This is really sick...
This is really sick...





what is wrong with people?


That is so sad that they had to go through that. He had to loose his virginity with his mother and I just hope it didnt last long seriously i bet it was horrible for them and i hope all those guys get caught
After reading Kamryn Anne's experience, being poisoned last night and watching this... I disgusted by the world today.
A few days ago I read a newspaper article about 5 kids committing a serious of crimes here in Las Vegas, including pistol whipping a 75 year old Korean War Veteran and robbing a disabled person at gun point.
The grandma in this clip makes me mad- she says she doesn't know how her grandson could do something like this," but she "doesn't look shocked or surprised. These kids are seeds of violent criminals waiting to surface. Where are the parents and why didn't they prevent their kids from becoming such little monsters???





Holy crap...that's just sick! Ugh...horrible.
This kind of news makes me not ever want to bring children into this world. That is horrible.
Gee...I love living here more and more every freakin' day
And people wonder why I have guns...




That fucker needs to receive a thousand paper cuts and have salt rubbed into them....then locked up for life where hell get ripped a new asshole. Sick little bitch, shit like this pisses the fuck outta me. Fucking wack ass gangster wannabe piece of garbage. My condolences to the innocent kid and mom.
I don't. People suck, and here's a women who learned that the hard way:
Mary Carpenter, Grandmother of murdered children and gun rights advocate.
Mary Carpenter
April 20,2001
North Carolina General Assembly
To Whom It May Concern,
To my understanding you are debating the passage of laws requiring trigger locks and mandatory storage of guns. I am a second generation resident of the State of California, a mother and a grieving grandmother. I wish to express to you how trigger locks and mandatory storage laws in the State of California affected my family. I hope my testimony may save someone in your state from sharing the pain we must now endure for the remainder of our lives. No law you can pass will keep the irresponsible from shooting accidents or a felon from stealing a gun. I am enclosing a portion of a letter I wrote to my own state legislators concerning the constant progression of laws restricting our guns in my state.
Depending on whether or not you truly care, you may or may not recognize my name. I am the paternal grandmother of the two children who were brutally murdered inside their rural Merced California home on August 23, 2000 by a stranger with a pitchfork.
Instead of suing gun manufacturers, I am of the opinion it is our lawmakers who need to be sued. It was you who created the laws that kept my grandchildren from being able to defend themselves with any weapon greater than their bare hands. All of my son's children had been trained in the use of firearms but were unable to get to their Dad's weapon because of California State Law.
You, who have CCW permits or armed body guards, or both expect me to face a society gone mad because of drug altered brains and lax laws on the perpetrators of crime? You had no room in your prisons for the killer of my grandchildren though his wife had reported to the police in Mojave California in June of 1997 that he had forced her and their infant son into his car (kidnapping) while living in southern California? At that time she also reported how she had managed to escape from him in Mojave after he held a gun to her head (assault with a deadly weapon) threatening to kill her and their one-month-old child?
Though more recently she had given to the Dos Palos California Police Dept. the tape from her message minder threatening to kill her present husband? Though he had assaulted a police officer while resisting arrest for drug charges? Though he had violated his parole by not appearing at his hearing and they had a warrant out for his arrest? Though they knew where he lived, and also his mother and grandmother, yet failed to pick him up? Will you then find room for my son in your prisons should his fourteen year old daughter have access to his gun while she is babysitting her siblings?
There is a growing list, in my area alone, of people (mostly women) who might still be alive had they not been in a state where the use of a gun was prohibited. Juli Sund, Carole Sund, Selvina Pelosso, Joie Armstrong, Ashley and John William Carpenter to name a few. Lawmakers talk big about a woman's right to choose yet don't allow me the very basic right to choose to defend myself? If teachers were allowed to carry a concealed weapon to school you would see the school shootings disappear. The same is true with the citizen on the street. The reason is, these killers are cowards. You can tell by their choice of victims. They operate best where they know there are no guns.
Look at your child tonight and imagine him or her with their eyes jabbed out, their skulls splintered, their brains pierced, and their spines broken with the heavy tines of a spading fork. In defending her sisters to the death with the only weapon you allowed her, Ashley had 138 puncture wounds. Twenty-nine of them were on the right side of her face, five on the back of her head, and thirty-seven to her chest and lower neck. (Obviously he was trying to behead her.) She was nine years old. While committing no crime greater than sleeping in his parents bed, in his own house, John William, 7 years old, was stabbed 46 times, with most of them in the chest, neck, and head. Depending on the condition of your heart, you may or may not feel a small measure of the pain my family and I must endure for the remainder of our lives.
Now, imagine all the gun laws you can dream up and honestly admit whether or not they would have stopped such a mad dog as this. This man was a total stranger to the family, and other than a trace of marijuana, was not on drugs at the time. However, by the testimony of his wife and girlfriend, he was a drug user who became frightening whenever he used them. All your imagined gun laws will do is insure someone's children will die again. Take a drive downtown and see for yourself all the drug addled brains.
You may declare gun free zones, but you cannot declare killer free zones. This tragedy has made me realize I am not even safe in my locked home, my barn, or my backyard. I dare you to request the autopsy reports of John William & Ashley Danielle Carpenter done on August 28,2000 from Sheriff Tom Sawyer of the Merced County Sheriffs Dept. Also ask him for the police interview with the killer's wife and girlfriend telling about his drug use and devil worship. Ask Detective Parsley about his fetish for horror movies produced by a John Carpenter, (no relation to us), and one he especially liked, that we have learned depicts a killing done with a pitchfork.
His last employment was as a telemarketer in Merced. If you have an honest bone in your body you will see this country is in desperate need of a change of heart not the gun laws that have been in place for over two hundred years. All the gun laws you can imagine cannot change the heart of a killer and you know it. Until man's heart is changed, we will be like sheep led to the slaughter without our weapons of defense.
May you stand before God and man as my two precious grandchildren's killer if you pass any more gun legislation that will make me a felon should I own a handgun or any other gun for that matter.
Sincerely,
Mary Carpenter
A cunning linguist...
They don't care. They will shrug, say "oh my what a horrible thing" and "its a tough life." Then they will order a few more body guards.
The more cynical would say it's a plan to keep the populace in fear - because fear involves little thinking.
What might be even more disturbing are the comments on the web site. (They do not come up automatically - you need to click the comment link.)





