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    (snip)"The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has proposed new rules that would have a dramatic effect on the storage and transportation of ammunition and handloading components such as primers or black and smokeless powder. The proposed rule indiscriminately treats ammunition, powder and primers as “explosives.” Among many other provisions, the proposed rule would:

    * Prohibit possession of firearms in commercial “facilities containing explosives”—an obvious problem for your local gun store.
    * Require evacuation of all “facilities containing explosives”—even your local Wal-Mart—during any electrical storm. "(snip)


    ... if OSHA is able to get away with arbitrarily reclassifying ammunition as an 'explosive', the second amendment will be effectively dead for 'ordinary' Americans. Undoubtedly, if this is allowed to occur, many state gov'ts will then attempt to apply already existing licensing laws for the sale, purchase and end use of dynamite, nitroglycerin, commercial fireworks etc. to ammunition !

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    Default Re: 2nd amendment rights under 'stealth' attack ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ...* Prohibit possession of firearms in commercial “facilities containing explosives”—an obvious problem for your local gun store.
    * Require evacuation of all “facilities containing explosives”—even your local Wal-Mart—during any electrical storm. "(snip)


    ... if OSHA is able to get away with arbitrarily reclassifying ammunition as an 'explosive', the second amendment will be effectively dead for 'ordinary' Americans. Undoubtedly, if this is allowed to occur, many state gov'ts will then attempt to apply already existing licensing laws for the sale, purchase and end use of dynamite, nitroglycerin, commercial fireworks etc. to ammunition !
    Yeah, but couldn't the gun stores just "split the store in two"? I.e., guns are sold in one store and ammunition in another, perhaps now owned by a friend or relative. This would be, of course, while the various state gov'ts, along with OSHA, are being sued by the NRA, and for all I know, organizations such as Judicial Watch as well.

    I don't live in an area where we get that many electrical storms, so I don't know how problematic this would be in the rest of the U.S.

    Worst case analysis, there are always blowguns and curare-tipped darts for defensive purposes at home, though I don't think I've ever heard of these being used in the U.S. before.

    Interesting this should come up, as I've been dabbling with the idea of taking up skeet shooting for recreation. An acquaintance very well-versed in guns and gun safety cautioned me, though, that it's a rather expensive avocation to pursue.

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    ^^^ well, if this new OSHA ruling goes through, it will become all the more expensive. Don't forget that the impact goes beyond retailers to shippers as well. If ammunition is reclassified as an 'explosive' it will no longer be possible to ship ammunition by US mail / FedEx / common carrier truck freight. This of course will likely put all internet and mail order firearms businesses out of business immediately. Additionally, the extra costs which would have to be borne by retailers to have ammunition stock shipped to them via approved 'explosives' transporters would undoubtedly be passed on to customers in the form of vastly increased ammunition prices.

    Worst case analysis, there are always blowguns and curare-tipped darts for defensive purposes at home, though I don't think I've ever heard of these being used in the U.S. before.
    the much 'easier' alternative is to start purchasing smuggled ammunition from the same people who smuggle assault rifles (along with various other illegal substances). In other words, the likely outcome of any such OSHA 'reclassification' of small arms ammunition is to further deprive law abiding Americans of the 'right' to defend themselves, and to further increase the illegal earnings potential of smugglers !

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    When I want an objective, informed view of any regulation remotely tied to the gun lobby, the first person I look to is Wayne LaPierre. But I shouldn't complain, as I see it as just another step on the path to the NRA marginalizing itself. You should actually read the document.

    OSHA brought small arms ammunition, primers amd propellants under the standard of explosives and blasting agents in 1972.

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    ^^^ yes but it was treated as ORM-D or 'otherwise regulated material' and was exempt from the general regulations for 'explosives' ... which is the classification that OSHA now proposes to change.

    Re the NRA website, I would have much preferred to quote a less controversial source. However, mainstream media has coincidentally neglected to make any mention of this proposed OSHA "stealth' move against small arms ammunition. Had it been widely reported, the 'stealth' factor would have been lost of course, and public comments filed with OSHA before the official comment period expires next Thursday would have probably been much more plentiful and much more negative !

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    Bah! The mainstream media didn't neglect this story due to some sinister lefty plot to undermine the 2nd amendment. The government is currently accepting public comments on 544 documents. There wouldn't be any time for Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan stories if they had to take the time to report on every routine government action, and people would stop watching. That's what C-SPAN is for.

    Aspects of the manufacture, transportation, and storage of explosives and blasting agents fall under so many regulating agencies that this petition was brought forward in 2002 by IME (Institute of Makers of Explosives), and SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute) in an effort to bring regulations up to date regarding technological and safety advances made since the standard was established, and eliminate OSHA's overlapping regulatory provisions with other agencies (ATF and DOT).

    The gun ban lobby must be doing a helluva job to get these two groups to help in their cause.

    But, of course, when you propose shrinking a governmental agency, for every action they take to decrease their size, you can be sure they will add 3 to increase their reach. That slow moving, lazy Republican congress didn't work enough days to get to this before getting tossed out, and now the Dems get to put their stamp on it.

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    ^^^ LOL -

    Melonie, you are hilarious. It's like reading the posts of a wind-up toy.

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