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    Ok. Im still working on resolving my stripper issues, I just go day by day. Soem days are good, some are bad. Today was bad. Whatever, it'll happen. I am on the uprise, it's getting betetr all the time.
    However.
    Even on my good days I'm not making crap.
    Last week I posted about how I was on the ball, worked hard, got VIP's, I did good. What I concider good right now is anythign above house, since I find it impressive Im even able to be there and talk to people, and make something. I figured with time, the money woudl come. I just needed to get back into it. Im getting tired of waiting tho. Something is wrong.
    I'm averaging 200-300 a night.For me personally, it's crap. I wouldn't normally post about my earnings, but I feel it's relevant for this. I wasn't going to say anything, cause it's embarassing for me, but i need help.
    I can't figure out where the problem is? I work harder now than I used to. Yet I make less money? I've worked longer shifts, talked to more customers than I ever have before, but I'm not making nearly as much as I used to.
    My strength has always been selling VIP rooms. I was never good at talking to a million guys a night and banking off lapdances. My average lapdances a night probably is under 10.
    I am good at finding a guy or 2 in thoes 10 lapdances who will take me to vip and stay there. I alwyas make my money off 1 or 2 good guys.

    I'm still getting VIP's, actually, I have gotten 2 a night, but they are only $100 rooms. Plus a few random lapdances. Usually, I can either get a few more VIP's or longer than $100 rooms.

    So where am I going wrong? I can't figure it out, or what skill I misplaced. Im workign harder, Im working longer, yet making less. Im either unable to find that 1 or 2 guys, or Im unable to get all their money like I used to. Im not sure which of thoes 2 it is.
    So what's the answer? Try harder? Ask more guys?
    But Im not good at talking to many many guys in one night. I suck at that. Alwyas have. I feel as if Ive acomplished somethign great if I managed to talk to 15 a night.
    Is it the fact that my hair is ugly, or the fact that Ive gained weight?
    Or is it that I feel ugly cause of the weight and hair, so I am projecting my lack of confidance?Cause there are far less attractive girls than me makign mroe than me. Or is that just cause they the ones putting out? Im really not sure anymore. I used to be so naive to think no one did extra's, but maybe they are really everywhere.

    Can you guys help me? Maybe an outside perspective can see something that I can't, with where Im going wrong lately. Did I forget somethign vital abotu hustling when I took my break/had the meltdown thingy?

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    hmmm...

    Maybe its because after being on SW, and reading about how not to waste time, dont spend more than a few songs with a guy, keep moving....
    Maybe that's my downfall. Where I thought I was begin a better stripper that way....it actually fucked up my own personal hustle. Now, if a guy dont buy a dance in a song, Im out. On to the next. Before...I would possibly spend quite a while with him, if I thought there was a possibility of money for me. And usually, I was right. Thoes guys who say, well, let me get to know you first, before I woudl sit and talk to them for a bit. Maybe a half hour. And then Id move it to VIP. Now..if they say that, I say, sure, but you still gotta pay for my time.( not in thoes exact words, but that's what I mean)
    Maybe I'm fuckign up money later for money now?

    I'm just thinking out loud here....
    Maybe since getting back, Im to focued on the hustle, on being a stripper and makign the cash, and I should be more focused on having fun, cause I have to admit, my job is not fun anymore. I may be doign ok being back, but I still hate it. Maybe its caused Im to focused on the money. But how can I convince myself to talk to guys for fun? They arent fun. They either bore the shit out of me, or make me feel ill. Money is the only motivator.

    hmmm....

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    Maybe you're right with your second post. Maybe you need to do it your way. What works for some may not work for others, and vice versa.

    You could very well be projecting insecurity as well.

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    • Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
      Now..if they say that, I say, sure, but you still gotta pay for my time.( not in thoes exact words, but that's what I mean)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    Maybe I'm fuckign up money later for money now?
    Don't use that line anymore. I disagree with using it as a good hustle. Sometimes you will get paid for time, but for the most part it will trigger an instant buzzkill and ROBwatch with the guy. If a guy is into paying a girl to sit and chat, he'll let you know somehow. But most guys want to build a bit of rapport and chemistry. Try hanging out for 2 songs.

