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    I have been talking about this with friends for awhile now. Finally someone in Washington that seems to really get it and not just white wash it.

    Obama promises sweeping government reform

    By Holly Ramer, Associated Press Writer | June 22, 2007
    MANCHESTER, N.H. --Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Friday he will clean up Washington on his first day in office with a government reform package aimed at reducing the growing power of lobbyists.

    "It's time to renew a people's politics in this country -- to ensure that the hopes and concerns of average Americans speak louder in Washington than the hallway whispers of high-priced lobbyists," he said.

    The Illinois senator said he will ban political appointees who leave their jobs during his administration from lobbying the executive branch for the remainder of his time in office. Those who join his administration will not be able to work on regulations or contracts directly related to their former employers for two years.

    "When I am president, I will make it absolutely clear that working in an Obama administration is not about serving your former employer, your future employer or your bank account -- it's about serving your country, and that's what comes first," he said at New Hampshire Community Technical College.
    Under the current administration, Washington lobbyists have turned government "into a game only they can afford to play," Obama said. "A game played on a field that's no longer level, but rigged to always favor their own narrow agendas."

    "In our democracy, the price of access and influence should be nothing more than your voice and your vote," he said. "That should be enough for health care reform. That should be enough for a real energy policy."
    Obama's plan also calls for ending the abuse of no-bid contracts, restoring objectivity to the executive branch and increasing public access to information.

    He promised to post any non-emergency bill on the Internet for five days before signing it to give the public a chance to review and comment. Videos of agency meetings also would be available online, and communications about regulatory policy-making between White House staff and people outside government would be made public.


    New Hampshire speech, Obama quoted President Teddy Roosevelt, who said, "The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
    He said American again needs the kind of leadership Roosevelt provided when he broke up the trusts and monopolies that ruled during the Gilded Age.
    "We need a president who sees government not as a tool to enrich well-connected friends and high-priced lobbyists, but as the defender of fairness and opportunity for every American," he said.

    Obama acknowledged that such promises are common but said he has the experience and will to follow through.

    "It's easy to be cynical -- to believe that change isn't possible; that the odds are too great; that this year is bound to be no different from the last. But I also know what I've seen and what I've done," he said. "I know that for me, reform isn't just the rhetoric of a campaign; it's been a cause of my career."


    From NBC's Mark Murray
    On the eve of his speech on good government in New Hampshire, Obama today has put up a list on his Senate Web site of all the proposed earmarks (more than a hundred by our count) he has requested for this year's appropriations as a way to inject more transparency in government. As the Chicago Tribune wrote earlier this morning, Obama is the first presidential candidate to do this.
    Perhaps not surprisingly, Obama's campaign is now challenging the other presidential candidates to also list their earmarks. "As a matter of transparency and good government, Obama thinks it's important that voters know who their candidates are, what their sources of income are, and whether they have any potential conflicts," spokesman Bill Burton says. "We would hope that other candidates follow suit in disclosing their earmarks as well."
    This isn't the first time that earmark challenges have come up in the presidential contest. Last week, McCain held a press conference to lambaste Hillary Clinton for larding a defense appropriations bill with pork. "We can't do this earmarking and pork-barreling if we ever are going to be careful and serious stewards of the taxpayers' dollars," McCain said.


    I really like Obama alot. The speech in New Hampshire was great! If you would like to watch it, it is on his website. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/corruption/ Hopefully nothing horrible will happen to Obama. Anyone who talks real change in Washington under goes a smear campaign or worse. He can talk the talk lets see if he can walk the walk.
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    Can a guy who appears to be this genuine and honest really win? Will people think he's too good to be true and vote against him because of it?

    I like him more with time, but I still have my doubts as to whether he can actually win. I still think he's making a hell of a name for himself for future state elections...

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    If he ascends to the Office of President of the United States, Barack Obama will have his work cut out for him. I believe that the true "gangstas" and pimps have operated in Washington D.C. for decades, most recently claiming sets like Halliburton and Enron. I'll give our current Vice President his street cred where it's due, though. Who can forget how when questioned on the Senate floor in 2004 by Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy about profiteering by Halliburton and President Bush's judicial nominees, O.G. Cheney offered Leahy the following thug advice: "Go fuck yourself!"

    IMO, the buffoonery of President Bush is a calculated facade. He is actually a shrewd politician who is willing to make himself the butt of jokes while fronting for global carpetbaggers like his father, George, Sr. (who we can also thank for bringing crack to Plymouth Rock via Ollie North & Co during his watch as C.I.A. chief) and industrialist scumbuckets like O.G./V.P. Dick Cheney (a.k.a."The Notorious D.I.C.K.I.E.")...

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    On other forums people are saying if he wins they will probably assinate him.

    Both sides will conspire against him so he doesnt even see the final race.

