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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I just want to clarify and I think it's been said back a few pages in the thread but the 3/50 is a standard price in my club, I am not undercutting anyone.
    It's the clubs price not mine.
    yeah, it's fine in your club, but it's not really undercutting then. The problem is undercutting. Not because it's shady (it is, but that's not the point we're trying to make), but it'll actually hurt you. So this discussion was directed towards girls who do or were planning to undercut to make more money.

    Quote Originally Posted by alani.girl View Post
    Emily,

    I know this must sound sad, but how do you convince someone that you are worth $1k or better? What is the appropriate way to ask a custie for a big tip? When I try my hand at assertiveness w/ the custies I feel like most of them can sense that I don't really mean it or that I'm not a pro and want to give me a hard(er) way to go. :-(

    And yes, you have to believe it (that you're worth it) yourself before you can get a customer to believe it. Also, sound confident in a way to project that it happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post

    Ok...so now I have a question



    B...At every club I've worked at out here, when you go into VIP, the host tells the customer the prices. " I'm sure the lady told you already, but for the hour, it's $400 for her, $100 drink tab"
    How do you get around that with naming your higher price? Tell the customer that it's normally this much, but you cost this much more because your dances are better? I think that might imply he's getting someone extra?
    You read my mind!

    I've had this problem too. I do name a higher price, especially for the half hour but then the Host ruins it, so I just say that's the price after tipping ect...sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

    It's hard to do in Vegas, IMO, because guys come here really thinking that they re going to get extras in the Strip Clubs here...grrr...NOT!

    It is easier to charge more when the club is super crowded because it's so loud they can't really hear what the Host is saying.

    Also, when it's crowded you have to wait in a freak'n line for the VIP, to get a spot you have to have the custy throw at least a $20 at the Host to even get on the list. Then after you wait 10 minutes or so you finally get a spot to dance. This drives me insane to no end because that 10 minutes of my time shouldn't be free!

    What I try to do is say, since we are already back here and tipped the Host for a good spot, we might as well go for another.

    I never, never negotiate a lower price, if you don't have the cash then get out your credit card.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    There's always a way to make more money, you just have to figure out how to work the club's system to your advantage instead of someone else's. Cutting discount deals, no matter what some girls think, is never to the girls' advantage.
    I totally believe this! For instance, when the club is really crowded instead of trying to get the guys for the hour or half hour, I just offer the 3 songs for $100 and tip the Host a $100 bill ( out of my own pocket )so that I never have to wait in line ( and the line for this room is the longest ).

    Then once we are back there we just keep on doing $100 sets, sometimes 7 to 8 sets at time! So, in less time than I would spend doing an hour I made more money and didn't have to deal with a Host timing me and a waitress getting drinks for us. The money the custy has isn't spread as thin and all goes to me in less time.

    Doing half hours usually take 45 minutes or longer, after you get set up with the Host, the waitress and then get paid, even longer if it's credit. So, I have learned to do this, and it works! In the past when the club was so crowded I found it harder to make money by up selling to longer VIP's and a waste of time.

    Of course during the week it's all about the up sell
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    ^^ I hardly never take customers into the half hour and hour rooms, I actually feel kinda guilty for admitting this....


    But when I sell half hours, or hours, I still take them to the 3 for 100 room, and use that as my sellign point to get more money.
    I tell them that in the half hour/hour room, its xamount, plus a drink tab, however...in the 3 for 100 room, its only me that gets paid, so the customer has more money in his pocket. Its an easier sell, cause soem guys dont even want drinks, bnut it also opens the door for me to say, well, since I saved you $150 in drinks, now you have extra to tip me with!
    If they or I want drinks, we can stiill always order them, there just is no required minimum.
    Ifeel kind of bad admitting I do it this way, as I am screwing the club and losing them money ...but fuck it! They wouldn't hesitate to screw me over.

    I will sell the 3 for 100, half hour, or hour and take them all to the 3for 100 room.

    Which makes me realize....in the 3for 100, there isnt a host explaining the prices. SO I could charge as much as I wanted.

