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    Dude, are you capable of posting a thread that isn't fucking stupid, inane, trite, asinine, retarded, vacous, and oriented towards simpletons?

    I know you're only 19, but c'mon. Do you really not have enough sense to understand that you are posting on a site full of strong, independant women. Have you ever even been to a stripclub?

    Why are you posting misogynistic shit like this? The chivarly you speak of never existed. It is fiction and fantasy. Men used to perform "chivalrous" tasks of opening doors for women and taking care of their needs because women were considered helpless, and thus subjegated.

    In many cultures women didn't have a choice who they were to be with. All of the wooing was for show when marriage was but a contract between the families of the betrothed.

    And please state the source of this "scientifically proven fact" that a woman's attraction decreases by 50% once they find out that a man is in fact attracted to them. The truth is, most of us here are very attractive women, and almost all men are attracted to us. Big fucking deal. Not all of them are exactly prizes. Most of you would have been cannon fodder, historically. If a man I am attracted to is also attracted to me, NOTHING drops 50%. In fact, if this is true, we'll probably be fucking pretty soon. Its pretty simple.

    Aside from that, chivalrous love is defined perfectly by Mr. Chris above. This is life, not an insipid romantic comedy. A guy can give as many gifts as he wants. If he doesn't honestly tell the girl his motivations, and demand her honesty in place, he's going to end up being the manbitch who walks her dog when she's out of town. Ouch, but its true.

    GAWD, I fucking hate these types of articles. A loser is a loser, whether in this day or 50 years ago. Quit romanticizing the past!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheEp3 View Post
    It’s an unfortunate trend, to be sure, but an unavoidable one: the chivalrous romantic can write all the love songs and give all the gifts he wants, but outside circumstances aside (in this case, “outside circumstances” means “money”), the chivalrous man will end up with nothing more than his dick in his hands by the end of the day, while the cocky asshole who lifts weights and/or plays guitar chokes the girl of your dreams to death with his penis.
    See, this article just imploded upon itself. Everyone knows that musicians have no money to give. But everyone knows that they tend to be good in bed (sometimes.) And what's up with this drama of choking to death with a penis? Can we be anymore histrionic? Paaaathetic! I have no questions about why the manchild who wrote this has trouble tapping ass.

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    A loser is a loser, whether in this day or 50 years ago. Quit romanticizing the past!
    AMEN!!

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    Chivalry is not dead...some people will never appreciate what they have until it is gone...they have "the grass will always be greener on the other side syndrome"...and they will always be too busy for you. Losers! Sucks for them in the end! But you move on...there's more fish in the sea, I guess.
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    Ok, I just read the original article that Jay quoted. It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The author wasn't taking himself seriously, but I betcha Blacksheep was!

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    Chivalry was invented as a way to provide romantic gestures to your married lady-love who was way out of your league, without getting your ass kicked by the lord she was actually married to.

    The problem with women and romantic gestures these days is that we've become cynical. We know that the vast majority of romantic gestures are done specifically with the intention of landing us in bed--nothing more, nothing less. Either the guy's trying to score for the first time, or he's trying to find that fine line of being only nice enough to convince us to continue putting out.

    How many women in here have had a guy do something nice and thoughtful for you, all sincere and Mr. Romance, then if you didn't sleep with him, did a 180 and acted like a total dick and like you wasted his time and money? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    That's why "chivalry" is dying. You're not fooling anyone, and we would prefer you skip the song and dance and just be honest. On the other hand, if someone actually does something nice for us for the sake of doing something nice, without it being some kind of subliminal quid pro quo agreement, that is something we treasure.

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    Chivalry by definition will always be me. Emotional level of company is not a factor. Date 1 or Date 500, you'll find me opening doors, whisking away, and doing what comes natural to me in the respect of the individual.

    Chivalry, Gallantry, Politeness ...etc these can all be raised in a Gentleman. Can all be instilled in a growing man. But as any woman who has felt the fire of uncontrollable passion would say: "When I look into a mans eyes, I see eyes. But when I look into HIS eyes, I see fire, and I feel fear."

