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    Default What do you do with your dog when you are working?

    I have a puppy. I don't exactly trust my neighbours and I have yet to find someone to care for him last minute (the person who I regularily use only works on appointment). I like to work on Saturday nights, but my problem is I work out of town and I don't like to leave my puppy a lone for that long. He is a Shepard/Collie cross. I do have a crate for him which I use, but I feel 100% guilty for leaving him alone for hours. No one I know wants to look after him because he is known to bite familiar people. Am I okay leaving him at home in his crate? He always has access to water, I have one of those autowater things and I do have A/C in my appartment.



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    He should be fine in his crate if you dont trust him with the run of your home or apartment, but I would feel guilty abotu doing it for a long term. Think of crating him as a short-term solution.

    Perhaps kennel him from Saturday into Sunday? The kennel near me is happy to do just one night stay, and they have play hours on evening and group walks, so at least I know he gets some exercise and isn't just copped up, like he would be at my place.

    Also, depending on where you are, most cities offer 24-hour doggie day care, specifically made for people who work odd hours, or for lawyers who work all around the clock occasionally. You can drop your dog off ont he way to work, and pick him up when your shift is over.

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    If u check with Petsmart or Petco staff sometimes people who are dog sitters leave their info with them or they have it posted up somewhere in the store.

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    most dancers work 8 hour shifts or less, thats not a bad amount of time to leave him in, as long as he is out whne you are home. he will sleeep most of the time anyway.

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    How long and how old is he?

    As a general rule it's okay to leave him for his age in months plus one hour - so a three month old dog you could leave for four hours, etc.

    Another solution might be an x-pen with toy's, water, and puppy pads.



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    So if my dog is 13 years does that mean it's okay to leave her for 157 hours? I'm sure there's a cutoff somewhere to the calculation. I feel bad if I leave my dog for more than 7 or 8 hours but all she does is sleep.

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    crating is an acceptable option as long as it isn't an excessive ammount of time. right now, 8 hours is a bit much. esp. if you plan on crating at night when you sleep too. your best option is a sitter of some sort. of course, if he bites, that's not an option at all. i suggest that put start him in an obediance class. find one that meets (it's usually once a week for a couple months) on one of your days off. that way you can talk with a skilled pro about crating issues as well as behavioral problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    I have a puppy. I don't exactly trust my neighbours and I have yet to find someone to care for him last minute (the person who I regularily use only works on appointment). I like to work on Saturday nights, but my problem is I work out of town and I don't like to leave my puppy a lone for that long. He is a Shepard/Collie cross. I do have a crate for him which I use, but I feel 100% guilty for leaving him alone for hours. No one I know wants to look after him because he is known to bite familiar people. Am I okay leaving him at home in his crate? He always has access to water, I have one of those autowater things and I do have A/C in my appartment.
    I crate both the boys, and take them outside ASAP to potty when I get home.

    They stay out of their crates from 3-4am till 8-9am or so then back in till 4pm.


    Honestly, I would consider serious training for your dog. Honesty, in my house that would NOT be tolerated and the dog would have been PTS well before now. But then again I have a "dangerous dog breed" and deal with idiot people thinking my dog will kill them in their sleep every day.

    I think finding someone to watch him for a few hours on Sat night is the least of your worries if your dog bites people.
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    I have a great dane puppy and 2 chihahuas I usually end up leaving them in my back yard (huge) It really helps the great dane that he has two little playmates oh and they have a giant dog igloo so he can use the bathroom when he feels like it too. My dad is in LOVE with my dogs so he watches them when I have to work. Hmm yeah you should def. think about some puppy training classes, biting should be dealt with from day one. a good firm smack on the nose usually works for my puppy, or you could try a spray bottle. Don't worry to much about the crate as long as he has acsess to water and enough room to move around a bit.

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    Default Re: What do you do with your dog when you are working?

    I used to have a babysitter.....

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    Yah - I actually think you need to worry way more about the "biting" thing than leaving him in a crate.

    Crating is good for most dogs - it's not like when you leave your apartment he is suddenly going to start a yoga session for which he needs space. He'll sleep mostly (so long as he is old enough to reasonably hold his little bladder that long - if he isn't you'll just be teaching him to sit in his own waste which you really, really don't want). But if there are people who will look after him, I would suggest getting him a cloth muzzle, fastening it loosely enough that he can get water and see if that flies. And - you need an aggression trainer. Puppies might do teething biting, but nobody in their right mind would be scared of that; if people are afraid of him there is something very, very wrong. Puppies really shouldn't bite. There are specialist who deal with inveterately aggressive dogs, but you might have to seriously consider having him put down.
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    I have to say I'm disturbed by people mentioning putting him down. Some dogs are one person dogs and are agressive with those who do not live in the house. Thats not necessarily a reason to put them to sleep...it may be an argument for finding a new home if you like having people over a lot or plan to have children...but many people are ok with keeping their dog to themselves and putting them in another room on the rare occasions they have company.

