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    I have a two part question regarding lap dance pricing. There is a club that I go to where dancers charge different rates on the floor. For example, the first time i ever went to the club, one of the ladies explained to me that most girls charge 25 per dance on the floor, the more experienced ones may charge 30-35 and some even in the 40-50 range. First question: I was just wondering if any of you ladies charge more than the norm and if so, does it effect your ability to sell dances?

    My second question is this: How do most of you feel about haggling prices for dances? Is it ok or inappropriate? I've never asked myself, but I've had some that have offered me deals. For example, at a club I used to go to, dances in the VIP room cost 30 dollars per dance, but one dancer offered to give me 2 dances for $50. Again, I've never initiated the haggling of prices, but I was just wondering about all your thoughts about it.

    Thanks for your time!

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    1. Not if the club is set up so that most the girls are charging different prices. Sometimes, even if the club has a set price, during big events girls will charge more and still make money.
    2. As long as YOU as a customer don't initiate the haggling, for you it's fine. HOWEVER, working in a club where there are set prices if most girls don't haggle, the one that does may not last long. We would actually get in big trouble for something like this at work. That girl could be hurting other girls' money.

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    It's insulting to be bargained with over dance prizes, plain and simple.

    Most clubs operate on a set price system.

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    I find some offers more insulting than others. Generally if a guy initiates bargaining, he's not going to make an offer I'll take, and honestly it ticks me off a little that other girls do. I will do 6 for 5 - that is, spend a hundred dollars and I'll do a free dance. (At once - I don't do a punch card like at Starbucks). Also, I've never met a girl who said "That's too low - you're undercutting" for that amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I will do 6 for 5 - that is, spend a hundred dollars and I'll do a free dance. (At once - I don't do a punch card like at Starbucks).
    Though that IS an idea for regulars . . .
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    The bar I've been working lets the girls keep all their lapdance money, and only requires a $10 minimum per dance. A lot of girls charge more. I take it where the moment goes. I have a regular who I charge $10, because he's always good for at least 10 dances. Other guys I quote $20, which is the going rate for a bikini dance at most of the other alcohol clubs in this area; if they hesitate, I'll make them an offer like 3 for $50 or if it's slow, 2 for $25. If it's REALLY slow, I'll just charge the $10 because they're pretty easy to sell at that price and I'd rather look busy doing $10 dances than sit at the bar looking broke. So it all depends on how busy the bar is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I find some offers more insulting than others. Generally if a guy initiates bargaining, he's not going to make an offer I'll take, and honestly it ticks me off a little that other girls do. I will do 6 for 5 - that is, spend a hundred dollars and I'll do a free dance. (At once - I don't do a punch card like at Starbucks). Also, I've never met a girl who said "That's too low - you're undercutting" for that amount.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    Though that IS an idea for regulars . .
    I believe Jenny has a ton of regulars and suspect she has cut them even better deals considering the substantial sums they add to her income stream.

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    You know FBR, I don't appreciate your mockery. It's not my fault if nobody ever wants to get a dance from me twice. I obviously get a little boring after a visit or two, and honestly, I'm a little sensitive about it. I just... I just don't know why you're trying to make me feel all bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    You know FBR, I don't appreciate your mockery. It's not my fault if nobody ever wants to get a dance from me twice. I obviously get a little boring after a visit or two, and honestly, I'm a little sensitive about it. I just... I just don't know why you're trying to make me feel all bad.

    Some people just have a cruel streak, you know?
    My feelings are still hurt. Remember when I begged you to let me be your regular? I know I was a little vague about exactly how much I would contribute, but still, after all this time you have to know I'm one of the more well to do members here.

    And yet you still said "no". And I'm bitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I will do 6 for 5 - that is, spend a hundred dollars and I'll do a free dance. (At once - I don't do a punch card like at Starbucks).
    This is the deal I've gone for. 2, talk a while, 2 talk a while ect.... But this would only be with a girl I really like and can hold her own with conversation and HUMOR.
    I've done this with a few where I ended up going through, like $200, hum, er $300, maybe more in an evening. This makes for a fun evening, easy for the dancer and hopefully fun also.

    I'd understand why you'd want to do all 6 at once, but that won't work for me. It could get, shall we say uncomfortable.

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    I think I told you at the time that I couldn't deal with the sheer embarrassment when you got all "yeah, she's right... she's not all that interesting and she won't even let me lube her up and hump her". It would ruin any SW cred I have built up over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick1 View Post
    This is the deal I've gone for. 2, talk a while, 2 talk a while ect.... But this would only be with a girl I really like and can hold her own with conversation and HUMOR.
    I've done this with a few where I ended up going through, like $200, hum, er $300, maybe more in an evening. This makes for a fun evening, easy for the dancer and hopefully fun also.

    I'd understand why you'd want to do all 6 at once, but that won't work for me. It could get, shall we say uncomfortable.

