http://www.ktvu.com/news/13370961/detail.html
The district attorney says there's insufficient evidence? WHAT?
http://www.ktvu.com/news/13370961/detail.html
The district attorney says there's insufficient evidence? WHAT?





Well it appears to be a "he said she said" case.
Go to Feministing, I Blame the Patriarchy, or Trailer Park Feminist--all really great blogs. They have the facts as to what happened, as far as we know. Basically, 3 female soccer players pushed their way into the room where at least 8 men were watching another man penetrate an intoxicated, unconscious 17 year old teenager. The girls who helped the other girl actually had to FORCE their way into the room, as the men were blocking the door--several of the men told them to stay out of it, and that the girl "did this to herself"by virtue of being intoxicated. The girl was found laying on the bed with vomit running down the sides of her face, and her jeans and underwear pushed down around one ankle. Seems like gangrape is now legal in the US. A drunken teen who is rendered unconscious is in no way able to give "consent". How they could not go through with the case, even with eyewitnesses, is beyond me. Go and read. It truly is sickening.
Did the victim not file any charges, or go to the hospital to allow evidence to be documented?? It shouldn't be that easy to get away with a horrible crime like that.





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^ Simple, because nobody could give a shit if women are raped. Something like only 1% of REPORTED rape cases even go to trial. What's the point? You're humiliated when you report it, they tell you it's your fault, that you wore too short of a skirt, etc. Nobody reports rape because nobody cares. It's the truth. It's sad, it's harsh... it's honest. Either nobody wants to believe women are raped, or we're still just property that deserves it.
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I've seen bits and pieces on my local news. I was appalled when the announcement was made that no charges were being filed.
Like VG said, someone at least needs to be held responsible for college aged men having sex with an underaged, intoxicated girl. Not to mention someone being held responsible for this girl drinking underage.
Apparently, the girl has moved away from her town. There is some speculation that she did not want to go through with the case--and given the attitude of acceptance toward rape these days, who could blame her? What 17 year old could endure such a public backlash, which she was sure to recieve? Out of all crimes, rape seems to be the one where you are automatically assumed to be lying, and the onus of proof falls too heavily on the victim--apparently, saying "no", and not wanting to have sex forced upon you against your will isn't enough. What makes me ill is that the message that it is A-OK to rape is really getting out there---teaching younger men that if you can take it, it's yours to take, and you will probably get away with it.




That plus the fact of the matter is that some of those ( baseball team boys ) parents are more than likely friends with that DA and associated office's connections and more than likely they have money to.
So that seventeen year old girl is literal fucked and yes it is sickening.
Sounds bad.
Does anyone have a link to a site that discusses this in more detail other than the ones listed above? No offense, but feminist sites think every rape is true. Most of the responses seem to indicate that they think the Duke rape case dismissal was a miscarriage of justice.
Having said that, these soccer players describe a scene that is disgusting and if true, those dirtbags should see prison.
No, feminist sites are just more likely to believe a woman who says she has been raped. They don't go for slut-shaming (she was drunk, which means the slut asked for it) on those sites, which is really refreshing--since there is alot of that attitude prevalent in mainstream society whenever a woman tells her story of rape. And the rapes that get discussed on these sites are high-profile, so they are debating the cases on the same facts, presented publically, which are available for everyone to see. As for the Duke case, many people feel there was a miscarriage of justice, not just TEH FEMINISTS. I find your statement "they think every rape is true" to be more than a little ridiculous, and a bit of a bash against feminists sites. Have you ever read Pandagon? Feministing? Feministe?Automatically discrediting a site because it is for feminists seems close-minded---especially since we are talking about an issue that affects many women, which is rape.
I put feminist sites in the same category as I put far right wing sites...they have an agenda and it's usually an extreme one.
And you're right, many people besides feminists think the Duke case was a miscarriage of justice... for the lacrosse players.
I'm not looking for a pissing match here. I think that if these charges are true, and they appear to be, that these dirtbags belong behind bars. I'm just looking for a site that gives details on the case without the bias, and feminists automatically give 99% credence to the accusers in rape cases.





I actually felt the the 'they believe every rape is true' is just the problem with society. Not they believe every rape is true, but that there's someone out there who's willing to blame people for BELIEVING a rape victim. I mean, victim blaming much? Ugh... it was people like that who made me feel worthless when I reported mine.
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What "agenda" would that be? Feminism is about equality for men and women. Period. And if you are going to make inflammatory statements such as stating that feminist sites have an extreme "agenda" on par with the far right wingnuts in your country, I think you'd better be prepared to see them through. So--what "agenda"?





^^^ I would speculate that the district attorney's decision not to prosecute due to lack of ironclad physical evidence is a DIRECT result of the outcome of the Duke Lacross Players rape case. Based on the eventual facts surrounding the Duke rape case 'victim', and based on the consequences to the Duke rape case DA's future career, future cases that boil down to 'he said - she said' evidence are NOT going to receive serious attention. This is particularly true if the 'she' happens to be an exotic dancer !
Jesus, you know what? In the strict sense of the word, I consider myself a feminist.
Having said that, if a site is called "I Blame the Patriarchy" then you can't tell me it doesn't have a bias, especially when an article there is titled "The De Anza case: men really hate drunk teenage girls."





Oh damn I didn't see that. :/
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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_5996631?nclick_check=1
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_5974361
The second linked page has a related stories column that made me feel sick just reading the headlines.





"Experts: Gang rape common but prosecution is rare"
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Thanks Jani...
it sounds like it would be a tough case to prosecute, from that second link. All your witnesses are drunk and giving different stories, and some weirdness to it. The vomit on her face wasn't hers? WTF? And did they ever make an arrest? No names of possible rapists are mentioned anywhere.
The whole scene is disturbing. Crowds of people standing around watching a half-conscious girl being raped? And one girl even said she didn't think it was a rape situation...what does that mean?




The problem here is that the prosecution bears a burden of proving all elements of the crime of rape beyond a reasonable doubt. Both conflicting accounts and impaired memory create reasonable doubt. Though the prosecuting department may be convinced a rape took place, they must convince a jury of this to the required legal standard. If there's not enough evidence to do this, the department is simply wasting time and resources by going ahead with a trial.





So wait, there's not enough edvidence because she could have said yes but she doesn't remember and since she doesn't nobody knows... but doesn't that mean she wasn't conscious?! GAAAH. LOSE LOSE.
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Jesus--did you READ the article? An ugly situation calls for an impassioned response, I think. I also think that in this case, yes---those men really did hate that drunk teenage girl--gangrape never being an act of love and all. As for the name of the site, the patriarchy hurts everyone--including men--so I see nothing wrong with that, either. And if you consider yourself a feminist, you would not be so quick to use Twisty's blog as an example of someone toting an "agenda". So unless you have actually read her blog, and the blogs of Jessica Valenti or Amanda Marcotte, your argument is a straw one. But I'll be more than happy to resume this discussion with you, once your opinions are informed ones.
Looks like you have some reading to do!
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