    OP..you dont say how old the puppy is. Crating is fine if he cant be trusted in the house alone. People have jobs..they leave their dogs alone every day for 8 hrs..so strippers are no differant unless you go out of town and are gone longer then that.
    And behavioral training is imperitive...though puppy classes may be out if he bites or is overly agressive. But you can hire someone to train him one-on-one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I have to say I'm disturbed by people mentioning putting him down. Some dogs are one person dogs and are agressive with those who do not live in the house. Thats not necessarily a reason to put them to sleep...
    Eeea... yeah, it is. I'm sorry, honey - truly this is not me being unfeeling. I love dogs, I've fostered dogs and we did have to put a dog down for aggression. It is not easy, especially when you can so easily rationalize it by saying "but most of the time..." If the dog is an inveterate biter it means the dog is dangerous. Putting it in another room is not a viable solution to a dangerous dog.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't say "the first time something happens, it's off to the rendering plant with you." Like I said - there are specialists, there are people who know how to retrain aggressive animals. But if the aggression cannot be "fixed" very few trainers would tell you that you should just put the dog in another room. They will tell you to put the dog down.
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    ^agreed with Jenny. I've had all the "aggressive" breeds (pitbulls, rotti's, wolf hybrids), and a number of other brereds (Akitas, Goldens, etc) and regardless of the breed or size, an aggressive dog, if it does not respond to training, to the point where other people are afraid of it, needs to be put down.

    A dog that aggressive to all others but his owner is a menace. It is simply not practical to say to just limit its exposure to people...it WILL happen. If the owner has visitors, walks it (which every owner should), goes out fo town and needs someoen to watch it...it's only a matter of time before the dog bites, possibly severely, with serious consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Eeea... yeah, it is. I'm sorry, honey - truly this is not me being unfeeling. I love dogs, I've fostered dogs and we did have to put a dog down for aggression. It is not easy, especially when you can so easily rationalize it by saying "but most of the time..." If the dog is an inveterate biter it means the dog is dangerous. Putting it in another room is not a viable solution to a dangerous dog.
    I agree if he is agressive even with the family. But if it just outsiders...there are ways to deal with that. I've worked with people who had dogs that was sweet as pie with them...but had to be muzzled when taken anywhere(like the vet). They would lock the dog in a bedroom when they had people over and nobody ever got hurt, the dog was happy and everything worked out ok. Not the best situation...but I cant agree with the dog having to be put down for it if you are willing to make the effort.

    Like I said though..if the dog starts showing agression even with the owners though...there isnt much you can do. I've also seen dogs(and I've given the injection myself)that just could not be trusted no matter what. Sad..but it happens. That doesnt sound like the OP's situation though which is why I was surprised to see several people automatically suggest the possibility that he be put down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    They would lock the dog in a bedroom when they had people over and nobody ever got hurt, the dog was happy and everything worked out ok. Not the best situation...but I cant agree with the dog having to be put down for it if you are willing to make the effort.
    Until he gets out of the yard and bites someone else (I knew a woman who had this same opinion on her dog. Then he got out, mauled a guy in HIS yard. She thought that was his fault because he moved when she told him not to). A dangerous dog in a bedroom is just that - a dangerous dog in a bedroom. It is by definition dominant and aggressive - that means it cannot be trusted. If the dog cannot be retrained, the dog is a menace. I get that it is sad, and I don't think it is a light decision; but a puppy that is biting seriously enough to scare people is probably not responding to trauma; that is a super aggressive dog or a fear biter.
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    Until he gets out of the yard and bites someone else (I knew a woman who had this same opinion on her dog. Then he got out, mauled a guy in HIS yard. She thought that was his fault because he moved when she told him not to). A dangerous dog in a bedroom is just that - a dangerous dog in a bedroom. It is by definition dominant and aggressive - that means it cannot be trusted. If the dog cannot be retrained, the dog is a menace. I get that it is sad, and I don't think it is a light decision; but a puppy that is biting seriously enough to scare people is probably not responding to trauma; that is a super aggressive dog or a fear biter.
    Of course there is a differance between the dog that is so aggressive it is tearing the room apart, and one who just doesnt like other people.

    The client I referred to took GREAT pains with her dog. The yard had a reinforced fence that the dog could not get out of, and even at that she never let him out unsupervised. And she rarely had people over so that wasnt a huge deal in her case.