    When you are naturally driven to make her FEEL almost as awe-inspiring, breathtaking, illuminating, and unparalleled as she is to you, and you find yourself in search of the perfect combination of words to use in that perfect location, at that perfect time, just to see the smile on the face for even just mere moments with no expectation or desire for thanks, then that is touching the truth of real acts chivalry.

    Life isn't about anyone but you. Finding faults in others and how they do things to make yourself seem better by process of elimination is ultimately futile and really ignores a real and very fixable problem. I don't know if this guy would be bad in bed, jealous, or just outright insecure, however I do know, that he hasn't meant the right type of woman yet, and that's the FIRST step in the path to the right woman. Tongue and Cheek or not.

    I can't speak for everyone else, but I do know this: When your solitude is still, in her presence, solitude, and your individuality remains unchanged after the influence of her touch, then you will remain chivalrous in her eyes even if your fingers never touch a doorknob

    Some relationships, you just can't manufacture. Those relationships are never in need of words to give value to absent actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post


    And please state the source of this "scientifically proven fact" that a woman's attraction decreases by 50% once they find out that a man is in fact attracted to them. demand her honesty in place, he's going to end up being the manbitch who walks her dog when she's out of town. Ouch, but its true.
    I just love the random quoting of statistics. Just because you put a statistic behind an argument doesnt make it true.

    I agree with you Katrine, in that I fail to see the point to this thread. I also didn't appreciate the advise for anyone under 30 thread. I don't think I need to be taught things like that, much less from him.

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    92.35% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    As Katrine said, the original article (which I didn't really read) varied a bit. For instance, it says "It's a scientifically proven fact*" and then there's a footnote for the * that says *"No, it's not." Which got eliminated in the OP's cut-and-paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    Chivalry, Gallantry, Politeness ...etc these can all be raised in a Gentleman. Can all be instilled in a growing man. But as any woman who has felt the fire of uncontrollable passion would say: "When I look into a mans eyes, I see eyes. But when I look into HIS eyes, I see fire, and I feel fear."

    When you are naturally driven to make her FEEL almost as awe-inspiring, breathtaking, illuminating, and unparalleled as she is to you, and you find yourself in search of the perfect combination of words to use in that perfect location, at that perfect time, just to see the smile on the face for even just mere moments with no expectation or desire for thanks, then that is touching the truth of real acts chivalry.
    Dude, have you been taking writing lessons from The Other Owner? Haha!

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    Just the other night, when I held open the door for this attractive woman at the store, her knees buckled as wave after wave of teeth-clenching, gasping-for-breath, heels-drumming-the-floor g-spot orgasms swept over her like an avalanche. She knew then, just before her eyes glazed over and she went into convulsions of lustful abandon, that I was the epitome of chivalric manhood, the walking definition of the knightly ability to play her body like a finely tuned instrument. But I couldn't let it go at that, not with her clutching my arm in a paroxysm of passionate abandon.

    "Excuse me, madame, you seem to have dropped your purse." I said with a courtly bow.

    Whereupon she shrieked and leaped upon me without a vestige of control, ripping the shirt from my back, writhing and bucking against me as yet another wave of incredible climaxes washed over her, transporting her to depths of passion she never dreamed could exist, until she met such a refined gentleman such as myself. It took six security guards to get her off me.



    Later--just a joke, I couldn't resist. Mr C has the correct attitude, I think, when it comes to chivalry.
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    I love it!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Dude, have you been taking writing lessons from The Other Owner? Haha!
    I should, the guy is my better in the literary arts.

    But alas, no, it's just one way I like to write in these threads that hit me a certain way. I can do it, but I can't touch that man's writing skills

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    Later--just a joke, I couldn't resist. Mr C has the correct attitude, I think, when it comes to chivalry.
    Got to admit, though more pointed than my original post. It was hilarious. Seriously. "swept over her like an avalanche" LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    ^^^ You'll have to get out of Texas then.
    That's a messed up blanket statement about my state right there. Chivalry in Texas is alive and well. Southern hospitality ring any bells. Chit, the name Tejas, was an indian word for friend. I know I don't speak for all of Texas, but being here what I usually see is a ton of people that open doors for others, smile and offer friendly greetings. When we open doors we don't need thanx, because we know what we're doing is right and it's common enough to not bother anybody much that they're not thanked. So having said that about the general public here, it stands to reason without me going on some spiel that the spirit of chivalry here is very much on display.

