High earners - how do they do it?

[luvbuniz]

I know some girls lie or brag about their earnings. It's just a couple of weeks ago I saw a receipt for a funny money cash out (the girl had left it on the dressing room table) for $2000

As far as I know, this is a girl who has worked the same amount of time as I have so she's not an old timer.. I hear stories about girls getting $900 tip as well as an hour and a half and once the CR host was given a $2000 tip.

I know that our manager is very strict about extras in the CR room and it seems that many girls just talk in the CR. So what gives? My hustle must be all wrong since my CR last only for half an hour.

[Littlelo]

It could be that these girls just really know how to pick out the big spenders, or the floor host is pointing them in the right direction. If you have a good host and you tip them well, you'll be the first to know when a high roller comes in. Sometimes though, its just luck. The guys who spend this kind of money don't really have to be hustled, especially if they're not even having the girls dance.

[Emily]

you have to know how to ask for the big tips (lots of girls don't ask for it, surprisingly) and have the confidence to back up that you deserve it.

And yeah, what littlelo said is definitely true.

[mermaidnz]

heh,its depressing sometimes, i snuck a look at the past months earnings on the computer at work one night, and found out the top earner made 3times what i made, and she works half the amount of nights!!!!

id put it down to determination and drive.

its not luck, these girls are consistantly at the top, and are clean awesome chicks, good on em i say

[teeth_of_the_hydra]

This thread comes at a good time because I'm working in Key West for a few weeks. The girls at my current club run the gamut... 3s-10s, barely 18 to over 50 (!!!), scared newbies who hide in the DR all night to women so powerful and confident that you can't even call what they do "hustling." It's more like telling custies to give up their paychecks. Seriously.

I'm right in the middle somewhere: cute, not-new not-old, decently good at selling dances, averaging about 3 dances per sale closed. I know I do better than many of the girls there but I am NOT a killer high-roller like some of the ladies in there. And I think THIS

you have to know how to ask for the big tips (lots of girls don't ask for it, surprisingly) and have the confidence to back up that you deserve it.

...is my problem.

I have no idea HOW on earth to convince someone to part with large amounts of cash WITHOUT selling VIP or dancing for him; basically, providing a recognized "service," EVEN if he is already paying me to chat, and EVEN if I know he has the money on him.

For example, the other night a guy slipped me about $160 and wanted me to keep him company for awhile. He made it clear that he did not want VIP or dances. After about 30-40 min I did the "I'd love to stay here with you for longer, but..." thing, and he pulled out his bankroll. He bypassed several $100s and gave me another $40. I stayed for 10 more minutes, then asked again, and he gave me maybe $20 more, then I had to go onstage and people started asking me for dances and I didn't return. I'm pretty sure this guy wanted me to stay with him, and wasn't trying to get rid of me, because he approached me all sulkily at the end of the night and said so.

Here's the thing. I know he had cash on him, and I know someone more skilled than me could have gotten him to give it up, but after the initial sum he was handing out pretty small tips, relative to what I could see he had. I do okay when I know someone has alot of cash and likes my dances... I can just turn up the eye contact/sultry cuddling kinda stuff and let sex appeal sell itself. I feel entitled to $300 for 15 of my dances, but I have no idea how to ask for the same $300, say, without doing the dances.

So Emily, or any other resident high earners... how can I do it, too?

[cameron_keys]

^^ for a guy like that...tell him when you get off stage that a bunch of guys want a dance from you now and that you will probably be busy for awhile. Say that you would MUCH rather stay with him and continue your conversation but that the club would get pissed since you'd be passing up other paying customers. But if he wanted to pay to buy your time out you would be able to justify staying with him. Then when he asks name a reasonable price...I'd not take less than $300 an hour since you can get that in the champagne room there.
If he says yes..get it at the beginning of each hour and make a show of going up to Marty or Dustin..whoever is working and close by. Show them the money(tell them why..they'll think it is funny! And you can tip them nicely at the end of the night for playing along). That way the guy thinks you have to show the bouncer that you've been bought out for the next hour.


Of course this will only work if the guy isnt local. But the chances of a local coughing up that much money isnt likely anyway!!



P.S. tell everone I said hi and I miss them!!

[cinammonkisses]

^^Totally what Cameron said. I would've also said something along the lines of not taking "breaks" to have to tip you, but let's agree on a set amount" or something like that. But yea, Iv'e used the line Cameron said, and its worked for me.

[kylie3183]

This is what I've been doing lately for tips for VIP if they have a credit card tab. Start this with about 10 minutes left.

First ask if he would like to stay. If yes, then wait until the last half hour to start the process.

me: Oh, let me have our bouncer call up our waitress, so we can get started on a tip.