    I'm not saying it HAS to be done or even CAN be done in every case..just that it is possible to work with an agressive dog and make the situation livable and not dangerous. Jumping to the assumption that a dog who has bitten may need to be put down is jumping the gun a bit.

    And scaring people is up for interpretation too. I had a German Shepherd who terrified people who didnt know him and he never did anything but bark. But he was intimidating looking so people were scared.So this COULD just be normal teething biting and people are afraid anyway.

    My point was simply..lets not jump the gun and suggest euthanasia before we even know the details.

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    And if a child but his hand through the fence? Or if you walk the dog and pass a person?

    I knew someone in a similar situation, with a ferocious dog, except with her he was an angel. She would lock him in the bedroom when guests came. The problem was, after a few time sof this, he KNEW there was people there, so when they left and she did open the door, he was so enraged at not being allowed near the people he attacked her. A vicious dog who bites all others WILL bite the owner eventually.

    And this OP's dog is a collie mix I believe...a rather cute looking dog...very unlike the intimidating presence of a German Sheperd. For people to avoid a sheltie mix, it has to be biting pretty hard. This dog needs serious remedial training, and yes, possible euthanasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Jumping to the assumption that a dog who has bitten may need to be put down is jumping the gun a bit.
    I fully agree. I would never and am not assuming the dog needs to be put down. There are a thousand step to take before that consideration. But a puppy who bites has problems.

    And scaring people is up for interpretation too. I had a German Shepherd who terrified people who didnt know him and he never did anything but bark. But he was intimidating looking so people were scared.So this COULD just be normal teething biting and people are afraid anyway.
    In a puppy? It seems unlikely that people are frightened of an intimidating appearance, particularly as these are people known to her, not strangers in a park. But yes, I take the point that people being needlessly scared is not a reason either for retraining or euthanasia.

    My point was simply..lets not jump the gun and suggest euthanasia before we even know the details.
    Absolutely. I'm not suggesting that she run out today and kill her dog. I do, however, disagree with your assessment on ways of dealing with dogs who don't respond to aggressiveness training.
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    And if a child but his hand through the fence? Or if you walk the dog and pass a person?

    I knew someone in a similar situation, with a ferocious dog, except with her he was an angel. She would lock him in the bedroom when guests came. The problem was, after a few time sof this, he KNEW there was people there, so when they left and she did open the door, he was so enraged at not being allowed near the people he attacked her. A vicious dog who bites all others WILL bite the owner eventually.

    And this OP's dog is a collie mix I believe...a rather cute looking dog...very unlike the intimidating presence of a German Sheperd. For people to avoid a sheltie mix, it has to be biting pretty hard. This dog needs serious remedial training, and yes, possible euthanasia.
    Well, not to be argumentative, but there are fences that you cant put your hand through.

    Also the OPs dog is a collie/shephard mix...no sheltie was mentioned at all. So it COULD be a bit intimidating looking. And some people are just easily scared when it comes to dogs. just because someone is afraid, doesnt necessarily mean the dog is out of control or untrainable.

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    I crate my dog. How long are you gone for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Well, not to be argumentative, but there are fences that you cant put your hand through.

    Also the OPs dog is a collie/shephard mix...no sheltie was mentioned at all. So it COULD be a bit intimidating looking. And some people are just easily scared when it comes to dogs. just because someone is afraid, doesnt necessarily mean the dog is out of control or untrainable.

    Also not to be argumentative (and if you feel like I'm hounding you or whatever, just say so and I'll shush...I really am just debating) but accidents and mistakes do happen.

    For instance, I had a beautiful wolf hybrid for 14 years. Knowing that she was half wolf, we were very stern with her from the first hour we had her, and so she was very well behaved, never showed an moment of aggression, etc. We have a fairly good sized yard, with a tall, solid 6 ft fence (so no child could poke at her). However, what we didn't account for was the fact that people are stupid.

    As I said, she was a very beautiful dog, with long white hair. Well, I guess a man saw her through a teeny crack in the planks of the fence, and he lifted his daughter up and hung her over the fence so she could see my dog. Now, my dog was very good, had never snapped at anyone in her life (she even skipped that puppy teething stage) ...but the sight of some thing dangling over the fence into her territory encited her, and she jumped up ready to drag it down. I happened to glance out the back window, and I screamed as loud as I could. My dog caught on that it was a person, and backed off without ever coming into contact with the girl...but the man decided to scream at me for having a vicious dog and called the police. It was a long and laborous process, but luckily we had an understanding judge who insisted on seeing my dog herself. She tried everything to provoke a reaction, getting down eye to eye with her, rough housing, growling, and my dog laid down and took a nap.

