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    We have been playing songs no longer than three minutes in my club, unless it gets packed in the private dance room in which case they get cut shorter and shorter, up to 2 1/2, or even less when the other DJ is working. This gets the guys up into the Champagne room quite effectively.

    But now the other DJ has supposedly been playing shorter songs even on slower nights, leading to a new wave of bitching at me from the dancers for playing longer songs, when I'm sticking to the three minute rule.

    I have the greatest respect and admiration for the other DJ (who has got to be the hardest working male I have ever met or heard of in this business), but I'm not sure I want to follow suite, for a couple of reasons.

    One being the time it takes to think of and set up the perfect song for the next dancer--I have always been very dedicated to doing this, and three minutes is an amazingly short period of time, especially with all the other things going on simultaneously in a club like mine. There is little or no room for creativity under these circumstances, especially with the language barrier making communication about music difficult already.

    The other reason being that I feel the customers, most of whom are going to figure out that the songs are being cut (especially if you are playing a lot of top 40 stuff), are going to feel like they aren't getting their money's worth.

    The dancers at my club swear up and down that they always make more money when songs are cut, with no downward limit to the process, but I think there might be a diminishing return, especially if it's slower that night. Obviously if there's a line waiting to get into the private dance room, the songs need to be cut.

    But I have heard them say a zillion times that if the song is longer, the guy will only get one dance. This is like Holy Law to them. I'm inclined to believe this is just not true. IMO, if the guy is enjoying himself, and feels like he is getting his money's worth, he's going to get more dances. I haven't bothered to bring this up because it wouldn't go over well, partly because the language barrier is a big problem here, and partly because I just don't want to argue with them about it.

    But I have overheard customers bitching about it while on the floor a couple times.

    I know the biggest and most successful club in Daytona, which is even more of a factory than my club, and the DJs do little else besides rattle off lists of names, cuts their songs at around 2 minutes when it is busy.

    How short does your club cut the songs? How do you feel about this? Obviously if you are dealing with an asshole, you want it to be over as quickly as possible, lol--but I am not referring to this type of situation.
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    Since im pretty sure im working at the "factory"(LOL) club in daytona...seems to cut them under 2 mins all the time..i swear its true about making more money when the songs are super short though. its like the guys arent satisified yet so they get more dances. The other club im at, stays at 3 mins. and up a song.

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    Our club cuts songs to 3, 3 1/2 mins and it works. Unfortunately they dont cut them shorter when theres a line to get into a couch room, in fact one nightime dj seems to not cut them hardly at all. I've watched girls on his shift dance for 4 1/2 min songs without being cut. That gets annoying if theres nothing going on. As for guys getting their moneys worth, I have to agree with Djoser here to an extent. If its too short the guys feel jipped, if its too long they wont buy another. On occasion when you get a long song during a dance the guy will buy more, thinking all songs will be that long. Overall, I still say the 3- 3 1/2 min timeframe is best overall. Besides, one problem with cutting the songs too short, especially on a slow night, if your on stage every 15 minutes because theres no girls and sets are so short, how can you make money getting dances?

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    We usually do 3-4 min songs (I know WTF? this is a strip club, lol) I'm not keen on it when I have to do three song sets or two and two but it hasn't hurt my money! I don't think that songs should be shorter than 2 1/2 min for sure, that's ridiculous!

    I'm just glad I don't have to hear the constant BS about short songs!

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    I'm all for keeping things honest and playing the songs out. Then again, I always appreciated anything that kept me rooted in some kind of consistent, ethical normalcy while in a strip club. Actually, just shorten that to "consistency." If the songs were two minutes one night and three and a half the next, I'd go nuts.
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    How much is he cutting the songs? Some DJ's at my club cut the songs (supposed to be 2:30 or something) more or less than others and I hear girls bitch about it in the back. Honestly, I don't think a customer is going to get any less songs just because they're 30 seconds longer.

    Customers, on the other hand, bitch about the song length no matter what.
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    I think 3 minutes is short enough. I def. don't want any longer, but come on - a two minute song? It's just kind of a rip off and I believe bad for overall business and customer confidence in the strip club.

