LOL I find it funny that you described customers as having a common trait with such primitive, prokaryotic BACTERIA! To compare them to bacteria is kind of an insult, but I feel that a lot of the bitchy customers deserve it, considering how damn cheap and obnoxious they can be.
    Giiiiirrrrrlll, that's exactly how I mean it. These men are johns--not customers! They are predators coming in to look for the weak girl or create a weakness in a girl's mind and exploit it. The club owners are pimps looking to weaken the girls who work there and drive the strong ones away through permissive policies, high fees, and over scheduling. You remember AC--the tip split, the violent bitches they let run amok, the bachelor parties they let run amok...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Giiiiirrrrrlll, that's exactly how I mean it. These men are johns--not customers! They are predators coming in to look for the weak girl or create a weakness in a girl's mind and exploit it. The club owners are pimps looking to weaken the girls who work there and drive the strong ones away through permissive policies, high fees, and over scheduling. You remember AC--the tip split, the violent bitches they let run amok, the bachelor parties they let run amok...
    Oh yes I remember too well! And I agree 100% about the customers that look for the weak girls and exploit them to their entertainment. When I had a more innocent look(pre-implants, pre-heavy makeup) and acted more friendly and down-to-earth, I had a lot more guys asking for a kiss or trying to grope me where they shouldn't. Last summer when I was bummed about not finding a job in my field and even more bummed about making lousier-than-usual money stripping, guys would ask me if stripping was "all that I did" and I would explain how I had graduated college and was seeking a job in field X. The most common response? A very flippant "oh, and now you're here." Rude, rude, rude!

    Or what about the stupid-ass Home Vestors manager that came into CH, and didn't spend a single dime but wanted to try and hustle a house sale on me? I was too nice/subservient to walk away from him for fear of being rude, and he probably saw that nice-by-obligation in me and that's probably why he wasted my time but told Emily "Thanks, but I'm okay. Go make your money!" He pissed me off to the point that I will NEVER EVER buy a house from Home Vestors now(especially since I sense that they are a bit of a rip-off company).

    Or the time 2 days before I got my implants, when a group of young guys came in and flamed me and accused me of "lying" about getting implants. (Excuse me if they came into the club 2 days too soon) They all refused to tip me, and stared at me with snobbish disgusted looks on their faces when I was dancing on stage. They were definitely preying upon my weakness, the weakness being the low esteem I had about my flatchestedness at that time.

    Sorry to rant...but you are absolutely right! There were people waaaay weaker and more submissive to me, and I cannot imagine how the customers shitted on them. Ugh.

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    Just a harmless observation but Cally made this thread about people getting angry and it seems to have happened in this very thread.


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    ^^^^Yeah, I know what you mean. I feel the same way as Kaylinn does. SW seems to just be... falling apart.

    Now, I'm all for people having different opinions, and I am SO totally not always right in what I think.

    I'll even bite and say maybe The Clique that we've been talking about is so tight with each other cause they share so many of the same opinions, and that's why some people get shut down so hard - cause some of the most active members think so much alike on some things.

    I do know that we are rapidly intimidating, distancing, and bewildering the new girls that join SW because of it, though. We're not going to be a community much longer if it keeps up. It'll all be old and stale... lots of lurkers, maybe, but the same handful of people posting everywhere.

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    i agree with kaylinn, too. i know lately i havent been coming on here as much as i used to (even though i havent been around as long as some of you) and half the time i'm like hmm should i even post about this? because i dont want the negative responses that i'm afraid i'll get. that sounds probably different than i mean it, i obviously want opinions, but sometimes im afraid to post certain things because i feel like it'll start a bad thread or something.

    i'm glad cally started this thread and brought it out in the open. but then again.. i kinda feel like if someone else had, like me, or a lot of other people, actually, it would've taken a different turn and wouldnt have been responded to in the same way.

    i dont know, just my 2 cents.