    But all in all i think people are so fed up that he has a reall good chance.
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    They all say it. He's not the first politician to decry corruption, but once they're elected they all get comfortable and want to stay there. Just look at "Benedict Arnold" Schwarzenegger. Politicians are not accountable to the electorate, they are accountable to corporate lobbyists, and they all discover that shortly after election if they didn't know it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Just look at "Benedict Arnold" Schwarzenegger. Politicians are not accountable to the electorate, they are accountable to corporate lobbyists, and they all discover that shortly after election if they didn't know it already.
    Amen, Yek! R.I.P. Collyfornia Electorate

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    I know, I was so happy in Kahleeforniya. I voted TWICE for that traitor. And he betrayed us.

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    IMHO this is not a question of whether or not Barack would change things for the better after he is elected. Historically, candidates have made promises to the general public (most recently Nancy Pelosi's first 100 days), but once in office accomplish essentially nothing in the way of promised changes. Also, historically, such candidates DO wind up making other changes that were not promised or that were specifically denied during the campaign (most recent example massive tax increases).

    Thus the REAL question is whether the majority of US registered voters will again 'believe' candidates promises as to what they will and will not do if elected !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Thus the REAL question is whether the majority of US registered voters will again 'believe' candidates promises as to what they will and will not do if elected !
    hahha i want to start singing annie.... "in every pot he said, 'a chicken...' not only don't we have the chicken, we ain't got the pot!"

    hhhahaaaa ... O.G. Cheney.

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    At least they are bringing up the issues that are important to people and have some form of sincerity.

    Unlike Bush, all he can do is show arrogant righteousness.

    At the end of the day, all that matters is the fact anything is better than Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vamp View Post
    At the end of the day, all that matters is the fact anything is better than Bush.
    I dunno about that, 'cause I love bush! (the kind with the lower case "B")

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    ^^^ in the interests of equal time, I am not so sure that Americans will be all that happy with the actions taken by the current Democratic congress ... i.e. massive future income tax increases via failure of this congress to renew GWB's tax cuts, massive new 'stealth' taxes on oil and gasoline to subsidize ethanol etc. I will credit the current congress with having some brains though ... because their actions allow these tax increases to be gradually phased in over a period of years in hopes that the majority of registered US voters won't 'connect the dots'. Thus most voters won't know which politicians were actually responsible for grabbing more money out of their paychecks 2-3 years from now, and most voters will continue to buy into the mainstream media premise that it is the oil companies who are causing oil and gasoline prices to rise sky high vs soon having to pay $1 per gallon in 'stealth' taxes.

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    ^^^
    Melonie:
    IMO, your analysis is cynically astute and glaringly highlights the bipartisan deceptions and duplicity rampant at the "big leagues" level of American politics. Unless they are directly competing for an office--or an orifice--those politicians in a position to manipulate the mainstream media will choose a path that generates the maximum flash and/or the minimum splash. Hence, the "stealth" taxes to which you refer. Your scenario resembles the diversions in "Wag The Dog"--except that Congress will ultimately "Wag The Tank"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vamp View Post
    On other forums people are saying if he wins they will probably assinate him.
    Who will assasinate him I LOVE him! I'm applying to hold position for the Obama campaign at my school in the fall.







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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    Who will assasinate him I LOVE him! I'm applying to hold position for the Obama campaign at my school in the fall.
    Between him wanting major reform and being the first black president, there is alot of people who would want to.

    I love Obama too. But I also like Ron Paul amazingly enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budai View Post
    I dunno about that, 'cause I love bush! (the kind with the lower case "B")

    I prefer smmmmmmmmmmmmooooootttttthhhhh lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ in the interests of equal time, I am not so sure that Americans will be all that happy with the actions taken by the current Democratic congress ... i.e. massive future income tax increases via failure of this congress to renew GWB's tax cuts, massive new 'stealth' taxes on oil and gasoline to subsidize ethanol etc. I will credit the current congress with having some brains though ... because their actions allow these tax increases to be gradually phased in over a period of years in hopes that the majority of registered US voters won't 'connect the dots'. Thus most voters won't know which politicians were actually responsible for grabbing more money out of their paychecks 2-3 years from now, and most voters will continue to buy into the mainstream media premise that it is the oil companies who are causing oil and gasoline prices to rise sky high vs soon having to pay $1 per gallon in 'stealth' taxes.
    Well considering the huge defict Bust created and his tax cuts, if left untouched, would keep us with this defict forever. I wont mention the fact of who those tax cuts really went to.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/washington/18oil.html

    WASHINGTON, June 16 — Senate Democrats are seeking a major reversal of energy tax policies that would take billions of dollars in tax breaks and other benefits from the oil industry to underwrite renewable fuels.
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    again in the interests of equal time ...