    I think the only downside to keepign guys in the 3for 100 longer than 3 songs is that I am clogging up space for other girls in line, but then again...it is entirely possibnle I onyl meant to sell 1 3 for 100, but the custemr kept wanting to extend. Maybe I just feel bad intentionally using that room for longer than I should....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    B...At every club I've worked at out here, when you go into VIP, the host tells the customer the prices. " I'm sure the lady told you already, but for the hour, it's $400 for her, $100 drink tab"
    How do you get around that with naming your higher price? Tell the customer that it's normally this much, but you cost this much more because your dances are better? I think that might imply he's getting someone extra?
    Sell them something else that's normal but make it seem extra. $400 for the room, an extra $100 to touch (only if CR touching is normal at your club). Make it seem like a big secret and like they're getting something extra, even if they aren't.



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    Also, sound confident in a way to project that it happens all the time.
    This is one thing that helps me upsell very easily...when I'm chatting up a custy and we start talking about LD and VIP options, I very casually slip in references to how "most people do X, Y or Z" as if I expect it and it's the norm. Whether we're talking about tipping large amounts on LDs, "making it rain" with $5's onstage, having guys buy CRs and then just wanting to give me massages and talk while we're there, buying an hourlong CR or whatever...if you act like it's no big deal and *everyone else does it*, custies usually take their cue from you and also act like/believe that's the norm.

    Example....

    me: explaining that CR is $600 for an hour
    custy: $600?! whaaat? are you serious? blah blah blah that's so much money and i doubt it's worth it i mean what do you GET for all that, do people actually pay that....?
    me: *smile and casual shrug* Yeah, most guys want at least an hour with me...of course, most of them just want to sit and talk, have some wine, and enjoy my company. you know how it is, they're usually travelling on business, and they just appreciate spending some time relaxing in private with beautiful women..."


    So now I've set the stage where the custy accepts that a) the norm is to buy an hourlong CR at least, b) that I'm used to interacting with refined, upscale white-collar men who have money, c) that dropping hundreds on a CR is no big deal, and d) that most guys drop $600 and don't even ask me to dance back there, but instead I'm just used to sipping wine and chatting in the CR! This raises the bar for them...now instead of thinking "omg this price is ridiculous", they feel like they're getting a bargain (or being cheap, compared to what I'm "used to" in the CR, lol) when they buy a half hour and I only spend 1/2 of that time actually dancing.

    Or...

    I'm trying to sell an LD, and the customer is hemming and hawing, and I slip in something about how a lot of guys like to just take me back there and have me sit on their lap and chat for awhile ("usually we dance a few songs, and then take a break and chat for a little bit, and then keep going...") ...and now the stage is set where the custy thinks *that* is the norm, and that he should feel like he's getting a real deal when he buys "only" 2 or 3 dances and I actually *dance* the whole time...instead of the "omg $25? are you gonna make it worth it?" mindset.


    I swear when I do this I sell twice as many VIPs, and more multiple dances as well (b/c some custies really just won't go for the CR even after that, but they'll still feel like they need to man up and at least buy more than 1 or 2 dances. The trick is communicating this while still keeping the attitude fun and playful, not coming off as bitchy or stuck up.

    And I agree completely w/ you on the undercutting. Not only are you fucking over everyone else who knows that their dances are worth AT LEAST the minimum price set by the club...but you're selling YOURSELF short too. Why on earth would you offer to do more work for less? When you undercut and sell yourself short, the customer is in control, and it should be the other way around.

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    I find that it is really hard to break a certain amount of money at my club, but I also think that it might be all in my head.

    There is a bargain mentality at my club because dances on the floor are only 5 dollars and dances in the back are only 10. When I first started working here, I thought it would be impossible to even break 200 at those prices, so I was always aiming to break 200. When I look back at my earnings from last year, they are really pathetic. I am now at least doubling my average earnings per night from last year, mostly because I'm no longer happy with 200, I am always aiming for 3-4.

    It's important to find the out of town customers who are used to paying more and getting to them first before they realize what a "bargain" our club is. Also having regulars who get to know you and are more generous is the second half of having successful weeks.

    What I need to get better at is managing my time. Because we have no standard per hour or half hour rooms or charges, guys are taken aback when you offer it. It's like they've never considered the concept. I end up spending a lot of time sitting and talking with regulars for free when I could be getting paid for that. If I sit with a customer for half an hour before/after dancing, even if he gets 10 dances in the back, that's only 100 for an hour. That's pretty much maxing out at my club. Even when dancing constantly for randoms on the floor or working a regular and taking them to the back for 10 songs, it's impossible to make more than 100 an hour. I need to figure out a way around this limit without selling hours.

