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    Quote Originally Posted by KentuckyMysteryMan View Post
    I have read studies where it says that a lack of testosterone in a male fetus causes the baby to be homosexual and vice versa for a female baby.
    Hmm so do you really believe that all gay males are "flamboyant" and all women are "manly"
    (yes genius I'm well aware you didn't call women manly BUT since you wanted to throw in the "research" that you've read about testosterone and lack thereof, I chose this word)

    What I find as so amusing is how many men there are who are in the "life" just not open about it (ie. downlow) KentuckyMysteryMan, I woudln't be surprised if some of your friends/family members were also gay men. They are just in the closet because of people like you.

    I'm done posting to you now. You're just a young country boy, set in his country ways. I hope you take the time out to read more, and learn more about society and life in general. You obviously need a wakeup call..

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    Actually, yes I do have a bi sexual family member. And, he does kinda act feminine to be honest and he sounds feminine too. But, ok, have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KentuckyMysteryMan View Post
    Jenny, lol...contrary to your belief, I am not pro-homosexual...lol...I am not for homosexual marraige. I'm just saying that's why I think they are bi or homo. I have read studies where it says that a lack of testosterone in a male fetus causes the baby to be homosexual and vice versa for a female baby.
    And I'm sure you are very learned and wise on the subject of biology. I'm sure that queers everywhere bow to your superior knowledge of what makes them gay. (Rejoice all!)

    As for being a homophobe... congratulations! If only more people would speak up about being intolerant and couch that intolerance and sheer distaste as concern for the socio-political well being of a minority population. I wish more people were like you. And in my opinion - all the more reason for them to sit down and shut up and act straight. I mean the homophobic population to whom they should be answering MUST find such displays icky to say the least.
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    Jenny, while I appreciate your compliments, I do not consider myself homophobic. If someone is homo or bi, then they are. It's hard for them to act straight. I mean, I can't hardly act homosexual. End of story. Later ladies.
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    I did not mean to start a volatile thread. I was just ranting about how sad and angry it makes me feel when people go out of their way to persecute others who are merely celebrating who they are. I had a strong reaction to it and I wanted to discuss it. It's pretty coincidental that someone would post insane stereotypes and theories. I'm not going to debate the appropriateness of joyful celebrations with people who are clearly ignorant morons (but I will call you an ignorant moron). As for your question Paris I don't think the pro-lifers were supporting the festivities because they were all clumped together with the "gays are going to hell" protestors.

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    Sun child, yes that's why I am not discussing this anymore. I won't discuss this anymore with people who are ignorant.

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    What? No more of your wisdom and guidance on human sexuality?
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    I'm off to the gym to get some more testosterone. Yeah! Bye! (flexes bicep)

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    I love the "I'm not mad that people are gay! More pussy for me!" line of reasoning Kentucky man uses. I think we should all consider his locale and just sigh. PRICELESS!

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    My brother is gay and I love him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Yes, these pesky minorities whose inclusion in recent society has been marked by persecution and retaliation, both criminal and social, wanting to express open-ness and pride in their community, and take one stupid week to be "gay in public", and invite the community at large to participate and celebrate with them. I could see how that could devastate gay rights. They're all just attention whores.



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    ...We can have a big, flamboyantly gay Canadian wedding. On a float in the pride parade! With much rainbow paraphernalia and glitter. And naked wedding cake wrestling.

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    As I said in an earlier thread today, I don't post here too often (mostly a lurker), but there's been some good topics this week. Anyway, I won't add to the pride parade debate, pretty much everything has already been said. However, ftr I'm straight but pretty much grew up next to Boystown in Chicago...and whether you're gay, straight, bi, etc., there's no denying that the pride parade is a great party.

    On another interesting note, when I was in law school and taking family law classes, the professor wasn't shy about expressing her beliefs on the hypocrisy of anti-gay marriage laws, and she often put it this way.