    Now, if the guy becomes absolutely pissed and indignant that you asked him to pay for your time, then he was probably hell bent on wasting it in the first place, so you havn't lost out too much.

    If the conversation is comfortable, you should be able to roll it out into 2 songs, THEN make your mark. Or, if you are getting good vibes, roll it to 3. Sometimes its worth a little investment.

    I also tried that lighting hustle before. Due to the nature of clubs these days, it only works well on busy nights, and often for groups of guys celebrating. For singles or duos, you need to make them want YOU specifically.

    Does this spoil the guys? Probably, but if your main motivation is money, and not reinventing the wheel, then do what it takes to make that money. Spending an extra 10 minutes marketing yourself may payoff later. Its still a gamble, good luck!

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    agree with Katrine. also, i thnk you are correct in what you are projecting. if you are concentrating too hard and not having fun, custies wont wanna spend time with you. i think sometimes the desperation scent, for lack of a better word, comes thru. by that i mean, if you are concentrating too hard on money, it is projected.

    def dont ask for your time to be compensated. that doesnt sound like it's helping. id definitely increase the amount of guys you talk to. the more you talk to, the more potential you'll have to make money. and a half hour with someone! omg wayyyyy too long. 10 minutes tops if it's slow. i have the 2 minute rule when it's busy, aka one song. set a goal for yourself, sell 20 lap dances instead of ten. and in each of them, mention VIP. try to upsell, say (and i swear this works for me at least 2x each day i work) "i think we'd be having more fun in VIP. let's just go back there instead." *pause* "tell you waht, if we go back there now, i wont charge you for this dance. *smile* call it a test drive.. hehehe." they might pause and think it over, but overall, eating the dance money to make vip money is well worth it Kaylinn. it works!

    Love it!

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    Lol!!! See??? Honey- we live in vegas and its summertime!!! More girls than ever. Do you notice how 90% of the custies have a dancer sitting with them at any given time? That means that most of them have already been approached several times. And then girls like you and me have to compete against the girls who promise more.

    I say make sure you work as much as possible Thursday-Saturday. (The clubs are so flooded with girls- its been like pulling teeth sometimes during the week.)

    And just keep being your wonderful self... karma comes back to you! That's all you can do, right?

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    And btw- I wouldn't necessarily try to increase my odds by talking to more guys- at least not here. Its not worth burning yourself out. Just try to make the most out of every guy you talk to.

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    Sorry I know I'm not an entertainer and shouldn't post.

    But as a custy, I even see Vegas SCs turning too much into a regular club like those in the hotels. The lines have blurred.

    I'll tell you this much. I was sitting down towards the back and my ATF went to the stage to talk to her friend. At least 10-guys turned their heads to check her out, but not one of them tried to stop her and get a dance on a round-trip. It was mostly young guys with a beer in-hand.

    Kaylinn: It's not you. It's just the way things have become.

    Just my 2 cents and I apologize for interrupting.

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    It sounds to me like you're psyching yourself out and overthinking it!
    Money, hair, weight, stress, what guy is spending and how do I get that VIP. When you're worried about things, especially the money, it's harder.

    I don't know if I can be very helpful, my club is much different than yours and a lot of the problems you're having aren't things I would have to deal with or maybe would deal with differently.

    I do agree with the fact that you need to follow your gut, if you think you should stay a song or two more, do it. If you think waiting to try and get the guy into VIP is worth it, do it. Normally, if I think I might get a guy in VIP, I do it straight away, that way they know I'm not going to hang around for free "Let's go grab a booth" (I try to avoid using the actual term 'VIP' because it flips the 'oh shit' switch) "Why don't we hang out were I can molest you?" etc, etc... The problem is that customers are different at different clubs. I don't know how the hustle is at yours and I'm sure there are things I'd have to tweak to work where you are. That's why it's important to take the advice that helps and discard what doesn't work for you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    I'm just thinking out loud here....
    Maybe since getting back, Im to focued on the hustle, on being a stripper and makign the cash, and I should be more focused on having fun, cause I have to admit, my job is not fun anymore. I may be doign ok being back, but I still hate it. Maybe its caused Im to focused on the money. But how can I convince myself to talk to guys for fun? They arent fun. They either bore the shit out of me, or make me feel ill. Money is the only motivator.

    hmmm....
    This is the point where a lot of girls leave the business or do something different to change it up and have that fun they're not having! What do you like about the job? Maybe trying to emphasize the things you enjoy and focus less on the work would help! Are there still things you like about going into work?