    Our club, in my opinion, does not want to make money, which is why we let half our patrons in for free, have no VIP room, and sell champagne but don't put the lists on the tables. I have no motivation to make them money, because I don't feel I'll get any special treatment for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    ^^ I hardly never take customers into the half hour and hour rooms, I actually feel kinda guilty for admitting this....


    But when I sell half hours, or hours, I still take them to the 3 for 100 room, and use that as my sellign point to get more money.
    I tell them that in the half hour/hour room, its xamount, plus a drink tab, however...in the 3 for 100 room, its only me that gets paid, so the customer has more money in his pocket. Its an easier sell, cause soem guys dont even want drinks, bnut it also opens the door for me to say, well, since I saved you $150 in drinks, now you have extra to tip me with!
    If they or I want drinks, we can stiill always order them, there just is no required minimum.
    Ifeel kind of bad admitting I do it this way, as I am screwing the club and losing them money ...but fuck it! They wouldn't hesitate to screw me over.

    I will sell the 3 for 100, half hour, or hour and take them all to the 3for 100 room.

    Which makes me realize....in the 3for 100, there isnt a host explaining the prices. SO I could charge as much as I wanted.

    I think the only downside to keepign guys in the 3for 100 longer than 3 songs is that I am clogging up space for other girls in line, but then again...it is entirely possibnle I onyl meant to sell 1 3 for 100, but the custemr kept wanting to extend. Maybe I just feel bad intentionally using that room for longer than I should....
    So, you are the one responsible for making the line so damn long! Just Kidding...

    Everyone there has there own hustle, I see nothing wrong with what you're doing.

    However, sometimes the Host does tell the guys 3 for $100.

    Also, 3 songs is roughly ten minutes and on busy nights rarely does the guy just buy one set, usually 2 sets (6 songs ) which is about 20 minutes or so. So, for dancing for 20 minutes I usually earn $200 minimum, instead of dancing for 30 minutes and making the same amount.

    Although, in the past I have had guys want to buy half hours, even hours in that room ( now I see it was probably to avoid the drink tab )but this was on slower nights and they knew they had to tip the Host.

    Anyways, on busy nights I find it more profitable to just hustle and offer the 3 for $100. Then keep them back there for as long as possible at that rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picaresque View Post
    that I'm used to interacting with refined, upscale white-collar men who have money,
    So what if the patron is blue collar? I woudl hate for them to feel uncomfortable. I dont want them to feel like white collar is better than blue collar







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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    So what if the patron is blue collar? I woudl hate for them to feel uncomfortable. I dont want them to feel like white collar is better than blue collar
    I deal with both blue and white collar and something I'll say is "it's expensive, and not everyone wants to spend that much, but for those that prefer a more intimate dance, the VIP is definitely worth the extra money."

    I think this conveys that it's special, but both (regular dance and VIP) are good.

    I think it'd be like the way Toyota markets Lexus. They are both basically the same thing, but if you are upper class or just want to feel like you are, you go Lexus.

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    To you Aussie girls, I know you're talking about club-set prices when you sell 3/$50. I was not directing my comments at you, obviously. However, I will say that unless the club is collecting the money for you, you can always name a higher price as well. Instead of saying 3 songs for $50, you can say 10 minutes for $60, or something similar

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    B...At every club I've worked at out here, when you go into VIP, the host tells the customer the prices. " I'm sure the lady told you already, but for the hour, it's $400 for her, $100 drink tab"
    How do you get around that with naming your higher price? Tell the customer that it's normally this much, but you cost this much more because your dances are better? I think that might imply he's getting someone extra?
    I prefer not to work in clubs where a host names the price. However there are ways to work around that too. Sell your half hour or hour and do it in a regular lapbooth, cheaper room, or whatever - you don't necessarily have to take guys to "VIP". If getting called to stage is an issue, tip the DJ extra to keep you off the list. I love a club that has separate lapbooths, because I can make my own $ deals and use the booths as my "vip"

    You might not be giving the club the cut they want, but who cares? The clubs create this adversarial relationship where it's a battle between us and them to get the customer's money and they don't play fair, so why not create our own advantages? They get enough of our money via house fees, tipouts (ie, paying their staff's wages) and other dance cuts.

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    hmmm....Good points...
    There's onyl certain clubs out here that will work. At Sapphire, for example, all their VIP areas have a host explaining prices. To just get a booth on the floor, there is a bottle tab and it is $300 minimum. So for these methods, Sapphire is out.

    Spearmint Rhino seems to be the best option, because they have an ungarded VIp area, and the rare times I see a host, he has never said anythign to me or my customer.