    While anti-gay marriage advocates often stress that marriage is founded in the judeo-christian ideal of a man and a woman, consider this:

    The constitution protects the right to marry for heterosexuals who are atheists.

    The constitution protects the right to marry for heterosexuals who are unable to have children, or don't want children.

    The constitution protects the right to marry for heterosexuals who are communists.

    The constitution often protects the right to marry for heterosexuals who have been convicted of a felony.

    Put another way, the government really doesn't care if you hate god, hate kids, hate capitolism and hate the good ol' U.S. of A....just as long as you're matching up a penis and a vagina on your wedding day. But god forbid a republican gay couple (yes they do exist) wants to enter a lifelong commitment and raise a couple kids with a white picket fence.
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    ^^Good point JelloB...you're professor is awesome!







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    Quote Originally Posted by sun child View Post
    I love the "I'm not mad that people are gay! More pussy for me!" line of reasoning Kentucky man uses. I think we should all consider his locale and just sigh. PRICELESS!

    I think he really meant "more pussy that would be theoretically for me, even though in reality they wouldnt touch me even if a pluage wiped out all the males in the Hemisphere except for me".

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    10 Reasons Gay Marriage Is Wrong

    Pink Panthers:

    1. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

    2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

    3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

    4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

    5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed [or any of Rush Limbaugh’s four marriages that ended in divorce].

    6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

    7. Gay parents who DO raise children obviously will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

    8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

    9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

    10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

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    Just wanna throw my little two cents in...Just to let you know I am straight but I'm not like a homophob or nothing...I just think that people shouldn't be flamed for not agreeing with gay marriage. It's their opinion. However, when they make a big scene like the OP was talking about and holding up signs calling people "faggot" and whatever, that's a whole other story. But just because someone doesn't or does support gay rights, they shouldn't be shot down. I myself am neutral...I live my life and wish people would live theirs too.

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    It's an expression of community and freedom from persecution. At this point it is also a way to bring the greater community closer to them, to show that they exist in some fair numbers and to increase participation between the hetero/homo communities. What could possibly be embarrassing about that?
    The idea is that instead of polarizing and alienating substantial (arguably, numerically declining) segments of the population with Castro-street type demonstrations, a better PR effort could be made by saying, "Hey, dumbass, I'm your accountant, your garbage man, your city engineer," instead of saying, "Hey, dumbass, check me out in my leather thong and beret and nothing else! And like it!" That's not a great way to "increase participation" in a community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    Just wanna throw my little two cents in...Just to let you know I am straight but I'm not like a homophob or nothing...I just think that people shouldn't be flamed for not agreeing with gay marriage. It's their opinion. However, when they make a big scene like the OP was talking about and holding up signs calling people "faggot" and whatever, that's a whole other story. But just because someone doesn't or does support gay rights, they shouldn't be shot down. I myself am neutral...I live my life and wish people would live theirs too.
    Sorry, I can't get on board with this. I can't take a "live and let live" and "it's a matter of opinion" when the issue is one of fundamental human rights and dignity. I think people should absolutely be flamed for "not supporting gay rights". I also think people should be flamed for suggesting that Asian men should not be allowed to work in the vicinity of white women and for suggesting that blacks should have to ride at the back of the bus and that women shouldn't be able to vote.
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    The idea is that instead of polarizing and alienating substantial (arguably, numerically declining) segments of the population with Castro-street type demonstrations, a better PR effort could be made by saying, "Hey, dumbass, I'm your accountant, your garbage man, your city engineer," instead of saying, "Hey, dumbass, check me out in my leather thong and beret and nothing else! And like it!" That's not a great way to "increase participation" in a community.
    And yet - it seems to work pretty well for everyone who is not terminally constipated. My city loves its gay pride. (except for some hard core people who really hate all the corporate sponsorship). Being gay is defined by sexuality and sexual preference. There is nothing wrong with making that an issue in the celebration. But we know - strip club customers are really fastidious. It's all good and healthy and empowering to express sexuality - as long its in dark rooms and on your terms and in ways you find titillating or palatable. Everyone else should shut the hell up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Sorry, I can't get on board with this. I can't take a "live and let live" and "it's a matter of opinion" when the issue is one of fundamental human rights and dignity. I think people should absolutely be flamed for "not supporting gay rights". I also think people should be flamed for suggesting that Asian men should not be allowed to work in the vicinity of white women and for suggesting that blacks should have to ride at the back of the bus and that women shouldn't be able to vote.
    If someone has an opinion, and they keep it to themselves without making big public protests, no they should not get flamed. Everyone does not think like you do. Just because someone chooses not to support something they don't believe in doesn't mean they deserved to be labeled as "hateful" or "prejudice" or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    If someone has an opinion, and they keep it to themselves without making big public protests, no they should not get flamed. Everyone does not think like you do.
    No indeed, they don't. That doesn't change the fact that rights of equality the right to human dignity are absolutely fundamental. Although - if people were truly "keeping it to themselves" the opportunity for flaming would never come up. Further - how can you possibly argue that it is good and right or neutral to hold beliefs but not to publicly demonstrate them? Like it is okay to be a bigot so long as you don't make a sign?
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    Lucki - Thats how things receive change in this country when strong opinions clash. Some outcomes are good and others are not.

