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    Hello-

    Can someone please point me in the direction of:

    Strip club financial statistics?
    The overall state of the industry?

    I need to know if overall patronage has increased? Decreased? Is something else becoming more popular?

    I fully realize these are vague questions, but I need to know where I can read about the state of the industry. some kind of statistics... there's gotta be something....

    any help is appreciated, thanks!
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    Default Re: Exotic Dancer Industry - Strong or Weak?

    There's a professional association of club owners -- www.acenational.com -- that might have some answers. Not sure how objective they will be, though. There's kind of a dearth of research on the industry.

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    Default Re: Exotic Dancer Industry - Strong or Weak?

    You can't really look at the 'exotic dancer industry' as one homogeneous industry. In reality there are three different industry segments ... upscale big city clubs, neighborhood clubs, and 'dirty' clubs. Arguably upscale big city clubs are holding their own, 'dirty' clubs are going gangbusters, and neighborhood clubs are going down the tubes (albeit in slow motion).

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    I think the industry as a whole has peaked out on all levels, and is experiencing a steady decline over the last decade.

    Upscale clubs are not doing as well as in years past and are not really the places to go for stable year round earnings, as much of their customer base consists of business travelers. Higher potential income exists in them, but when it is slow in those clubs, girls many times lose money.

    Extras clubs are hit and miss too, as guys that used to frequent clubs 2 times a month let's say, may only go every month or 2 now.

    Middle of the road clubs which is where most clubs fall, are seeing slowdowns as guys are growing more and more bored with non-sexually stimulating dances, but some of them of course are faring better than others.Without at least a dancer can touch you but you can't touch them policy, dances are hard to sell.

    Strict drunk driving laws are affecting this business a lot too.Guys have to travel farther to get to the clubs nowadays which increases their chances of getting DUI's. Many of the older bettter spending customers come out during the afternoons or early evenings now, and by 9 or so are already home.

    I bet in the next 5-7 years, hand jobs will be the minimum dance selling standard all over. Girls who are not willing to get a guy off during dances won't be dancing anymore.

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    Hi,

    thanks for your input. I hope it doesn't go to hand jobs I am NOT touching someones dick.

    Screw getting herpes on my hand.

    I was actually looking more for public record financial reports. Or like, where can I find out the owner's of the big clubs? I.e. De Ja Vu entertainment own's my club.... is there a list somewhere?
    ~Love From Alexis

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    You won't find any public record financial reports on this industry. Businesses are not required to post public reports like that (unless they are traded on the stock exchange, and the only stripclub company doing that is Ricks which is NOT a representative of the industry as a whole).

    Generally speaking, the people who get into the stripclub business are doing it in part because for the cash business aspect. They aren't publishing any statistics or reports.

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    the other 'strip club' that is arguably publicly traded is Scores



    of course the stock shares only reflect revenues from the licensing / franchising of the Scores club name, which at the moment is resulting in negative earnings per share.

    Additionally, Scores corporate finances are very much up in the air based on an IRS tax fraud investigation which is currently in progress. Arguably, if the owners are indeed eventually found guilty of tax fraud and hit with fines and penalties it could bankrupt the corporation.

    Generally speaking, the people who get into the stripclub business are doing it in part because for the cash business aspect. They aren't publishing any statistics or reports.
    As Bridgette is tactfully hinting at, the 'cash' and 'service' aspects of the strip club business would theoretically make it very easy for a private ownership clubowner with, shall we say, 'alternate' forms of large amounts of cash income, and with next to no scrutiny re Sarbanes Oxley or SEC, to convert that cash income from those 'alternate' sources into legitimate earnings via booking it as strip club revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuxandKisses View Post
    Hi,

    thanks for your input. I hope it doesn't go to hand jobs I am NOT touching someones dick.

    Screw getting herpes on my hand.


    I was actually looking more for public record financial reports. Or like, where can I find out the owner's of the big clubs? I.e. De Ja Vu entertainment own's my club.... is there a list somewhere?
    Da...what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by HuxandKisses View Post
    Hi,


    I was actually looking more for public record financial reports. Or like, where can I find out the owner's of the big clubs? I.e. De Ja Vu entertainment own's my club.... is there a list somewhere?
    I believe Deja Vu is public.

    http://www.dejavu.com/club.asp?c=18518







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    I bet in the next 5-7 years, hand jobs will be the minimum dance selling standard all over. Girls who are not willing to get a guy off during dances won't be dancing anymore.
    Arguably, there will continue to be a small segment of the business devoted to upscale show clubs in very large cities which hire only the best of the best looking dancers and which cater to the bankers / brokers / attorneys / accountants / corp execs / idle rich. These clubs will probably keep conspicuous 'extras' under control in order to avoid busts which would deter high rolling 'connected' customers due to the possibility of adverse local publicity (no comment on OTC or locked door VIP rooms however !). But for other clubs that cater to regular middle class guys, travelling businessmen and white collar locals, I will readily agree that any dancers who are not willing to offer heavy contact i.e. 'happy endings' will probably be facing a very disappointing earnings potential a few years from now.

    And as far as clubs catering to blue collar customers go, it's doubtful that these clubs will offer dancers a sustainable earnings potential in the future even if the girl is willing to provide whatever the customer asks for - for the simple reason that blue collar customers just aren't going to have any income left over for luxuries after paying for taxes, energy, food, mortgage, car and credit card payments !

