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    I read a marketing and sales book recently. In it, it mentioned that you really should pay attention to what the new people think you do wrong because, from a new perspective, it could be. Such as, a cook won't change his order of culinary utensils around because 'that's the way it's always been' or he's just never thought about it.. and a newbie can come along and rearrange and suddenly the cook is working at a 30% better rate! Basically, introducing a newer, fresher perspective into your business and utilizing some of the ideas can actually be beneficial to an older company.... so...

    Girls who are brand new... what have you noticed?


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    Oh hello. Good idea for a thread.

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    ^ yeah, I've actually been meaning to make it for awhile. It was off a book about how to expand your mind and your lifestyle. Instead of shunning people new to the workforce it talked about embracing them and learning from them as they come with new input that's not always clouded by the judgement of working in one area for a long time. It causes the mentality of 'it just is' out of business practices and invites new ideas.

    Hey, let's see if it works!

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    Default Re: newbies, where do we go wrong?

    when i was a newbie the most noticable thing was the bad attitudes towards customers. but now i have one myself....

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    well don't take my word.....buy I think this might just be an "it just is" kind of business.....I've not learned a thing from a new girl myself. I think that the veterans really *are* a goldmine for helpful money making info.....I don't think us newbies have anything on you! We may be new, but I don't think that the work changes all that much.....just notice the nuances of custies, and follow what you already know! That's the way I've done better.....listening to all of you!

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    All I've really noticed is too many girls that get too involved in everybody and DRAMA. Aside from that I'm just that new...and I don't think theres much to learn from me Oh and girls that get rip roaring passing out on a custies lap drunk every night...but I think thats pretty common sense.


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    I mentioned this back when I was knew n I'll say it again- not enough stripTEASE in stripping lately! Lotta girls I see just whip it off, tsk.

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    I notice girls being very distant and unfriendly during their tip walk, when I would assume it's better to seem sweet as sugar for that first impression.

    Also, girls who sit in clusters together in front of the bar. No one is going to approach any of you!!

    ... and that's all I can think of so far.

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    Well, here's what I learned tonight. (My second night ever working.) There was only one other girl working with me. I won't go into details, but we can pick the type of music we want to dance to. Whatever our preference, they'll play those types of songs for our sets all night. Well the other girl dances to rock/metal and I prefer hip hop. At the very end of the night, we both did our last sets. She went before me. There was a group of 3 chillin' 'til close and you could tell they were just hip hop kind of people. After she went on stage one of them walked by and said something to the degree of, "I can't deal with this rock shit!" So I said, "I dance to hip hop and I'm up next. Do you have any requests?" So he talked to the DJ. I don't think they tipped her at all but I got $11 just from them on the first song! So, I'm sure you already know it, but it seems music makes a difference. If you can change it up for the right crowds, I'll bet it'd pay off. And sorry this was so long. =P

    The only other thing I can think of is that if you're not so great at climbing up the pole, it looks a lil funny. I've heard it from friends too. Makes girls look inexperienced and customers don't like to think about how much effort girls put in to doing what they do sometimes. On the other hand, practice makes perfect.

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    Alot of veterans tell newbies to dance sexy and slow. This is not always the case(unless you are uncomfortable with dancing a faster pace)I was told this when i was a newbie as well. My stage shows are high energy and they pay off well for me.

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    ^^that's good advice! I think it's good to judge this sort of stuff by your audience.

    Oh, I edited this to add, that slow and sexy is good advice for the lapdances!
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    From what I see right now is that many dancers never bother to switch up there dance routine,it gets pretty boring after awhile and they can't stop playing one song so you hear it every time they go up.A lot of girls seriously just group together and sit,no man in their right mind would have the balls to approach that many dancers.Another thing I see is many girls don't add any sexiness towards taking of their clothes,basically it looks like they take off their clothes for when they are in a locker room or something,where's the tease in that?I don't find that attractive at all.There are also a couple dancers that I see who dance just a little too fast for the song,it looks like she is trying to keep up with every word coming out of the singer's mouth lol.Sorry it's long but I just wanted to point out somethings for you.I plan to start dancing within a month.But yeah that's what I have noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky View Post
    Alot of veterans tell newbies to dance sexy and slow. This is not always the case(unless you are uncomfortable with dancing a faster pace)I was told this when i was a newbie as well. My stage shows are high energy and they pay off well for me.

    Same here! I had a veteran tell me the exact same thing when I was a newb....but I LOVE actually ENTERTAINING the crowd, so I continued to do my thing. I make descent money on stage. People also ask me for dances right after my performance as I am stepping off, or even as soon I approach them while I'm still mid- performance. I love pumping 'em up.



