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    Default Pleae help me wriet a blog about abstinence education in schools.

    I am about to write a blog blasting the The House Appropriations Committee subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services and Education f$32 million increase for the utterly useless Community-Based Abstinence Education (CBAE) program.

    Some of the ideas I have been tossing around seem so bloody obvious to me and many of the people I talk to on a regular basis (my husband and co-workers) but I am not sure if most people have heard these same ideas or whether they are unique to my particular social circle. Please have a look and tell me whether you think these ideas are new and fresh or if they have already been beat to death.
    • The government should not have to teach any kind of "moral" or character education in the schools. That is the parents' job.

      Parents in general have long ago abdicated the responsibility to teach their kids anything at all.

      It is absurd to expect todays' teens, who are bombarded with sexual imagery in the media, to take abstinence education seriously.

      It is absurd that we as a society shield children from factual information about sex, but allow them a steady diet of media violence.

      It is absurd that we as a society allow the media to promote all sorts of unhealthy sexual imagery, but withhold factual information regarding birth control and STD's.


    Again, what I am looking for is just a basic idea of whether these ideas are something new, or if they have been run into the ground already.

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    I also ran this query on my homeschool forum. I am curious to see how it comes out differently here.

    PS Here is the article that got me started on this idea: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/...price_victory/


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    Default Re: Pleae help me wriet a blog about abstinence education in schools.

    Your list is good! I would definitely add the alarming statistics about how many kids end up geting STDs anyway when they get abstinence education only. It's just insane to me.

    Check this entry out, for just one of many examples: "Students who participated in sexual abstinence programs were just as likely to have sex as those who did not, according to a study ordered by Congress."

    Here's another: http://www.arsepoetica.com/blog/2006...ence_educ.html

    And related to this, on the topic of those "virginity pledges": http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=21606
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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen View Post
    The government should not have to teach any kind of "moral" or character education in the schools. That is the parents' job.
    I think that is kind of an interesting one; and I think you'd be surprised how many parents and people in general disagree with you. I would actually go so far as to say it is impossible; the disagreement comes from what KIND of morals and characters the school should be teaching. How do you teach children that it is wrong, for example, to take the toys from other children in a moral/character free environment? I think the problem with "abstinence only" education is not the moral/character element that it is trying to impart - it is that it is a poor education.

    I also think though, that a class that simply runs through anatomy and various birth control/disease prevention is a mistake. I do think kids should be taught to respect their bodies - boys as well as girls, but especially girls, because the gold standard of female sexuality is still that of the proverbial vessel waiting to be filled. As much as we KNOW abstinence only doesn't work, I think sex education divorced from any "character building" is equally a mistake. Of course, I also think teenagers should be taught to masturbate (again, especially girls - for boys it seems more intuitive), so.
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    They did a study comparing kids who went through abstinence-only sex ed to the kids who went through comprehensive sex ed (birth control, STD's, etc). They found that the kids who went through abstinence-only sex ed remained virgins for about a year longer, on the average, but did wind up having sex at the same rates as the other kids - and they were LESS likely to use protection from STD's.

    I've noticed this to be true in my personal experience as well. When I was a kid, we had to take this lame abstinence course called "Sex Respect." Most of my classmates still had sex, but an appalling number of them figured there was no point in using condoms, since "they don't work anyway." The Sex Respect class had emphasized the failure rates of different forms of birth control and STD protection, so my classmates decided to just take their risks and not bother. My mom was a nurse so I knew better, thank G-d, but I shudder to think of the consequences those kids suffered.

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    Default Re: Pleae help me wriet a blog about abstinence education in schools.

    I wrote my final argumentative research paper in Eng Comp 2 last semester on this topic. I got an A on it. Yay.

    There's also, in addition to your current list, the issues of seperation of church and state (since many of the programs are taught in public schools and teach blatantly religious views) and the fact that most of those programs teach false material about condoms, STDs and such to scare the kids into abstinence. Abstinence-only is just teaching ignorance.

    It's pretty scary what some of these programs get up to.

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    I'd go with what you have listed, and add that states (Ohio, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Montana, New Jersey, and Wisconsin) are starting to refuse federal money for absinence-only education. BECAUSE IT SUCKS.

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    Default Re: Pleae help me wriet a blog about abstinence education in schools.

    I would add that abstinence education needs to be part of a larger discussion on the subject.

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    Here's a story that is a result of lack of sex ed in Texas:

    My aunt used to work for a crisis hotline. One day, a 15-year old girl called up, very upset, because she was pregnant even while using birth control pills. She and her boyfriend decided to share responsibility, so she took the pills the first month, he took the pills the second month, and they alternated. Neither of them had any idea that pills are for women only, how they worked, or that they require 6 weeks to kick in. That's abstinence ed for you, folks. My aunt can testify that the teen pregnancy rates increased after the abstinence-ed policy was instated.

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    Try avoiding spittle-laced rantings and focus on cold, logical empiricism. This will help position you less as a counter-culture leftist stooge and more as a rational and thought-provoking presenter of ideas.

    If you're going to take the route of saying that abstinence-only programs are a colossal waste of taxpayer funds because they're ineffectual, use statistical data to demonstrate that.
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    Do I sound spittle-laced already? Damn! I haven't even really got started yet.