I then start negotiating a price. This price just depends on the guy. But if he's done an hour and a half or more lately, I've been starting with around $1000. If I feel that he's a big spender, I ask for more. If you start high, then you have bargaining room and still end up with a good tip. Lately, this has been getting me around $500 extra on these VIPs.

Tips are just so much easier in funny money. In cash, it seems harder to negotiate for me. It's "real" money, instead of just talking money and pointing to some numbers on a little slip of paper.

[mina loy]

i had this same question in my mind for a long time because i heard girls next to me bragging about how they earned 1 G off of one guy or got tipped "only four hundred." the most anyone has ever tipped me was $100. i figured that these girls were lying.

then i see one girl who gets taken off the stage for the rest of the night because of spending all night in VIP. granted, i've spent up to 4 hours in VIP with one guy, not really because of skill, though. they just really seemed to enjoy my company and had the funds to do it. those nights have been the rarest exception, rather than the rule. i couldn't figure out why this one girl could get those all-nighters, other than she had wealthy regulars...

so is cameron's suggestion the sole way of earning insane amounts of money off of a guy? i don't even ask for tips because i was raised to believe it is bad manners.

[Chrissy68]

getting away from the tipping and back to the hustling, i know that i am a top earner and maybe it's because i never stop. i never quit until it's lights on closing time. also, it's my attitude. i always smile, i try to laugh, and i never give away time for free. i can fake having fun really well and that helps too. i tell customers that i will be busy later but i will try to make it back. and often they then think if im busy later it means im a hot commodity.. which i make them see that i am.

but i posted a long thread of what makes me bank in HH a lil ago. http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86570

[cinammonkisses]

but i posted a long thread of what makes me bank in HH a lil ago. http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86570

Shit, I am on this site everyday, and I promise I have never seen that thread. I just read it, and now I'm subscribing to it

Also: Taken from the other thread:

Correct me if I'm wrong--but didn't someone say...(namely Emily) that basically you're only giving away a free dance IF and only if they go for the VIP upsell...if they decline, just collect your regular fee and go on your way.

What do you do in this situation?

[Emily]

What do you do in this situation?

She does the same thing as I do. The guy is paying her no matter what, so the term "free dance" is a little confusing. He's just deciding if he's going to pay $20 for the dance or use that $20 as a down payment on a VIP.

Chrissy's thread is great for hustling tips on how to have a good night every night, but how to get those $2000+ nights....that kind of stuff comes from having one good customer and knowing how to work him.

[cinammonkisses]

She does the same thing as I do. The guy is paying her no matter what, so the term "free dance" is a little confusing. He's just deciding if he's going to pay $20 for the dance or use that $20 as a down payment on a VIP.

Ahhh I see that and I LIKE it..downpayment... I can see how a guy would feel good about this whole situation.

[Lysondra]

Maybe she saved it for a week or two and then cashed it out?

[Bridgette]

Maybe she saved it for a week or two and then cashed it out?

This is highly possible and probable. Girls don't make that kind of money ($2k) on a regular basis. SUPER rare. Most guys simply don't have that kind of money to spend, and we ALL know that. Quit thinking you're missing something. It's a RARE club where a girl can come close to that kind of money on any kind of regular basis.

There are sooooo many variables to how a girl gets that kind of money. Extras, luck, big spender, sales skill, confidence. I would have to say LUCK is the biggest factor at play when a girl makes $2k+ in one night, in any club.

[Picaresque]

I know 3 girls who are like what the OP is describing. They really do pull in that kind of money on a regular basis. $1k is a bad night for them. They simply hustle like they have no souls.

...and I say that in an admiring way, not criticising! They will lie to a custy and lead him on, and they say the most outrageous things and get away with it, b/c they have un-ending confidence. It's like they just steamroll customers. I am in awe. I think it was Tart...or maybe kylie... who posted somewhere about one of these kinds of girls at her club, who regularly made $2-3k a night and this is how she hustled, basically misleading custies and playing word games skillfully enough, and with enough brass balls and confidence to just take insane amounts of money from a custy. And for doing NOTHING--these girls rarely actually dance in VIP rooms. Mostly they just sit there in the CR and drink and talk, always working on the custy for the next round of money.

So I'm convinced it's about finding that perfect yet elusive combo of uber-confidence, mind game skills and just plain not giving a fuck or having an ounce of morals. I've got to admit, I'd hustle like that if I wasn't afraid of getting busted by an undercover cop. But what stops me is...what if it's vice and I get into trouble for soliciting?