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    There have been a lot of newbs lately due to the summer let out...and from observing the lot (what I see go wrong):

    *bad stripper clothes (ill fitting, bad taste colors, or just plain wrong for their persona)

    *bad wigs and hair extensions

    *terribly fake stripper personas, the classic art project experiment song and dance (literally)

    *doing too much for $10 floor dances

    *poor attitudes, drama starters, ass kissers

    *poor perceptions on the business

    Obviously, these girls are newbs and these things should be written off...but after a while you'd think these problems would clear up or at least lighten up. I've witnessed several girls fall into the holes in the floor so to speak, unwilling to take advice and so literally confused about what they are even doing. Too many people get in for the wrong reasons and stay in for even worse reasons such as drugs, boyfriend, and self esteem.

    I'm just really glad I'm not a newb anymore, bc I wouldn't want to be one at this junction in time. LOL...
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    I am not new anymore but looking back to when I was I realized that I didnt care what other people thought of me. As in, when I first started I SUCKED on stage big time, I know it now but I didnt know it then. I thought I was hot shit and I didnt care who was watching as in customers or other girls....I mean I was nervous but I wasnt self-conscious for some reason. I guess I didnt know that all the girls sit around and watch/make fun of new girls sucking on stage....

    Now it seems that I am more conscious when it comes to who is actually watching, and does it look good/sexy, am I gonna have some guys come to my stage, are alot of other dancers watching.... back then I didnt care AT ALL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mileia777 View Post
    Same here! I had a veteran tell me the exact same thing when I was a newb....but I LOVE actually ENTERTAINING the crowd, so I continued to do my thing. I make descent money on stage. People also ask me for dances right after my performance as I am stepping off, or even as soon I approach them while I'm still mid- performance. I love pumping 'em up.
    I was told the same exact thing. Both in person AND on here. Now I'm a showgirl. A slow stage gets me fired!


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    I think slow and sexy is good advice for a newbie. Simply because a lot of new girls tend to do stage dancing liek club dancing, and it just isn't sexy. Until they can learn their own sexy style, weatehr it be slow or fast, slow and sexy is a good way to go. I was told to slow it down, and it helped me enormously. Now i can dance fast and sexy, with energy, and put on a good show, but it took me awhile to learn how to dance as a stripper, instead of in a nightclub.


    I think the best advice I would give a veteran stripper that I have come to learn is that veteran strippers ( or at least, me) tend to overthink things, while newbies just do it. When I was new, I just had fun, and did my thing. Now it's all abtou how to hustle better, how to increase my money makign potential, constantly thinkiong. When I was new - I just did it. I didnt think, I didn't worry, I just had fun.

    It is good to treat this as a job not a party, but at the same time, if you overthink things to much, it can affect your hustle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky View Post
    Alot of veterans tell newbies to dance sexy and slow. This is not always the case(unless you are uncomfortable with dancing a faster pace)I was told this when i was a newbie as well. My stage shows are high energy and they pay off well for me.
    I've noticed a few 'old school' girls who don't dance slow either. One is really upbeat and almost club like. One is almost gymnastic in her moves and skips around the pole before bouncing up to do a trick. Both of them bank! I think the trick is that they look graceful doing it, and smile a lot on stage.

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    I think the old school dancers are way more interesting to watch than girls my age or younger. Their stage moves tend to be more graceful.

    My only complaint is when some old school dancers LOOK old school.... in a bad way! Please, if you have a frizzy, bleach blonde SPIRAL PERM with 2" of roots showing, get rid of it! Nowadays that just screams trailer trash, not sex kitten. Spiral perm girls, straightening irons are your friend! lol

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    ya, and the g-strings hiked up over the hips...
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    What I first noticed as a newbie, was how many girls rarely or never smile. They hardly ever get approached and it's clear that they're not getting tipped as well as they should be. I try to remember that when I'm having a crappy night. If I smile, I'll make more money. It's so simple, but so important.

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    well heres my newb input.

    the girls should be nicer in general! to everyone it would make work so much more fun and enjoyable, im sure that would show to the customers if all the girls got along didnt hate eachother.

    my favorite, girls honestly do you really need to go THAT far for a dollar... sure you might get a dance after your set but its gross, stop.

    i agree with the song coment too, a crappy song no matter how much you like it will kill the mood for the whole club. i noticed this before i was dancing and was just a custy, i went to a mostly hip hop club and i like alot of rock but i just did not fit the mood of the people there and turned off everyone.i dont think she got tipped once.

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    What I have seen, and this might be just because I'm in a crappy town with only one strip club, but all the girls but ONE that I've been there, do nothing. The walk, do one turn around the pole, lean on the pole, then take their clothes off. They don't go near the customers, and they stay in that habit. Never imiproving, like they don't care. it's so BORING!!! OMG! Even my boyfriend was like, this sucks! There was only one girl who rocked the place, she was all over the customrs, like having fun with them, doing nice fast paced pole tricks, and she looked like she was having fun. And since we're in Canada, the bills she got handed were only as low as $5, and I saw numerous guys handing her bills and she treated each one with fun, personal entertainment from the stage. When I go up, I want to be like that. The guys flock to it. Well, from what I've seen.
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    Lack of eye contact, but I have noticed this with veterans too.

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