    Rick
    Yeah, I would get more and more irritated with that system because I wouldn't think you were paying me enough. Especially considering that I have to spend time chatting you up beforehand. I MIGHT feel comfortable doing a dance 2, talk 1, dance 2, talk 1; but really, I think I've chatted you up, I've been charming, I've made the sale, I've provided the product - wanting more free time in between is just looking for freebies. And you definitely don't get a "deal" under those circumstance - I mean, if you are insisting on more free songs than paid songs, and you want like ADDITIONAL free songs on top of that? Crazy.

    You may be really interesting and charming - some customers are. But ultimately I'm there to make money, and I have to be... more charming than you. You know? Like I'm ENTERTAINING you - you are not entertaining me. It's still work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Yeah, I would get more and more irritated with that system because I wouldn't think you were paying me enough. Especially considering that I have to spend time chatting you up beforehand. I MIGHT feel comfortable doing a dance 2, talk 1, dance 2, talk 1; but really, I think I've chatted you up, I've been charming, I've made the sale, I've provided the product - wanting more free time in between is just looking for freebies. And you definitely don't get a "deal" under those circumstance - I mean, if you are insisting on more free songs than paid songs, and you want like ADDITIONAL free songs on top of that? Crazy.

    You may be really interesting and charming - some customers are. But ultimately I'm there to make money, and I have to be... more charming than you. You know? Like I'm ENTERTAINING you - you are not entertaining me. It's still work.

    Jenny,

    I fully understand, you're there to make money and time is money. Most girls have costs to cover, families to feed ect... and I don't take advantage of that. You are running your own business as I do.

    The club I go to about 3 or 4 times a year, the girls there are very happy when they have a $300 day and more so if it's $400. On top of that they don't have to hustle with me. I would think this would make me somewhat of a premium customer. In a bigger club this probably wouldn't fly.

    I also do not need a girl to sit with me, she can stay at the bar drinking her water with her attitude and I'll just leave. Example; I was in the club on a slow evening with a dancer I know and dropped plenty on her. The next night it was really busy, she thought I'd spend the same (I felt the pressure) and she'd have this huge night. I left after two dances (and she knows what I usually spend). The next night I didn't go in. Then the last night before heading for home I spent a little time with her. She questioned me about leaving, and how slow it got and not seeing me the next day. I just commented I could see she was busy and thought I'd give her more space. At this point she was for sure down $600 from me. That was a year ago and has not happened since and if it did I wouldn't see her again.

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    Our club has a set dance price...$10. I don't ever charge more, it's against the rules and would most likely lead the guy to believe he'll get more contact (we already give a lot IMO). As for the haggling, if you can't handle $10 bucks a song...I'll just walk away.

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    Rick - a lot of customers don't really understand this, but it DOESN'T make you a premium customer. It makes you high maintenance and low to mediocre payout. That is the opposite of a premium customer. That is a customer that some girls have to humour for when you are having a really slow week. That is a customer for whom you roll your eyes and say "dude fucking wants to talk my ear off for an hour before getting two dances." A premium customer is the opposite. Someone who is low maintenance - that is doesn't demand hours of time in exchange for a couple of dances, and a high payout. An average customer is (and this might seem intuitive) average maintenance for average payout.
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    I think Rick is looking at the total dollars spent. $300 is a respectable amount to spend during a trip to the club. Even for a lengthy visit as long as he isn't trying to tie up one dancer for 5-6 hours for that amount. $300 focused on one dancer for a couple of hours or that same amount spread out among number of dancers for quick LD's and tips seems reasonable to me.

    Since we are passing judgment a clarification of the dance intermission would be helpful. The "talk a while" is pretty vague and subjective. But I suppose one could assume that if the dancers sit through that lull, it can't be all that long.

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    my club has set dance prices. in fact, all of the clubs i've worked at have had set dance prices. girls are fired for charging more or less than that price. i think the reason is because there's so many clubs in my city. so.. clubs try to keep their dance prices competative or on par with other clubs in the area. that's my best guess. occasionaly guys try to "haggle" our prices, but (esp. because they are set) it comes across as cheap and rude. i just explain to them that no dancer is allowed to charge more or less than any other.

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    FBR - I'm not proud. I think $100 is very adequate to spend on me. Hell, I will happily do one dance and say thank you for the $20. The issue is not what he wants to spend, but what he expects in exchange. I thought there was a sort of clear implication that the talking was taking up more time than the dancing (there are all sorts of reasons related to the construction of the sentence that gave me that impression that I'll spare you).
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    Rick's "talk a while" can be interpreted as a couple of minutes or a couple of hours so that was why I focused on something tangible such as his claim of a dollar amount spent. Said amount, in my mind, doesn't qualify him as a time waster. Looking purely at the dollars. Deconstructing his posts further might sway opinions but I'm not good at deconstruction so I'm forced to based my opinions on the the superficial.

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    Is what Rick saying that " Hey here is 300 bucks , the amount you mite make in a nite, spend some time here and you've got your nite's pay" ... Seems that what he is saying and that doesnt sound so bad.