[josephine444]

I consider myself a top earner. At any club that I have worked at, people are amazed at the amounts of money I get out of men. My approach to dancing is a very business oriented. I am at work. My time and my self worth is of utmost importance, as it is for anyone that I am entertaining when, they, themselves are at work. Certain industies do not offer pro bono, we work in one that does not. We do not have a flashing blue light above our heads or attached to our thongs. If a man wants you to "sit" with him for an extended period of time he should pay you what you would make for doing dances for that period of time. ex. $20/song x 3min./song is $600 an hr. if your vips cost less than that, it doesn't matter, even more reason for him to sit in vip cheaper. I, personally, don't try, at all, to get vips. I charge 2000 an hr. to dissuade them but at least once or twice a month, I get them and they usually stay for more than one. Because I am witty and I don't complain or whine about my life and I give a quality dance that does not exceed fantasy. Men come to us for escape from reality and they respect our professionalism. They also respect girls that respect themselves. It truly saddens me to see girls that feel that they need to be sexually exploited for next to nothing just to have a man get "his money's worth" and girls that don't believe that they're worth thousands of dollars. I am not judging anyone. I have friends that are escorts and strippers that do extras, but IF girls that do those things didn't do it for the same costs as girls that don't, it wouldn't bring down everyone else's market value. It would makes EVERYONE'S money go up! We have complete control over men at work. They came to see us for a reason. But they also know that there are many girls that will allow, time consumption for free and sexual deviance at the customer's preferred pricing. It isn't about hustle, its about fair exchange. These men are in YOUR office and they know it. Stipulate to what you want and make it fair to everyone.

[josephine444]

Also, when I quote a price for vip or dances, I charge the customer for ANY fees asoociated with the money he is spending on me. For example, my vips are 2000, I have a house fee of 150/hr., 20/tip to mgr., = 2170 CASH OUT! that means if its on credit I will multiply that by 20% and that will be their total THEN I try my hardest to get the waitress 20% of their TOTAL to me. 98% of the time they do it. An hour of my time inevitably for vips = 1 1/2 hrs. of time. It should all be accounted for. The WAITRESS and doorman is VERY important to keep VERY happy! They will always get you when they have a great customer. I understand that our club has different pricing guidelines than many of you. But if you apply the same mathematics, its a standard that you can create whether you get 60/song or 10. As unreasonable as it sounds to imagine your customer spending money like that, PLEASE realize you have him by the balls and sometimes literally! (if so, please just charge more!)

[cinammonkisses]

^^^^^^^^^^^^$2k for a VIP?! and you're in N.O.?!

Where do you work, 508

[paintgoddess]

As unreasonable as it sounds to imagine your customer spending money like that, PLEASE realize you have him by the balls and sometimes literally! (if so, please just charge more!)

WHen it comes to VIP's, large tips, and getting well-compensated for my time, I have a hard time asking for what I want because it seems like it's so easy for the guy to say no. Because of this, I still feel like THEY have the upper hand, not me. What am I not getting? Does it have to do with creating a sense of obligation? Guilt? Does this apply to only the kinds of guys that actually like being used and/or dominated? This would be financial domination in this context... I'm not sure i've ever felt what it's like to have a guy by the balls/wallet... I truly believe this is what the high earners "get" about hustling. There is no shame or guilt. Rather entitlement with gratitude. Or something like that. I can't do it. Help???

[Bridgette]

^What you're not getting is that WE are the ones who have the upper hand. The guys like to think they do, but THEY are the ones who come to see US. THEY are the ones who have to pay for attention from the opposite sex, not us. They like to try and make us think they have the upper hand (saying it's "their wallets"), but the reality is that THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR ATTENTION, and the price is only a matter of negotiation.

This said, not every girl will be a really high earner. It's impossible. Guys who have that kind of money to spend are WAY in the minority. Part of finding them is luck, and part of it is learning to play the clubstaff to your advantage - once they know you take care of them, they'll help you more by pointing you to known spenders.

And while most girls are NOT going to find a whale every night, we can all earn more every night by simply knowing we're worth it. Guys will always have to pay. Always.



All this said, I would take the words of a NEWBIE poster who claims to make $2k per hour in VIP on a regular basis with a grain of salt. Especially when said poster's very first post on the board was trying to dissuade girls from coming to her city for several months because business is slow this season.

[Kaylinn]

Being a high earner is a combination of several things.

1. Knowing your target. Being able to judge the customer, what he wants, and being able to give it to him. You must be able to provide the fantasy he is looking for. Weather that means being sweet and shy, or bold and commanding. Being able to have good conversation with ANYONE. Find something in common, and be able to hold an intelligent conversation, on any subject.

2. Making friends with the bouncers. They can help A LOT. Point you in the direction of money, call you to VIP rooms, and generalyl just hook you up.

3. Perseverence. ( My biggest problem)
Beign able to hold out until money arrives. Just becaue you havent made a dollar the first 4 hours, doesn't mean give up. The next guy to walk in might have been the big spender.

4. Going by averages. Your not a high earner because once in awhile you can make over a grand. Being a high earner is consistantly making good money, with the occasional bad nights thrown in.