    Yet, I wonder if MLK kept his opinion quiet? If Susan B. Anthony had said and did nothing? Where would we be? Sometimes big things must happen before change is then allowed.
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    Well whatever Jenny, all I was doing was posting my opinion, which I don't feel my opinion is wrong. We'll agree to disagree.

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    But we know - strip club customers are really fastidious. It's all good and healthy and empowering to express sexuality - as long its in dark rooms and on your terms and in ways you find titillating or palatable. Everyone else should shut the hell up.
    Lame and typical deflection on your part, but the fact remains the same; as a minority group, you either want that "increased participation" of which you spoke in the broader context of the community, or you seek to separate and alienate yourselves collectively from that community. One is more eminently more productive than the other.

    If you really want the other 90% of the population to believe you're just like them only slightly different, then show them. People do it all the time every day in ways large and small, but what flies for a parade in Key West might not exactly go over as well in West Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    The idea is that instead of polarizing and alienating substantial (arguably, numerically declining) segments of the population with Castro-street type demonstrations, a better PR effort could be made by saying, "Hey, dumbass, I'm your accountant, your garbage man, your city engineer," instead of saying, "Hey, dumbass, check me out in my leather thong and beret and nothing else! And like it!" That's not a great way to "increase participation" in a community.
    There's a few problems with that argument. First off, the type of "pr marketing" your talking about does take place the other 364 days a year. There's thousands and thousands of gay and lesbians living open lifestyles as accountants, plumbers, etc.; and many of these people partake in professional "gay" associations for that exact purpose to show that homosexuals aren't just interior decorators and stylists.

    Second, this is a one day a year event, and it's designed to be a celebration, which can serve a number of purposes. While the aforementioned associations can do good work, sometimes a big open party does a lot more to grab the public's attention. Additionally, celebration's promote openess, and it's really empowering for many closeted individuals. Simply put, while the quieter statements can have an impact, sometimes you need a big explosion.

    Third, pretty much every minority group has a day to celebrate their heritage and/or diversity, why should we treat pride parade's any differently? The pat response to this always seems to be that "whites" don't have a pride day, which is bullshit if you really think about it. There's St. Patrick's day for the Irish, Cashmere Pulaski day for the Polish, Octoberfest for Germans, etc. White may be a common color, but even us "whites" come from diverse ethinic backgrounds who openly celebrate our heritage.

    And last, how is the parade doing any harm? It's basically a huge party that celebrates acceptance. Is it appropriate for kids? Not always, but then again neither is Mardi Gras. Not everything has to reduced to what's fit for a child.

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