    This is the original CBAE document http://www.acf.hhs.gov/grants/open/H...F-AE-0099.html.

    I am thinking, my main objection to this particular piece of tripe is that, along with look-see reading (sight words) and intelligent design, this curriculum is not only a big pointless waste of taxpayer money, it is also part of the larger industrial-governmental agenda to keep people as dumb and lemming-like as is possible. It is a practical and Orwellian application of Carl Marx's assertion that "Religion is the opiate of the people."

    Now where did I put my foil hat?

    My other option is to attack the mass hypocrisies that make it OK to feed even small children a steady diet of violence and made-for-TV sexual ethnics, but to withhold basic heath information from people who need it.


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    Rose White, your links are awesome!


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    Default Re: Pleae help me wriet a blog about abstinence education in schools.

    How about abstinence only plus masturbation as birth control? It seems reasonable to me that if you are going to tell kids "don't do it" you should at least give them an alternative to relieve the stress of sexual pressure, right? Otherwise you have hot and horny kids with no place to turn for relief.

    So, the smart ass that I am, be for abstinence teaching only if it includes an extensive program on how to self pleasure, safely.


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    ^^ Don't forget, though, Paris, that SURGEON GENERALS of the United States have been FIRED for suggesting such an outlandish thing. And this was under the Clinton Administration! Do you really think that sanctioning masturbation, sensible as it may seem to sane people, could possibly fly in Bush's America?

    Poor, poor Dr. Jocelyn Elders. That was just a total travesty and shame. Her thoughts on it, after the fact, can be read here if you're interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    Here's a story that is a result of lack of sex ed in Texas:

    My aunt used to work for a crisis hotline. One day, a 15-year old girl called up, very upset, because she was pregnant even while using birth control pills. She and her boyfriend decided to share responsibility, so she took the pills the first month, he took the pills the second month, and they alternated. Neither of them had any idea that pills are for women only, how they worked, or that they require 6 weeks to kick in. That's abstinence ed for you, folks. My aunt can testify that the teen pregnancy rates increased after the abstinence-ed policy was instated.
    That story is soo crazy to me! omg, i can't imagine.

    But what do you mean the birth control pills take 6 weeks to kick in?
    I take yasmin bc pills and when you first begin you start the pack on the first day of your period and then you are suppossed to be protected. If you take it on the first sunday instead of the first day then it says you only need a different form of protection for one week.

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    ^They'd generally tell people to wait 6 weeks. Maybe that's an old practice now.

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    Default Re: Pleae help me wriet a blog about abstinence education in schools.

    1. Look at my post and the others in this thread: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92475 and note how the ignorance level of teenagers contributed to their pregnancies. In particular, the girl who said, "They told me not to do it, but they never told me what it was." This was a real girl! She could not abstain from intercourse becasue she didn't know what intercourse was. It was just a logical extension of making out and she thought it was fun. woluld it have helped her to have taught the specifics of intercourse? I think it is likely.

    2. Some high school students are already married, and others will get married soon after they graduate. Don't they need to know how to get pregnant and how to not get pregnant? Just teaching a student this information does not mean they will use it immediately, but when the time comes, they will have the knowledge they need.

    However, do not expect to get anywhere with your pressure on our elected officials. They get more votes from the right wing by insisting on abstinence only than they will ever get from anyone else by being sensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    ^They'd generally tell people to wait 6 weeks. Maybe that's an old practice now.
    It's two weeks now. I started mine about a year ago.

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    In countries where there's more openness about sexuality in the schools, there are lower rates of teen pregnancies, abortions and sexually transmitted diseases. This has been shown over and over again. The US's backward stance on sex ed is only hurting kids. Why won't they listen to facts?

    This stuff really makes my blood boil. It's unbelievable that so many people running our country are so backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    ^^ Don't forget, though, Paris, that SURGEON GENERALS of the United States have been FIRED for suggesting such an outlandish thing. And this was under the Clinton Administration! Do you really think that sanctioning masturbation, sensible as it may seem to sane people, could possibly fly in Bush's America?

    Poor, poor Dr. Jocelyn Elders. That was just a total travesty and shame. Her thoughts on it, after the fact, can be read here if you're interested.
    We still might be another 15 years away from this becoming accepted. I was just thinking how funny it would be to see the looks on the faces of the educators when they are told they need to teach their students to masturbate.


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    You'd think at the very least, they'd be comfortable with teaching kids the parts of the anatomy. How many guys have no idea where or what a clitoris is? When I was 19 I dated a guy who thought that I had to remove my tampon to pee. He had no idea there was another hole down there.

    They want to pretend teenagers have barbie parts down there.

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    Penn and Teller's Bullshit had a great episode on abstinence only education. It does come off very strongly (I mean with a title like that you'd expect it) but they have some great interviews with the Surgeon General who was fired during the Clinton Era and someone from Planned Parenthood.

    Oh, heres a short clip: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6row3Z7CTf4

    It's not the most reliable source for an academic sounding paper but its entertaining . I almost feel catharsis occur sometimes through watching them rant and rave.

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