    Now I have a freind who I go to SCs with from time to time. He always negotiates everything. ANd he always succeeds. Gets dancers numbers and what have you. He has the midas touch ..

    Me I never negotiate. I feel awkward doing it and have never really tried. Jenny's 6 for 5 sounds great. My questions to Jenny is: Does a customer have to negotiate to get that freebie that or do u just do the sixth and say "no charge... bud". Now I have had a dancer give me a free dance but that was thru a freindly wager and I won. I also spent a ton of money on her - so it more in line w/ Jenny's M.O. - if I may call it that.

    What i dont like tho - to put the shoe on the other foot - is when a dancer charges more than all the others. Happened to me in Myrtle. All nite it had been 25/dance and I took a dancer to the couch room and she says 30. I said no thank you. I figure these days most clubs set the prices. So thats stuff burns me up a little.

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    I go to this small club when I'm out of town 3 or 4 times each year on business. This is how I may spend my evenings if the right dancer comes along. These girls are happy to make this kind of money for the time spent. Many times I've had to mention to the girl she better give me a couple of dances or she's not going to make any money (I would tip her for time anyway, but the dances can be fun). This is usually with a talk-a-tive dancer. When the daily budget (or maybe a little more) is gone, I've gone to leave, to have the dancer take me to a booth and say I'm staying until she has to leave in an hour or so. I clarfy the money issue, she says she's fine, then I see her the next evening. This is when it's really nice, & I believe for us both.

    As I said before, I'm sure this would not work in a busy club (or with Jenny). But that's fine, I hate big clubs.

    Here's something else that has happened. After the 2nd. night (I'm usually there 4 nights) & we've gotten to know each other pretty well, I've been approached that we do all the same that has happened in the club in my hotel room. This saves me money on all the drinks and she does not have to pay her tip out ($50 to $70). What's the difference if I'm taking care of her financially there or privately?
    I then tell her I'll do it better, I own a condo there and she can just come over and we'll have dinner delivered in. She's done some dances, we've done some real dancing and had dinner. We did not keep track of the dances, I just stick the money in her pocket when she leaves. A wonderful evening was had.

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    Okay...

    Well, if what you're saying is that you like to underpay dancers so you seek out dancers who are used to being underpaid... okay. I obviously don't think it is a good decision on her part or yours. I'm a believer in you get what you pay for and I don't think it's a good idea to give customers entitlement issues. Further, I wouldn't sell my evening for what I would normally make. Why would I? It's what I would normally make anyway. I would expect a lost opportunity fee. (Note - this is before my downward spiral. Now I would probably sell my evening for a pack of gum).

    As for the rest - I'm unsure - maybe FBR or JZ could chime in - but I think we like to avoid discussion of incall on this side. It gets the dancers all riled and pouncy-like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Okay...

    Well, if what you're saying is that you like to underpay dancers so you seek out dancers who are used to being underpaid... okay. I obviously don't think it is a good decision on her part or yours. I'm a believer in you get what you pay for and I don't think it's a good idea to give customers entitlement issues. Further, I wouldn't sell my evening for what I would normally make. Why would I? It's what I would normally make anyway. I would expect a lost opportunity fee. (Note - this is before my downward spiral. Now I would probably sell my evening for a pack of gum).

    As for the rest - I'm unsure - maybe FBR or JZ could chime in - but I think we like to avoid discussion of incall on this side. It gets the dancers all riled and pouncy-like.
    Hum, I guess I should not have the nice evening & save the money. I do know when I come in, they make a much better income, they happen to love the fact they don't have to go from man, to man, to man. We have fun, I buy the drinks, I'm sorry I just don't see the downside for the dancer.

    As far as a private dance at my place, let's be perfectly straight, this is not about incall sex. It's a private party for one. That's it & the dancer comes out ahead financially.

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    This discussion is a business transaction between two people. As long as both agree on the amount paid for the particular service. I see no issue with it. That is free market economics in action.

    Not all clubs have the same income potential. Rick spending a few hundred in a night in some small out of the way club may be viewed as the jackpot by dancers in that club.

    As far as it being a good idea or bad idea for both parties. Well, if they both walk away satisfied with the deal, then how could it be bad?

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    Damn these free market ideas coming back to bite me in the ass!

    But - couple of points. For $300 to be a "jackpot" for the night, the club would have to suck pretty bad. I've worked in clubs big and small - this is not limited perspective. And it isn't like a pure free market. Dancers aren't, for example, meant to be free to underbid their colleagues. And I stand by my comment that it gives customers entitlement issues. (I had a customer on the last night I worked summon me over, put his arm around me, chat me up for like 15 minutes and then inform me that he had already seen an escort that night, and so was "way past dances." When I asked him what I was doing there, then, he informed me that I was "planting seeds for the future" because sometimes he buys lots of dances. Entitlement issues.)
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