    Of course my club never gets completely slammed like I'm sure yours does, but I don't know, it just doesn't feel right.
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    California clubs (IMO) follow the 3 minute rule, whereas Midwestern clubs try the long 2 songs or short 3 songs together to pad out rotations and let girls gets those dances alltogether before they go onstage again (less girls on shift.)

    I prefer longer songs but I do understand how the short song rule works for the Biz. Eh, it's the way it is...

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    At my last two clubs, there was very little song cutting at all. Customers complained if they were getting dances and the songs were noticeably cut. I personally don't care. I make more money if I stay on stage longer.
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    I think 3 minute songs are perfect. 2 1/2 minutes IS too short, but there's more time for more dances if they are all cut to 3 min!!! Plus, consistency. And its not cool when custies hold out for longer songs because they know one is going to be shorter than the next one you might play.

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    Having the same dilema myself once, my answer was to frick with the pitch controls until a 2:09 Ramones song seemed like the length of "Stairway" and alternatively making todays artists sound like the "Chipmunks" on speed has improved my opinion of alot of today's top 40 selections!! In lieu of this you can always mix peyote buttons in with the limes at the bar which will produce much the same effect!! (I recommend playing "The Time Warp" from Rocky Horror during "peak" hours to really make the the custy's and dancers realize that "time meant nothing, never would again."

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    I only WISH my club had enough thought (or even the Thur, Fri, Sat DJ) to cut the songs and make them a standard length ... as well as making it obvious that the song has ended and so forth. I only WISH!

    Ultimately, 3 minute long songs are not that long and that is a good "rule of thumb" to employ.......................unless, like you said, it is super busy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster470 View Post
    From a customer's perspective, if the songs seem short i'll use my stopwatch to time it, and if the song is less than 3.5 minutes I won't get any dances.
    Do you really bring a stopwatch when you go to a strip club?

    And what if the time is 3:29? Does that put a halt to the festivities or do you let it slide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster470 View Post
    From a customer's perspective, if the songs seem short i'll use my stopwatch to time it, and if the song is less than 3.5 minutes I won't get any dances. I usually get 4-5 dances at a time so I think it's better for business if the songs are a little longer. Customers who aren't drunk already will figure out what's going on and avoid dances altogether.
    With all due respect, I'm not really interested in the customers' perspective here. I already know they want longer songs, naturally enough--and especially that they would rather not have less than 3 minutes, busy club or not.

    Don't think me callous or avarice-ridden, obviously I am thinking of the customers to a large extent, or I wouldn't be posting this. And it must be said that your reply shows considerably more restraint and intelligence than the typical (inappropriate) customer reply in an industry members' area of the forum, which is what this is supposed to be. It is of course out of place, though.

    I find it especially amusing that someone would bring a stopwatch to a stripclub, though...

    I would like to thank all of the industry members who have replied, it has been very helpful.
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    it depends on which dj is working, but our best (at least my favorite) dj cuts the songs at 3:00 min normally and at 2:00 for 2 for 1's. the other dj's tend to not pay pay much attention a lot of the time.

    honestly, when i'm on stage i prefer a longer song, maybe 3:30 to 4 minutes. but since it's got to be one or the other i'll take the shorter songs; losing a few seconds on stage is well worth increasing the number of dances i can potentially sell a night and reducing the amount of time i have to spend with a guy in order to take his money.

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    Djoser. Are these girls carrying stopwatches? Just tell them you're doing what they want.

    I would go with consistency tho. If the song length is varying noticably the customers will start noticing...



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    Yeah... I don't think customers will stop getting dances en masse. They might be pissed off about it... but they aren't pissed off at me, or if they are I can easily redirect it (Dude, it's not my fault, I didn't pick the songs. The DJ is retarded, I can't help that. I promise I'll undertip him until he sorts it out... yeah, I did all last week. He's not catching on. Moron. I'm going to have to write a letter or something). The managers and DJs don't really have to deal with the customers being pissed off... so really who cares if the customer thinks he should have gotten an extra 30 seconds of grind time? I don't mean to sound callous - I do care about giving the customers a good time and I want them to feel they've had value, but it doesn't matter how long the song is - at the end they always say "That was so short." They'd say "that was short" after Stairway to Fucking Heaven.