    (snip)"A review of S. 1419, including the just-completed section on tax changes, reveals that the bill could increase the price of regular unleaded gasoline from $3.14 per gallon (the early May national average) to $6.40 in 2016 — a 104 percent increase,” write Heritage Foundation researchers William W. Beach and Shanea Watkins.

    “Gas consumers can expect to pay between $3.16 and $3.79 a gallon for gas in 2008 after adding in the estimated impact of the Senate energy bill. By 2016, all states can expect gas prices in excess of $6. As a result of S. 1419, consumers would spend an average of $1445 more per year on gasoline in 2016 than in 2008,” they write.

    With the the concurrence of the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, Charles Grassley of Iowa, and others (Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Pat Roberts of Kansas, all Republican), the committee is proposing $29 billion in new taxes on oil companies. The tax is to subsidize wind and solar power, hybrid vehicles and biofuel. The bill calls for a sharp increase in the use “renewables,” including heavily-subsidized ethanol, up from 8.5 billion gallons next year to 36 billion gallons by 2022. And it requires, too, that utilities would be required to buy at least 15 percent of their energy from wind, solar and other “renewable” sources.

    Ethanol requires more energy to produce than it generates as fuel, to say nothing of the water required for irrigation in areas like drought-stricken South Georgia. It’s subsidized by taxpayers with a 51-cents per gallon tax credit, and it’s subsidized again at the pump with a 54-cents-a-gallon tariff on imported ethanol. Go figure."(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I know, I was so happy in Kahleeforniya. I voted TWICE for that traitor. And he betrayed us.
    How did he betray you? From an outsider he's doing a damn good job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Budai View Post
    ^^^
    Melonie:
    IMO, your analysis is cynically astute and glaringly highlights the bipartisan deceptions and duplicity rampant at the "big leagues" level of American politics. Unless they are directly competing for an office--or an orifice--those politicians in a position to manipulate the mainstream media will choose a path that generates the maximum flash and/or the minimum splash. Hence, the "stealth" taxes to which you refer. Your scenario resembles the diversions in "Wag The Dog"--except that Congress will ultimately "Wag The Tank"...
    Well said!


    Here's another reason to like Obama, he called out the Religious Right:
    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...159.shtml?s=po

    Sen. Barack Obama told a church convention Saturday that some right-wing evangelical leaders have exploited and politicized religious beliefs in an effort to sow division.

    "Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and faith started being used to drive us apart," the Democratic presidential candidate said in a 30-minute speech before the national meeting of the United Church of Christ.

    "Faith got hijacked, partly because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, all too eager to exploit what divides us," the Illinois senator said.
    "At every opportunity, they've told evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage, school prayer and intelligent design," according to an advance copy of his speech.

    "There was even a time when the Christian Coalition determined that its number one legislative priority was tax cuts for the rich," Obama said. "I don't know what Bible they're reading, but it doesn't jibe with my version."

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    A Hillary Clinton Presidential- Barak Obama Vice President ticket would create a parallax in which no one would try to assassinate either if they won- she's the old hand with an image problem and he's the maverick with not much image to speak of..... She's already been in the White House and everyone's too scared to see him in there- it's perfect! "The whole is more than the sum of its parts."

    I'm not the first to say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    A Hillary Clinton Presidential- Barak Obama Vice President ticket would create a parallax in which no one would try to assassinate either if they won...
    madmaxine:
    I hear you loud and clear! On the other hand, either President Clinton or President Obama would be quite safe with someone like Dan Quayle (former VP under Bush, Sr. from 1989-93) occupying the titular office of Vice President. IMO, Quayle's public comments made our current President G. Dubya sound like a Nobel Prize physicist...

    Quayle Samples:
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
    "Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."
    "I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix."

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    Actually, a democratic presidential ticket of Hilary + Barack is extremely likely. I would be strongly inclined to vote for this ticket ... because it would virtually guarantee that federal tax revenue would be extracted from taxpayers in the 'other' 48 states and spent in New York and Illinois !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head
    How did he betray you? From an outsider he's doing a damn good job.
    He ran as a conservative, swore to keep himself above lobbies, etc. There was a famous clip of him saying, "Special interests have a stranglehold on California," and vowing to put a stop to the relentless kowtowing to those special interests. Now kowtowing is all he does; he tries so hard to please everyone that he doesn't please anyone. He's a conservative in name only and he isn't accomplishing a damn thing but rhetoric. He's completely violated those of us who believed in him. The liberals are pissed off at him, the conservatives are pissed off at him, and those in the middle agree he's just like every other politician. He's coming to be known as Benedict Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine
    A Hillary Clinton Presidential- Barak Obama Vice President ticket would create a parallax in which no one would try to assassinate either if they won...
    Bwahaha, and if they managed to kill both of them, Nancy Pelosi would be the next in line! Heaven forfend! That would definitely be one assassination-proof administration!

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