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    ^^^Exactly. You have to second guess EVERYTHING. It stunts the flow of the conversation.

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    I dont think people should 'be afraid' to post certain threads. Its a forum...make with the conversation already. Gosh ya'll are thinking too much around here. Lets face it here some people are down right annoying on SW and some are very endearing. So say what you want to say just be adult about it but unfortunately being adult has many definitions to people.
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    I agree with Cally, britt, cherrysin,kaylinn ect I don't really come on this site as much as I used to and I have noticed a big change for the worse as well. It's dumb to sugar coat things but we don't have to be straight out agressive bitches, it started to feel like a strip club in here with all the drama. I myself have posted a mean nasty comment so this is a good wake up call.

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    ^^^ I agree with this. It's a forum, who cares if someone dissagrees with you, you can turn your computer off or switch the page and leave the situation. Just post your piece, let people say what they say, don't take anything too personally. We are strippers for crying out loud, we're supposed to be known for our thick skin and assertivness. Poeple have dissagreed with me highly before, and in another thread been totally and completely helpfull and friendly. That's how it should be. Just agree to dissagree, just like anywhere else in the world. Toughen up.
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    I agree with Tigersmilk that people shouldn't be afraid to post certain threads. I think so as well. The problem is that sometimes topics get just completely exploded. All it takes is ONE person to say something nasty or mushy or one of the clique members to say something against the idea and the whole thread just explodes.

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    Thank you Fawn! (good to see you posting again by the way)

    PEOPLE!!! When you get frightened you'll be flamed--post it ANYWAY! Let your flag fly!! No one is going to come through the screen and whip yo' ass!

    When I first found this sanctuary, I was so intimidated and took it very personally when I thought my posts were ignored. Gradually, I got bolder and stopped imagining other people's responses. DO THAT! You are all so valuable. Every voice (even sophiemarie) is so precious and rich and makes the community stronger. Everyone has an experience to share and as long as you're not abusive you are sooooo welcome here!

    Don't let the cliques bother you. I have buds in the community but it doesn't keep me from disagreeing when I must. They don't get angry at my disagreement. Oh, they may ask what my rationale is but they don't rip me a new one! As for the various and sundry--ya' can't please 'em all! EVER! That's OK, don't let that fact stop YOU from enjoying YOUR COMMUNITY.
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    On a different note, there are always waves of drama. When I joined there were members going at it on various forums. Most of them aren't here anymore but the community didn't fall apart! Don't worry. We're OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by virgoamm View Post
    This is by far the best internet comunity I've ever found and am very thankful to be a part of it.

    I will second this comment! I try to stay out of the girly talk, and only post in topics relevent to guys too, but by far I have to most fun on this site, in the lounge, and its due to the extreme diversity of the people that post here. I think most internet communities go through these phases where every one seems to be at each other throat. Usually they pass, hopefully this one will too.


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    I post a ton on here, and now that I've made my presence better known by being a post whore for a while I feel like I get better responses - but when I first came on here I was pretty much invisible. My threads would get a few responses here and there, but now I get alot more feedback because after a long time of mosying my way into chat and talking into the late hours with people on here, pm-ing anyone I thought sounded upset or had changed their mood to sad and asking what was going on, trying to be friendly to everyone and respond alot so that people would start to recognize my posts, talking to a few members on the phone, etc.....
    But I'm still intimidated by the people who've posted on here way longer than me. You just have to put yourself out there. The second day I was on SW I pm-d Paige and told her that I was incredibly intimidated by her hotness and pretty much in love with her, and though she'd been here WAY longer than me then we've been friends since then...
    I've recieved my share of negative feedback, and lack of responses, and I don't know if I'm a part of any clique because I'm still indimidated as hell by alot of the more well known posters.....but I apoligize if my occasional thread de-railing to love on a poster has been annoying. I thought we were all just bein friendly. I've noticed some bitchiness on here lately, and I hope I haven't contributed to any of it or any hurt feelings.

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