    I shall try it, and see how it goes. I do wonder, in a place like SR, if naming a higher price will backfire, makign the customer believe he is paying more for more contact. SR is high on contact, I already deal with guys who et pissed the can't tocuh my boobies, when they did it with 10 other girls that night.

    Now, I wonder what my new prices will be.....

    I definatly am screwing myself over charging $100 for the 3for100 room, because with the line we have to wait in, it's nto an in and out deal. It takes 30-45 minutes to wait in line, so I shoudl have already been charging a tip or something to get compensated for that time, but I wlays felt it was the custoemrs fault we had a line, and usually I dont even see a host that the customer can tip to get bumped up.....


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    I would like advice from some of you - I want to start charging $30 for dances (unless they get VIP or a block of time in the regular dance area). Most (if not all) girls are charging $20 a dance - it's the house rule, but it does get broken.

    Are you telling the guys up front, or after the dance? What about guys who have been to the club before, or gotten the $20 dance before? I'm good at selling, and I know I'm worth more than $20 a song, but I'd like some examples of what you tell guys when the other girls in the club are dancing for less, and guys all assume the dances are $20 with no tip.

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    You have to tell them up front, or it's basically ripping them off. Unless it's a really special circumstance, you have to be prepared for guys to turn you down on the $30 dance. In most cases, I don't charge extra for regular dances, but for VIP. It's easier to hustle tips on regular dances and negotiate a higher price for VIP.

    However there have been a few threads lately where we talked about what to say when asking for a higher dance price. Part of it is knowing to the core of your being that you are worth it. Then you will say it with confidence, and that goes a long way to making the sale. You can simply say "my private dances are $30/song, ok?" If they ask why you're charging more than other girls, I like to say something like "well do you want the cheap dance or the GOOD dance?" It helps if you actually do vary your dances based on the price - higher price gets the better dance.

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    someone once posted that she offers the regular dance or the naughty dance. i happen to like that wording. this way, you aren;t losing the sale, just offering options. kinda like saying, a dance out here or a vip dance.

    Love it!

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    ^^I don't mean to be off topic but I work at a place that varies tips between 40-200 and even more for difficult people or certain fetishes. How can I work your words of 'well do you want the cheap dance or the GOOD dance?' into the 20 min show the customer rented the room for?

    When we go back we get tips up front or during the show if they want to upgrade.

    edit: In fact I might try a few things tonight (its slow anyway; time to try new things) that might work. I'm still open for suggestions though
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    What I used to say when I worked a place similar to yours was something like "the better the tip, the better the show". We had a schpiel that we had to tell the guys before getting started, and at the end I would tell them that we accept tips as I pointed to the tipping place, and went on to say that most guys would tip at least $xx up front because "the better the tip, the better the show".

    If you don't have a schpiel you have to go through, you can just create your own and work it into that before you get started.

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    When I first started dancing, I was very discouraged by dancers who told me that they were making thousands a night. It took me a while to realize that many of these ladies were exaggerating their income, in order to keep a new young girl from staying at their club very long. I wish I had known this in the beginning, it would have saved me a lot of self cricism.
    While all clubs have girls who make generally good money, no one, as was mentioned earlier, makes thousands EVERY NIGHT. Another fact I wish it hadn't taken me so long to see is that while at many clubs actual extras in the CR are rare, though it's not at all uncommon for girls with a devoted regular to see him outside the club, and if any extras happen, this is usually where it occours. Of course, there are top-earners who have never ever done anything "extra" for the big bucks, however, and this is a Huge "however", many top girls, at least in the clubs I've worked in, are pretty open about doing extras once you get to know them. It is the oldest profession.
    I have nothing against sex workers of any kind, but its important to be schooled in what a competative industry this is, especially if you're new. I have read so many posts saying that girls are making money because they're "witty" and "charming" and "confident", but lets not forget that luck and longevity have a lot to do with it. Also, in some cases, "extras" has something to do with it too.
    My disclamier for a newbie would be don't compare yourself to others, it's not that helpful, and might just contribute to feeling less confident, right? The best advice I could give anyone is to trust your instincts about how pushy you should be to get the most money possible, and if you judge a situation wrong, don't blame yourself. Your own personal sales tactic will emerge eventually, dont stress!!