Truly, an ugly scene...![]()
Unfortunately, what occurred is just the tip of the iceberg from an urban perspective. According to the reporter, residents of Dunbar Village, a low income housing project, are reluctant to provide eyewitness accounts for fear of retribution. Dunbar Village is not an evil place but, rather, a community in which an accretion of despair, anger and self-hatred gradually took form until it manifested as this shockingly barbaric act.
Dunbar Village is a place where kids like Evian Lawson enjoy the sense of power that only mob violence without fear of consequence engenders. It's the same mindset that leads assembled soldiers to commit wartime atrocities...
What is the potential cost of testifying against your neighbors when sensational crimes can draw only post mortem attention to one's plight? Behaving honorably would jeopardize not only brave witnesses but their families as well, since witness relocation programs are typically not an option in circumstances like this.
The immediate police response? Large flower pots blocking the entrance to Dunbar Village! WTF!!! We're spending billions on killing our own children and foreigners in faraway lands and then we "improve" places like Dunbar Village with fuckin' pottery? Evian Lawson is not just an embodiment of ill will; he is a troubling symptom of our country's failure to thrive at a basic level...![]()





"According to police, a group of teens cut the mother and son with sharp objects, broke a plate over the boy's head, poured cleaning solution into his eyes and forced him at gunpoint to participate in the sexual assault."
OMG, poor little boy.This is so fucking disgusting. I seriously hate ppl.