    I believe Deja Vu is public.
    As to clubs like DejaVu / Hustler and Penthouse, these are not 'pure plays' i.e. corporate profits are not totally derived from strip club operations. For example, a major component of Penthouse's corporate revenues have nothing to do with the Penthouse Executive Club, nor Penthouse magazine, but in fact stems from the processing of adult website credit card charges !

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    Wow!

    This has all been pretty helpful. I'm going to go check out some of the links your girls provided,

    thanks a BUNCH!!
    ~Love From Alexis

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    Da...what?
    sorry to gross you out Lilith I was referring to a comment a girl made about only girls who perform extras wll make money.

    I have a healthy fear of STD's, and yes, nasty crap can grow on your hands, face, chest, legs etc...not just your vagina. He may LOOK like an upscale business man,

    but I work in San Francisco. Sex in the City? Everywhere.

    Do I need to say more? LOL *sigh*

    Unfortunately for us dancers in this physical business, herpes and other crap doesn't have to jump out and slap you in the face to simply exist on the body. (luckily I work where touching is not allowed anyway)

    *note to reader- If I've offended you, ok, um...sorry for ya. Obviously, I don't know you personally so my comments are not direct AT you. No offense was intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuxandKisses View Post
    Wow!

    This has all been pretty helpful. I'm going to go check out some of the links your girls provided,

    thanks a BUNCH!!
    Did you read the parts where we said there are NO statistics on the industry as a whole? There are extremely limited few public records of stripclub finances, and those are NOT going to represent the industry as a whole, which is what you said you wanted. What you're looking for doesn't exist, and won't ever.

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    I actually have a book/magazine thing with the kind of info/statistics you're looking for, it's from 2004 I think... So it may not be as current as you'd like it to be. Of course I'm not sure how accuarate the information is all in all, since most of it was gathered through polls and such. If you're interested pm me, I wouldn't mind loaning it out. But Bridgette is right, it doesn't represent the industry entirely as a "whole". But at least it's going in the direction you're looking for.
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    try this paper entitled "the erotic economy":

    www.woodhullfoundation.org/content/otherpublications/TheEroticEconomy.pdf

    its a academic paper, and so talks about "adult enteratinment" as all encompassing, but does discuss clubs inparticualar. Also, the referencing is fairly decent so you should be able to trace the sources used for more info.

    Also, don't have any off the top of my head, but you should try sociology journals (Brittish, Canadian, Austrlian, US). Under sexuality, gender and economy-there will be HUGE amounts of articles adn i'm sure some academic somewhere has asked the same questions at some point. Or, if you want to be really lazy, contact a proffesor of sociology who's particlar focus is the sex industry (google "sex industry""sociology")-it will find you a article and tell you the contact details on the paper-tell them you loved article, curious, wnat more info-they would probably have a pretty spot on idea of where to go.

    Alternatively, the groups whch represent the sex industry are a source that would probably be usefull EROS is the australian one,not sure of the others (they came into being during the legitimisation of the sex industry; they are activists for the regulation/control/legalisation of the sex industry as legitimate business). as a result they (or similar org's elsewhere) would have a pretty good collection of data i can imagine. ALSO, census documents-they will be able to tell you the spread, income etc levels; how many clubs have opened up, closed down etc if you compare and contrast a few.

    OR, if all else fails (and i can't believe i'm advocating this)...
    Bizarely, you should get onto those crazy right-wing christian selected-statistics-presented-as-undeniable-fact-sites. Although by no means accuarate, they get their stat's from somewhere (which you'll then be able to trace and decipher objectively) and they are bound to have info on the moral decay of times and why the expansion of the sex industry is to blame. Am happily able to say i cant think of any off the top of my head but if you google "christian""sex industry""decay" i'm sure you'll strike gold

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    Any published statistics about stripclub industry financials will not be accurate - that you can count on. Rick's and Scores franchise(still not including actual club numbers) might be somewhat accurate, since they're publicly traded companies. But still, think how much cash goes through these places, and consider how much of it never sees the light of day. LOL

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    ^^^ actually, there might be an excellent source of FUTURE information on a particular strip club ... if the tax fraud case against the owners of SCORES is ever made public !!! But again there will probably be no way to distinguish the cash income booked by the club that actually came from club customers versus the cash income booked by the club that actually came from 'alternate' sources !

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    that erotic economy pdf reads more like an ad for the industry than anything else. it's no source of accurate or legitimate information on stripclubs or the adult entertainment industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Did you read the parts where we said there are NO statistics on the industry as a whole? There are extremely limited few public records of stripclub finances, and those are NOT going to represent the industry as a whole, which is what you said you wanted. What you're looking for doesn't exist, and won't ever.
    yeah, and now that I know this, hence the "you girls have been helpful"

    I can move on.

    thanks for re-iterating though, Bridgette, how sweet of you.

    and thanks again (to everyone who gave input) for all the rest of the info!
    ~Love From Alexis

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    that erotic economy pdf reads more like an ad for the industry than anything else. it's no source of accurate or legitimate information on stripclubs or the adult entertainment industry.
    lol. it certainly does have a viewpoint point!
    boo. i was hopin that cause the referencing was halfway decent that some of the sources would be ok (although i admit i didn't go that far) for actually getting the info (looking at the date objectively o' course)

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