    I don't know Pooka or anything, but A) She's in college, and B) She works as a stripper. That's not a very good combination if one is looking for chivalry. I don't get the romanticized version of chivalry as it was originally in reference to a code of conduct by which knights lived. However even in the strip clubs big tippers are in a sense chivalrous. Paying compliments is chivalrous even if the girls might get tired of it.

    Pooka, good things come to those who wait and the longer you wait the better it'll be when you find it. So keep your head up and remember patience is a virtue.

    Yek, dunno if you were just joking about what you said, so maybe my post was uncalled for. Just my 2 cents though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datchapin View Post
    ...Chivalry in Texas is alive and well. Southern hospitality ring any bells.

    ...I don't get the romanticized version of chivalry as it was originally in reference to a code of conduct by which knights lived. However even in the strip clubs big tippers are in a sense chivalrous. Paying compliments is chivalrous even if the girls might get tired of it.

    ...Yek, dunno if you were just joking about what you said, so maybe my post was uncalled for. Just my 2 cents though.
    She was joking, she's very funny.

    However, I lived in Texas for 8 years, and though by god that state is huge, I didn't really observe the guys in my area being all that more chivalrous in comparison to the rest of the country, except Daytona Beach. "Chivalrous" is a three syllable word, so the guys in Daytona are of course are entirely ignorant of its meaning, nor do they ever behave in such a fashion, that I recall seeing.

    But neither did many knights, for that matter, especially not while campaigning in neighboring lands, where they were as inclined to rape the peasant women as any other combatants of that period. If you think they all acted like the heroes in Chretien de Troyes, or any other Arthurian Romances, you need to read some real history.

    But forgive me for telling you what you need to do--which really, is nothing, as far as I know, other than continuing to be a gentleman in and out of the clubs.

    The bit about southern hospitality is funny to me, as I lived with an Old School Southern Aristocrat woman for several years who used to go on about that all the time. Except when I wanted to have friends from college in Chicago stay a night or two, when it became "I know they are your friends, but I don't know them, and I feel like they are invading my house."

    But again, I know that there are many people in the south who do practice what they preach...
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    Did everyone forget You Don't Talk Mess About Texas? LOL I love Texans.

    Different regions have different ideas of chivalry, let's not denigrate different parts of America & their respective local cultures...& Yes I stand by my assertion that in today's multi-tasking age, men seem to expect that "acting polite/generous/friendly should result in some sort of feminine favor."

    However, in extreme cases, I've been saved by true male chivalry- I was saved from a kidnapping attempt by 2 men, STRANGERS....And another time I was being harrassed by a couple guys (they called me a "Nacho Eating Bitch" because they first spotted me in a sports pub, eating nachos and a Diet Coke....Soooo clever) & a group of other guys came over to see if I was OK after The Nacho Eating Bitch Romancers had gone away.

    True stories, I kid you not.

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    I most certainly was not joking about Texas. For one thing, Texas isn't Southern, so "Southern hospitality" has nothing whatsoever to do with the state. My own experience with Texas has led me to view it as a wasteland of machismo and misogyny.

    Though Austin's not so bad.

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    Forgive me for presuming to speak for you, Yekhefah.

    I lived in Austin, and loved it. I did notice a certain element amongst the diehard Texans who were way too macho and intolerant for my liking, but they were fortunately very much in the minority in that city. I have no idea how prevalent that type might be in the rest of the state.

    One thing I was amused by was the perception in the minds of some Texans that everyone else from every other state in the Union were 'Yankees'. Like people from Georgia, for instance? Yankees...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post

    Why are you posting misogynistic shit like this? The chivarly you speak of never existed. It is fiction and fantasy. Men used to perform "chivalrous" tasks of opening doors for women and taking care of their needs because women were considered helpless, and thus subjegated.