How would guns have averted the suffering of the 12 year-old and his mother without leading to tragedy?
If I was that mother...damn right I would have shot to kill. Considering the attackers used plates and household cleaner..I doubt they had firearms on them, so I would have had the upper hand. Someone who is well trained and a good shot could have taken them out. And here in FL(where this happened) killing them would have been perfectly legal. I wouldnt consider their deaths a tragedy...they brought it on themselves.
In that particular situation, would have been legal in any state.
WOMEN, 911 AND GUNS
American women are often taught to rely on emergency 911 police
responses in the event of physical aggression. Unfortunately, more
than 95 percent of 911 calls are not dispatched to police in time to
stop a crime or arrest a suspect.
This sad statistic is unlikely to improve significantly in the near
future because almost every state has ruled that police have no legal
obligation to protect citizens from crime.
The slowness of 911 emergency response -- and the ineffectiveness of
restraining orders issued by today's courts -- suggests that
self-defense may be a better option, according to attorneys Richard
Stevens, Hugo Teufel and Matthew Biscan.
"A woman with a firearm...can credibly threaten and deter an attacker
of any size, shape, or strength," they write in THE WOMEN'S
QUARTERLY. "Even though weaker and unskilled in the use of firearms,
she can sometimes protect herself with a sidearm without firing a
shot. In more than 92 percent of defensive gun uses, the defender
succeeds by firing only a warning shot or never firing the gun at
all." (The article is excerpted from their chapter in the Independent
Institute book LIBERTY FOR WOMEN: Freedom and Feminism in the
Twenty-first Century, edited by Wendy McElroy.)
The above may help explain why, in recent years, women have
reportedly purchased firearms and enrolled in gun-safety classes in
record numbers.
Stevens, Teufel and Biscan conclude: "Individual women in peril quite
frequently fare better when they develop skill and confidence in the
carrying and using of defensive firearms. Victim disarmament ("gun
control") laws that discourage women from developing the skills and
using defensive firearms actually heighten the risks of criminal
violence that women face. Such laws place women at a disadvantage
against violent men and run against the feminist goal of equal
treatment under the law."
See "Disarming Women," by Richard W. Stevens, Hugo Teufel III, and
Matthew Y. Biscan (THE WOMEN'S QUARTERLY, Summer 2002)
http://www.independent.org/tii/light...ink4-30-3.html
A longer version of this article appears in LIBERTY FOR WOMEN:
Freedom and Feminism in the Twenty-first Century, edited by Wendy
McElroy. See http://independent.org/tii/content/briefs/b_lfw.html
************************************************** *********************
Professor Joseph Olson Hamline University School of Law
A cunning linguist...



That little fuck needs to be dragged straight down to the electric chair.![]()





Gun or no gun, you better believe i'll kill someone if I had the chance if that were to ever happen to my loved ones. Fuck that! That shit was crucial.
The attackers did have guns, that's why the mother and son were eventually held at gunpoint to commit the sexual assault.
Why does this have to turn into a gun rights debate/issue??
Horribly sad. I hate hearing news like this. Humans are the worst thing to have happened to this planet.
A cunning linguist...
I really, really wish I had not seen the title of this thread. I was having a wonderful day and now I just feel sick. I haven't followed the link but I'm really upset by this.
I wholeheartedly agree with you [Will], of course. The imbalance of power is such a shame.
UGH and I hate threads like this, and about killing of babies. SHit ruins my fucking day!
Somethings are better off not being known. I rather be ignorant to this shit.
I know bad shit happens, I don't want to know the details ( which is why I didn't bother clicking the video thing. )
Does it say though how the gang new the mother and son?
As mentioned above, there is only one thing that corrects that imbalance. A fighting chance is always better than no chance at all, or as Gandhi said:
"I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully." - Mahatma Gandhi (Young India, 11-10-1928, p342)
A cunning linguist...





I saw this on the Yahoo home page a couple hours ago, and it made me so angry that I couldn't read the whole article. That poor child, and his mom, they will be changed forever.
Slightly OT-Did anybody see where some teenager that survived all kinds of crazy shit when he was beat up and sexually assaulted by people at a party jumped off a cruise ship a few days ago? He was still depressed, and being a big news story didn't make him feel better.
So yeah, people get punished, but it's the victims that have to live with this the rest of their lives. This is some heavy shit to have to deal with forever.
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