thats something you dont see everyday.![]()




thats something you dont see everyday.![]()





It's not going down the shithole. It has always been like this just that now with the advances in communication technology (hello internet) as well as the sheer numbers of human beings on this planet... it just seems like it is "more" ... we just now KNOW about it all quicker and easier compared to the middle ages.
Plus the fact that there are some cultures etc that really don't give a crap about anything that is not of the human species.
I'm not "for" this by a long shot. Just that I realise it was always around in one variety etc or another.![]()
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[QUOTE=jaizaine;1092231]Indian and Asian countries seem to have very little empathy for animals. I was so disgusted when I was in Asia at the way animals are treated over there and I didn't mind voicing that.
When I was at Kuala Lumpar Zoo which was a concrete pit of a "zoo" a keeper threw 4 white rats into a kaymen (sp?) enclosure. The rats were screaming as they knew they were going to die and were terrified. I was fucking outraged. I understand that some animals need to be feed live food but a donk on the head is a more humane way to do this as the animal doesnt have to die in complete terror.
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In the zoos defense, many reptiles, including caiman's, (I'm assuming that's what you meant; the reptiles that resemble crocodiles) typically will not eat an animal that is not in motion.
I actually have owned caimans, various snakes, and had a cobra back in the day, and if I had presented them with an unconscious mouse/rat, it would have sat in the cage with them till the rat regained consciousness. Many reptiles cannot detect prey if it is still, and only "see" the animal when it begins to move. The cobra in particular was bit out of it in this regard. I tried to feed him frozen mice, that you warm and feed the snake...but even when I would dange it and move it, he wouldn't notice it. It had to be the live mouse skitter motion for him to strike and eat.
And before anyone asks, my cobra was well cared for and well loved. He never struck at a human hand (he was handled from birth), but as a precaution, he was milked regularly to lessen his venom, a process we made great efforts to make painless and comfortable, and which he seemed to actually enjoy.





I am happy to hear you didn’t feed live prey to your pets.
Every snake given to me has converted to frozen thawed food.
And for general principals it is illegal and considered to be animal cruelty in many states to hit prey in the head. The only acceptable way is to euthanize the prey is with CO2 gas, deep freeze it for 30 days to kill parasites and bacteria, thaw and feed away.
Sorry if I am getting to nit picky.
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^^
thanks!
I did feed live mice a couple of times but they were not fully conscious. Then I switched to frozen as I didn't have the stomach to feed live food. Captive animals will get used to eating frozen (and thawed out) prey.
Just a little reminder for those who feed live…
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Oh poor baby![]()
I have seen a badly scarred python but it lived through the experience. It had a live rat in it's cage but didn't kill it immediately and the rat mauled the snake's head.
And apparantly you didnt read the rest of the post.
I said many reptiles wont eat food that isn't moving...and you replied with "thats why I said hit them on the head". How does that make sense? I understand that many reptiles can learn to eat frozen food...but if I had insisted upon that, my cobra would have starved. That mouse would have sat in his cage for days, he wouldn't eat it.
I am all for animal rights, but the snakes need to eat as well. And as for the risks to the reptile, in my research that has been rare, and usually is the case of presenting a rat that is too large for the reptile. Sticking to large mice is often the safest route for the snake.
I think the other cases of abuse mentioned in this thread are indeed disgusting. But that's because they are for human pleasure. The snake's mouth sewn shut to make it "harmless", despite it's pain. The pig's teeth ripped out. The cow devoured by lion's so spectators can be entertained. They are vile examples of the exploitation of animals.
However, I don't consider the general feeding of animals abuse. It isn't for my or any other reptile owner's entertainment, it is to fill the animal's belly and keep it alive.





It makes sense because the prey animal still does move around, slowly but enough to stimulate the snake's interest in it. But it is not very aware of what is going on.
I am a reptile keeper myself. Of course you wouldnt let your animal starve to death. But most captive animals can be trained to eat frozen food. If u must feed live I think it is humane for the animal to be put through the least amount of terror possible and I did not think that throwing 4 rats into the enclosure to be eaten one by one was in any way humane.
Last edited by jaizaine; 05-29-2007 at 10:22 AM.
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