    That said, on a sheer level of normal ethics - 2 minutes seems pretty short to me, but in my club they cut them to 3.5 minutes. Every song, all day and night is 3.5 minutes. (If a customer got out a stopwatch - well, I would laugh my ass off and mock the hell out of him on stripperweb when I got home). I think, though it also depends on local norms. I worked in a club with where they timed the set, but not the songs - so you could have 4, 5, or 6 songs in your set and customers didn't seem to get a say nor did they seem to care.

    Honestly, I think the best way to work dances is on a timer system independent of songs.
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    I think as long as the songs are all the smae length(reasonably...I do NOT carry a stopwatch) and not extremely short or long..it;'s fine. Somewhere around 2.5-3 minutes. Since radio edit songs play at about 3 minutes...thats acceptable. Super short will piss of the custies...and super long will piss off the dancer(theres nothing worse then dancing on stage for no tippers or in the back for a handsy pain in your ass and the DJ is playing the full version of Stairway so he can chit-chat to his friends...yeah..had that happen..didnt tip him for a WHILE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    ...but it doesn't matter how long the song is - at the end they always say "That was so short." They'd say "that was short" after Stairway to Fucking Heaven.
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    Djoser. Are these girls carrying stopwatches? Just tell them you're doing what they want.
    And so is this, lol!

    The way they act, you'd think they were carrying stopwatches, lol! They really do notice even an average 15 seconds difference, trust me. They are all about really short songs in this club, it's their overriding concern, unless you play the wrong type of song because you are freaking out because you are out of time, or there was some sort of problem (there always is it seems sometimes).

    A customer has a request? Can't figure out where Angel is and she's supposed to be onstage? The manager has a question? You dropped something on the floor and the lighting in the booth sucks? Binky wants you to find some obscure song for her for her next set? Boom, your 2 1/2 minutes is long gone, and you're fucked, lol!

    But enough bitching...

    Last night went very well, they were even saying so. The new music program I got really helps, it was well worth the money. But last night was busy. What I will do about the problem when it's slow, I'm not sure yet. I really don't want to play 2 1/2 minute songs if it's slow.


    The other thing I notice that I don't like about it is that with 2 1/2 minute songs, you are doing a lot more talking. 20% more talking doesn't sound like all that much, but it is, or 40% more if you are used to 3 1/2 minute songs. Now I know why they merely rattle off lists of names in the factory clubs sometimes, lol! But the owners and managers want you to talk a lot, that is very important, much as I hate it when I go into a club myself. You really have to be on it, and make fewer words count, I think.


    Again, I really, really appreciate the input here, people!
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    Our DJs, both of them, are notorious for overplaying songs. Our club rule is 3 minutes, and supposed to be shorter during features, but they are not, by any stretch of the imagination, anywhere close to 3 minutes.

    When we are slow and there's no girl on stage, you're lucky if the DJ is in the booth. Songs are played to full length. When girls are on stage and the DJ is busy texting his girlfriend or talking the next girl's ear off, songs are played to full length. I've walked off stage because of it. We make little to no money on stage. My favorite thing to do is to select two songs which I know are exactly 3 minutes or shorter, then there is a 5 second silence while the DJ freaks and runs to the microphone.

    It's my belief that guys will buy more dances if there's a balance between not feeling ripped off but still wanting more. On the other hand, if the song is only 2:15, you can just mumble some excuse about the DJ and if he wants another one, he'll buy it.

    The shorter the songs, the more songs there are in a night, and the more money you can potentially make. Our club does not realize the simple economics of that, and it drives me nuts.

    In whatever program you use, can you list songs by length? Maybe you can have a list of songs which actually last around 2:30, that way guys will realize the song was over.

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    From my experience the girls at your club are pretty much right - shorter songs = more money in their pockets. I know you struggle with the desire to use your creativity at work and pick perfect songs for the next girl, etc, but I think you should just find another outlet for the creativity and give in to the lapdance factory setup at work. You might win over some girls to a limited degree with your professionalism, but at the end of the day, what they really want is more money (which means they just want you to cut the damn songs). Cut the songs and they'll love you; it really is that simple.