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    B, your advice was helpful and I tried a few of my own and said everything with confidence while looking in their eyes and touching their leg or my boobs and it was a damn good night for only getting four shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilylucifer View Post
    When I first started dancing, I was very discouraged by dancers who told me that they were making thousands a night. It took me a while to realize that many of these ladies were exaggerating their income, in order to keep a new young girl from staying at their club very long. I wish I had known this in the beginning, it would have saved me a lot of self cricism.
    While all clubs have girls who make generally good money, no one, as was mentioned earlier, makes thousands EVERY NIGHT. Another fact I wish it hadn't taken me so long to see is that while at many clubs actual extras in the CR are rare, though it's not at all uncommon for girls with a devoted regular to see him outside the club, and if any extras happen, this is usually where it occours. Of course, there are top-earners who have never ever done anything "extra" for the big bucks, however, and this is a Huge "however", many top girls, at least in the clubs I've worked in, are pretty open about doing extras once you get to know them. It is the oldest profession.
    I have nothing against sex workers of any kind, but its important to be schooled in what a competative industry this is, especially if you're new. I have read so many posts saying that girls are making money because they're "witty" and "charming" and "confident", but lets not forget that luck and longevity have a lot to do with it. Also, in some cases, "extras" has something to do with it too.
    My disclamier for a newbie would be don't compare yourself to others, it's not that helpful, and might just contribute to feeling less confident, right? The best advice I could give anyone is to trust your instincts about how pushy you should be to get the most money possible, and if you judge a situation wrong, don't blame yourself. Your own personal sales tactic will emerge eventually, dont stress!!
    Thanks Lily, that advice helped a lot! I feel like I never got that newbie mindframe (among other things) to really call myself a seasoned or even 'experienced' dancer.
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    I dont know if it's been said or not...

    BUT tell the customer the champagne room is $600 and take his money for him to the bar... where you sell the champagne room for half as much or less.

    At my club we have a price range for champagne room. It can be sold from anywhere between $200 - $1,000.

    In my case the bar is keeping half of what I make in the champagne room. So selling it for a higher price with the customer and selling it less to the bar helps.

    Some customers WANT you to do this cause they dont want to see the bar taking 1/2 your money.

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    When customers ask me how much a dance is I give them the actual price and I finish it with "and you can tip me whatever you feel is fair." I always ask them to take care of my doormen for me and most guys are so afraid of looking cheap they will tip on the mid to high side. By saying this they understand that I am expecting more and I have never had trouble with getting a tip or getting a guy to tip out my bouncers. It is also good to have healthy working relationships with everyone, not just bouncers, bartenders, and cocktail waitresses. My DJ has hooked me up countless times with different bachelor parties or putting me on stage when there is a large crowd at the tip rail. Also he has passed me up when I am sitting with a customer. And even though we are not there to make friends with the other dancers it does pay off to have some kind of good relationship with them, at least the like minded ones. I have had a lot of girls that hook me up either for dancing with them, for them, or for friends of their regulars. I have also had customers tell girls they are looking for a particular type and if I fit it, they come and get me. Of course I return the favor whenever I can. Just my 2 cents.

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    For dances, Usually I try to target people who are drinking mixed drinks. The guys drinking a beer or whatever are usually harder to sell to and usually only buy 1-4 dances at a time. The guys drinking mixed drinks or hard-A are usually more in the "party mood" and also usually have a bit more money to spend, and usually buy 3-15 dances at a time. As far as CR, what the guys are drinking has little to do with it. Alot of guys drinking the beer just want to relax and hang out with a pretty woman, so I sell it like "oh, we get to hang out and don't have to worry about being interrupted and you get me all to yourself and we can continue our conversation. The guys drinking hard A want the CR for a great priviate show, and I sell it to them as "oh, we'll have so much fun in there...it's as good as it can legally get!"

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    More on the 3/$50 thing ... here in Aus we don't have to wait for a new song to start before we begin the dance, we just start dancing straight after we get the money. I don't think the songs are all cut off at 3 mins or whatever like they were when I worked in Canada (TO) either so its kinda up to the girl to judge how long the dance goes for. So technically you can do 2.5 songs or just over and you are still getting what you are worth ($20 per song).

    Just my little input

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    how do you get titled a high earner? i dont think there is such a thing at my bar, at least the title...

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    ha, its not an official title to where you get a plaque on the wall or smthg. its just mgt or other dancer and/or yourself knowing that you consistently make more than everyone else.
    These days I like to count my money. I like to wash it delicately and iron it. Sometimes I dry it with some bounty to make it all nice and cuddly. I love my money... did I say that out loud?

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