    The point of my very long novel is that you can TRY and prevent any mistakes or mishaps, but at some point, an aggressive dog WILL come into contact with people, either my neighborhood kids who just want to see the pretty dog, or a vet, or another dog who happens to get into the yard. An aggressive dog is just too much of a risk.

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    ^^ I had a pit bull who, while DEFINATELY not aggressive..was extremely hyper and destructive. She came to em after someone found her hit by a car on the side of the road and brought into my hospital. She could NOT be trusted. She would take off in a heartbeat, scare people by running up to them and jumping on them(even though she was just playing),etc... I crated her when I wasnt home and at night, and she was NEVER outside without supervision. Either on a short leash or with me in the fenced yard with her. Accidents happen I know..and maybe I was more careful because I worked with animals and was hyper-aware..but she never came into contact with anyone where I didnt have control. It took a lot of work..but she was worth it!

    I suppose after years of hearing people want to put their animals down for the slightest inconvenience ..my back goes up when euth. is mentioned without knowing all the details. I see euth as an EXTREME last resort..when you have done EVERYTHING possible and the animal is still unsafe to live with. And that just didnt strike me as the case here.

    AND BTW...I would have KILLED the guy who held his daughter over your fence....how did that EVER come to YOU going to court?? He was CLEARLY trespassing and in the wrong. Thats some serious BS!! Thank goodness it turned out ok...but I would have absolutely counter-sued or something for putting me through that. Asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    ^^ I had a pit bull who, while DEFINATELY not aggressive..was extremely hyper and destructive. She came to em after someone found her hit by a car on the side of the road and brought into my hospital. She could NOT be trusted. She would take off in a heartbeat, scare people by running up to them and jumping on them(even though she was just playing),etc... I crated her when I wasnt home and at night, and she was NEVER outside without supervision. Either on a short leash or with me in the fenced yard with her. Accidents happen I know..and maybe I was more careful because I worked with animals and was hyper-aware..but she never came into contact with anyone where I didnt have control. It took a lot of work..but she was worth it!
    Honey - I understand why you might have your back up, but hyper, destructive and playful is way, way, way different than "dominance, aggressive and dangerous." There is a big difference in people being needlessly afraid and people being rationally afraid, and there is a big, big difference in people being afraid and people being bitten and mauled. I think maybe we're a little closer than what you imagine - like I said, I don't think anyone is suggesting that we kill the dog because she raised an eyebrow wrong, or instead of proper anti-aggression training.

    I see euth as an EXTREME last resort..when you have done EVERYTHING possible and the animal is still unsafe to live with. And that just didnt strike me as the case here.
    I absolutely agree. I didn't mean to sound like I thought she should just kill her dog. I mean - a) she obviously loves her dog. And it is a puppy - in a way that makes me concerned because it is not likely responding to trauma, as most aggressive animals are, and very few puppies develop that level of bad habits while they are still puppies. So a puppy that is aggressive enough to (rationally) frighten friends and family... that is a very, very serious concern. But still - puppies are generally easier to train. But I think keeping a dangerous animal under the auspices of "I'll keep it away from all other people and animals it might hurt" is irresponsible as a human citizen. Too many people think that, and then something happens, and the dog jumps out of the car or over the fence or through a screen - really, your house is not a fortress, you know? And really - I am rarely on the other side of the "animal care" argument.
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    Oh, I absolutely agree that euthanasia is a last resort. My only concern was that the OP said she was out of the house for long periods of time (so obviously could not dedicate that kind of vigilance) , and needed people to watch her dog, but was having trouble because it bit so much. Obviously, other methods should be tried first, but if a dog is constantly vicious, serious consideration needs to be given to decide if, as an owner, she could protect people and the dog at all times.

    As for that idiot man...it was a nightmare. I thought we would be hoem free because it was a fenced yard, but no...apparantly because he was ON teh fence, and not int he yard itself, it was okay. And even if the little girl was IN the yard, they still would have taken me to court for having a "vicious" animal. Why, I dont know.

    And it just annoyed me. If it had been a pitbull or Rottweiler or Doberman, he would have never dreamed of dangling his daughter over the fence, because they're "scary dogs". People see a pretty dog, and they never think that it could possibly bite. My friend has a golden retriever who bites often, but people think nothing of letting their kids run up to it because it's a "safe" breed. (sorry, it's a personal pet peeve, how people always want to ban the "aggressive" breed dogs...but they dont realize that they're aggressive because the owners are dumb, TRAIN them to be aggressive, then are shocked when they bite. Any dog, from pitbull to retriever, can be vicious if not properly raised and trained. It's just frustrating)

    Gah! Poor animals, having to deal with stupid people.

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