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    Thanks guys.....

    Tonight Im gonna try to remember what I used to do....
    SW kind of hurt me, not helped me, in terms of hustling. I started overthinking everything.....Tried to get a "hustle"
    When before, when I didnt think about a hustle, I just did what I knwo how to do, and it worked. I just acted like myself.....it's strange, I didnt get better at stripping as I got more experienced, I got worse! I just started overthinking everything. And I lost my entire party mode. Im justy not into the party scene like I used to be. When I use to long for a club and club music, and drinking, and having fun....now I just want to stay hoem in the quiet, LOL. I feel like an old lady!

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    I feel for you! All I can say is do what works for you, unfortunately with this industry there is no exact formula for success.

    I have worked all over and I found you have to adjust your hustle anywhere you go. Vegas is very different and very hard compared to other places, although I feel the earning potential still blows any other place I've worked out of the water.

    I try to have fun every night I work and be genuine. Of course, this is easier for me , cuz I only work 10 days a month (which is why I have become one of those strippers that comes in at 7pm and doesn't leave till 5am!), where before I used to only work four shifts a week!

    I try to stay constantly busy either doing lap dances or VIPS, of course I am always trying to up sell to VIP. Set financial goals and reward yourself...be patient you're worth it!

    Don't over analyze and just keep at it you'll get your mojo back!

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    I've been having shit (for Vegas) nights the last few times I've worked, too. I'm just chalking it up to the summertime season out here.


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    Well, Just an update.

    I tried last night to do what I used to.
    First guy I sat with, I didnt ask for a dance after a song or to. I sat and I talked, for maybe 15 minutes or a half hour.
    We went to VIP for a half hour.

    Second guy I walked to, went to vip for 1 hour, plus $100 tip.
    Neither guy I danced for first on the floor.

    Third guy I talked to yanked my thong down during a dance, so I slapped him and told him there was a $100 asshole surcharge. He apologized, payed up and left. ( so he wasn't thrown out)

    That's it. 3 guys. ( 2 that count)
    I talked to 3 guys the entrie night, and made more than I have since I started working again.

    It just goes to show, that different things work for differnt girls. The advice everyone repeats on here to not spend more than 1or 2 songs with a guy and ask for a dance isn't alwyas the best way to go, at least not for me.
    Spending a longer amount of time, and asking for the VIP works better for me.
    I can judge in about 5 minutes if they'll go or not, and spend the rest of the time makign them want me. When I ask, they can't say no. When I ask them to extend the VIP, they cant say no, until their money runs dry.
    That's how I work best.
    If I get the feelign they'll say no to VIP, I just ask if they want a dance, and move on.

    BUt yeah...I just wanted to give you guys an update. It worked! I made money.
    I worked for exactly 4 hours, and made a lot of money.
    So YAY!!
    I figured out what was broke and I fixed it. I'm almost looking foward to going in tonight.

    Oh and on a side note, just something interesting...
    I saw the computer at the Rhino tonight. At 7am there was 332 dancers logged in.
    WOW.
    Last edited by Kaylinn; 06-03-2007 at 11:46 AM.

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    332!!! omfg. thats tough competition. well, i think you've declared the correct thing, is do for you what works and feels comfortable for YOU.

    Love it!

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    Good for you!!! Don't let that mojo get away!!

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    LMAO 332 must have been a slow night for the Rhino.

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    We should all go to work together one night! I bet we could seriously bank if we did some SW team work! Just a thought, just a thought.....
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