    We have a DJ at my club who always tries to be really professional, but he always plays the songs too damn long. We girls KNOW we make less money when we work with him, so we hate him for it. We bitch and bitch, but he won't budge. We just hate him even more, and we tip him less. Then there's the other guy - a high strung pain in the ass but always cuts the songs. Guess what. The girls all love him because we know we can count on making more money when he's around, AND WE ALL TIP HIM MORE. I can literally track my money between shifts with one DJ and the other, and there IS a difference.

    Most the girls don't give much of a shit what you play for them onstage in these clubs because that is NOT where they make their money. You just play them something acceptable, cut the songs, and they'll be HAPPY.

    And yes, I can damn well tell when the 3 minutes are up and the song should be changing. I can FEEL it. So can the other girls who work in clubs like this. We get used to what a 3 minute song feels like, what our lap/stage routine is, and when the time runs over, we start asking "when is he going to change the fucking song?!?!?!"

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    Haha, you are on it again!

    When I first got there I was going over three minutes and they were all bitching like hell. I wasn't used to the limit, and was actually used to playing longer songs out of necessity, since it was so hard to get the dancers onstage at my last club (the circus). Plus the language barrier and location of the booth meant they wouldn't tell me what they wanted, I had to guess. Naturally if I guessed wrong the language barrier didn't stop them from complaining, lol...

    What's funny though is that it was usually the ones who were really picky about music who did the most bitching, lol! Then I got it down to three minutes, or less when it was busy--unless I was trying to find a special song or there was a problem, but that happened a lot.

    Then it got a little worse again as I started trying to find new music (it was getting stagnant playing the same shit every time), and dealing with the decreasing efficiency of my shitty DJ program, as well as some of the worst equipment I have ever worked with. Nothing is more frustrating than getting the CD in there just in time and then it won't fucking play! This happens regularly with new CDs, even. The search/fast forward dial is also fucked on these players, it's really slow then the song has jumped to 4 minutes in! For some reason the Promo Only CDs the other DJ uses work 95% of the time, so they all think I'm bullshitting when I say a new CD won't play.

    Well, so what, this new program is rapidly easing all my problems, 3 minute songs are not hard to manage, unless something goes wrong other than music (which happens far more than you'd think, trust me!). Right, so quit your bitching, Djoser, lol!

    But then they started complaining that 3 minutes was too long even on slow nights, which is what prompted me to ask for guidance (and again I thank you).

    I think the answer is to stick pretty much with 3 minutes when it's slower, maybe a bit less (especially when the fussy ones are onstage), regardless of the complaints.

    But you are correct about tossing the creativity if necessary, B, not with all this cash to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina6 View Post

    In whatever program you use, can you list songs by length? Maybe you can have a list of songs which actually last around 2:30, that way guys will realize the song was over.
    That's a great idea, too...
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    Oh yeah, regarding customers complaints - it's mostly a tourist trap club. The customers are going to buy dances there regardless of song length. I think I'd make them all about 2:50 on slow nights, 2:30 on busy nights with a line to get into the laproom. There may be one guy in there with a stopwatch refusing dances at any given time, but everyone else is still going to buy and the girls WILL make more money.

    My club is most definitely a lapdance factory and it works like that here. In fact, on nights when the "good" DJ (the one who cuts the songs) works, maybe ONE guy all night will bitch about song length, while everyone else is happily buying and the girls are making money hand over fist. Do you think anyone cares that that ONE dude complained? Hell no! He just gets laughed at as we move on to our next dance. And most the time, no one complains at all. But the girls sure are happy to be making more money

    The girls are right about making more money with shorter songs on two counts. Shorter songs = more songs played per night = more dance opportunities. Shorter songs ALSO make the champagne room seem like a better deal, hence easier to sell.

    If you've got a better DJ system now, you should be able to handle 2:30-2:50. Then, if any girl bitches about song length, ignore them.

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    I'd love it if they cut songs off at 3 min. for private dances, but unfortunately we go on stage so much already that it would be impossible for them to switch us to that kind of format. They always run 3 stages at night, so unless we have a ton of girls I prefer to do a little longer on stage so I have longer in-between. It does suck for LD's though.
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