    In many cultures women didn't have a choice who they were to be with. All of the wooing was for show when marriage was but a contract between the families of the betrothed.
    Excellent points, Katrine. Blacksheep, the "ideals" of chivalry that you're mentioning were not common, everyday occurrences. Rather, they were courtly ideals that we, in the modern world, see in literature, art, fable, etc. And, we tend to highlight the ideal and pretty aspects: the knight treating his lady with honor, defending her against any form of evil. Real life is rarely ever experienced in this manner. Also, many of the old medieval "chivalrous" tales are quite misogynistic. Ever read Roman de la Rose? Women were often reduced to passive archetypes, lacking in substance and will, surrendering all choice and power to the male whim. In modern times we romanticize what remains from the past. There's nothing wrong with treating a woman with honor, respect, etc. However, to rely on fairy tales for inspiration makes for a shaky relationship at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyLove View Post
    If I didn't think Nicolina were so amazing, I'd be allll over you TOO. But... Nicolina gets my panties wet. She's so smart and elegant.
    And overwhelmingly hott, explosively sexual and full of surprises. One of them being her flirtation and experience with threesomes. It's your call.

    The first time I ever heard the expression "threesome" in Russian was in St. Petersburg. I had never learned it or heard it in my life, which is kind of unusual considering how important swearing is to regular conversational Russian -- but my Lithuanian girlfriend at the time was telling me about a dream she had where at the end she and her friend and I got together to "derzhat' triyom." I knew instantly what she meant with no explanation needed.

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    Trahatsa triyom, lol!! The more vulgar the better!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    One thing I was amused by was the perception in the minds of some Texans that everyone else from every other state in the Union were 'Yankees'. Like people from Georgia, for instance? Yankees...
    Y'all need to check yourselves with the Texas talk. I mean, I know you reside in unmockable states like Florida (more responsible than Texas for making Bush president!) and California (Nixon and Reagan!), but, still.

    And Djoser, Texans use the term "Yankee" as the English and Canadians do, to indicate someone from the United States. As you know, Texas is its own county.

    anyhow . . . "chivalry" = "manners." I have noticed more of this from Southern (Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina) fellows than Yankees, but you (of either gender) can get the treatment you deserve from anyone if you ask for it and are willing to train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Just the other night, when I held open the door for this attractive woman at the store, her knees buckled as wave after wave of teeth-clenching, gasping-for-breath, heels-drumming-the-floor g-spot orgasms swept over her like an avalanche. She knew then, just before her eyes glazed over and she went into convulsions of lustful abandon, that I was the epitome of chivalric manhood, the walking definition of the knightly ability to play her body like a finely tuned instrument. But I couldn't let it go at that, not with her clutching my arm in a paroxysm of passionate abandon.
    Hey look, I'm not making this shit up. I can barely describe it accurately using what few memory cells and creative energy I have left at the end of the night. If you doubt this for a second, just read Nicolina's posts about the borderline illegal shit we do all the time or her TR about the last club experience we shared together.

    The trick to parody is not to steal all the same expressions verbatim. "g-spot orgams swept over her," "play her body like a finely tuned instrument," "gasping for breath." It reads exactly what I would post about an actual experience, as I'm sure you know, although I think the idea that she responds this way simply by your holding the door open for her is funny as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Dude, have you been taking writing lessons from The Other Owner? Haha!
    Every once in a while, Mast intercepts one of my carrier waves, since we are all interconnected by this intergalactic force that binds us all. I sent this one out to support him. You are well aware of the blood oath ceremony. If you actually survive it, then a whole new world opens to you.

    Mast has been exceedingly generous with me in the same fashion, but I seem to lack his finesse for humor and self-deprecation. Which is why, at the end of the day, he remains far more popular than I have ever been on this site. Which is perfectly fine with me. It's a brotherhood. We support each other.

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    Jess was glancing over my shoulder as I made one of my very rare trips over to the blue side for a read, when he blurted out, "Guys like this make me look so much better."
    He knows that the guys who treat women with respect end up with women who respect themselves. And that's a big part of why I love him.

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