5. Being able to get ahold of each guys wallet, meanign, getting him to fall in love with you so that he woudl do whatever you ask. Go to VIp? he says ok. Stay longer in VIP? He says I coudl never leave. Getting a tip? You can hint, and he will take the hint and tip you well, simply because he would do anythign for you.
Giving a guy sooo much fun, and fullfillign whatever fantasy he had in mind, makign him truly believe you had fun as well....and he will give you wahtever you want. ( has nothign to do at all with extras. In thoes situations, a high earner is able to get the guy who whants extra at arms length, she is able to keep him relativly happy with what he is getting, and might I say..able to creativly lead him on, while obeying the rules)

6. Don't judge anyone! Talk to everyone, and be nice to everyone, you just never know.....
I was standign at the bar the other night, and this young, ghetto lookign kid was next to me and said hi. Normally, ( espicially at that particular club) I am polite, but brush them off. Thoes guys grab your ass, are rude, and tryign to get you back t the hotel room. So I said hi back, and ignored him. He offered to buy me a drink, which I accepted. Then he asked abotu VIP rooms.
We went striaght back to a room, and stayed for an hour. He turned out to be ghtetto looking, but very well spoken, polite, and a joy to be around.
I almost lost $400 because of sterotypes.
Generally, sterotypes are true, but you just never know. Be nice to everyone.

You have to be able to get guys to want to give you money, because they want to , not because you asked.



I used to be a high earner, at 2 clubs (1 in Vegas) I was the top earner by far.
Since going through my slump, I am slowly comming out of it, and am on my way to thoes high earnings again.

[Kalligirl]

Being a high earner is a combination of several things.

1. Knowing your target. Being able to judge the customer, what he wants, and being able to give it to him. You must be able to provide the fantasy he is looking for. Weather that means being sweet and shy, or bold and commanding. Being able to have good conversation with ANYONE. Find something in common, and be able to hold an intelligent conversation, on any subject.

2. Making friends with the bouncers. They can help A LOT. Point you in the direction of money, call you to VIP rooms, and generalyl just hook you up.

3. Perseverence. ( My biggest problem)
Beign able to hold out until money arrives. Just becaue you havent made a dollar the first 4 hours, doesn't mean give up. The next guy to walk in might have been the big spender.

4. Going by averages. Your not a high earner because once in awhile you can make over a grand. Being a high earner is consistantly making good money, with the occasional bad nights thrown in.

5. Being able to get ahold of each guys wallet, meanign, getting him to fall in love with you so that he woudl do whatever you ask. Go to VIp? he says ok. Stay longer in VIP? He says I coudl never leave. Getting a tip? You can hint, and he will take the hint and tip you well, simply because he would do anythign for you.
Giving a guy sooo much fun, and fullfillign whatever fantasy he had in mind, makign him truly believe you had fun as well....and he will give you wahtever you want. ( has nothign to do at all with extras. In thoes situations, a high earner is able to get the guy who whants extra at arms length, she is able to keep him relativly happy with what he is getting, and might I say..able to creativly lead him on, while obeying the rules)

6. Don't judge anyone! Talk to everyone, and be nice to everyone, you just never know.....
I was standign at the bar the other night, and this young, ghetto lookign kid was next to me and said hi. Normally, ( espicially at that particular club) I am polite, but brush them off. Thoes guys grab your ass, are rude, and tryign to get you back t the hotel room. So I said hi back, and ignored him. He offered to buy me a drink, which I accepted. Then he asked abotu VIP rooms.
We went striaght back to a room, and stayed for an hour. He turned out to be ghtetto looking, but very well spoken, polite, and a joy to be around.
I almost lost $400 because of sterotypes.
Generally, sterotypes are true, but you just never know. Be nice to everyone.

You have to be able to get guys to want to give you money, because they want to , not because you asked.



I used to be a high earner, at 2 clubs (1 in Vegas) I was the top earner by far.
Since going through my slump, I am slowly comming out of it, and am on my way to thoes high earnings again.

I second that. Especially number 1.

[luvbuniz]

It could be that these girls just really know how to pick out the big spenders, or the floor host is pointing them in the right direction. If you have a good host and you tip them well, you'll be the first to know when a high roller comes in. Sometimes though, its just luck. The guys who spend this kind of money don't really have to be hustled, especially if they're not even having the girls dance.

The floor host always seem to favor the few girls that do tip them well.. High rollers can be tricky since you have to chat and build rapport for half an hour or so.

My friend has a good tactic, in the beginning she only chats to guys that show initial interest and then chats with them, however long it takes to get them to the CR. Instead of working round the room like I do.

[Emily]

High rollers can be tricky since you have to chat and build rapport for half an hour or so.

I don't think this is necessarily true. If they just got there, sure, but if they came ready to spend, then they are ready to spend! if you club has a VIP section and these customers are wisked away back there, then your relationship with the floor hosts is critical because otherwise you can't even meet them to build rapport in the first place.