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    I didn't think we were, but we were having this class lecture the other day about prostitution. I was trying to be a little more informative, because the information was either dated or just very wrong. The prof put up this little diagram showing how escorts make the most, and street girls are the lowest of the low, with brothel workers and strippers somewhere in between.

    Well I didn't argue about strippers not quite being prostitutes. Sex for money is what I think of when I think prostitute, and we're not quite doing that, generally speaking. I gave the diagram the benefit of the doubt, thinking that he meant dancers who also sell sex? But even that was wrong, because I know the girls around here who moonlight in prostitution make way more than the escorts do. The going rate for escorts around here is somewhere between $250-300 an hour. The dancers who negotiate hotel deals after hours charge closer to $500-1000. From what I hear, and from what customers tell me. So I didn't like the lower-level classification, or the assumption that it's all the same thing.

    I mean, in general the information is really annoying in this text book. I should write what they say about strippers. Something to the effect of making $20 000/ year while rubbing baseball caps on our genitals for the blue collar customers. That was word for word almost. They also said it's a myth that white collar customers ever come into clubs. What the hell?

    But even just trying to make some brief corrections of fact was garnering more attention from my classmates than I was comfortable with. I was just wondering if strippers are considered prostitutes by general definition? I didn't so. I don't get too wrapped up in semantics or labelling issues. If they are they are, but I thought there was a difference.

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    I think "prostitute" is a misnomer, although I don't think it is an easily defined term. Like, conveniently we would all say "sex for money" but that is not entirely accurate - we would think a woman selling oral is still a prostitute, and a woman selling handjobs is still a prostitute. Maybe the diagram was just conflating "prostitute" with "sex worker" but still understands the difference?
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    What class is this?

    One of the characters on Young and the Restless got mad at her bf for going to a strip club and likened the dancers to prostitutes. But I guess that's what they would say to cater to their target demographic. Idiots.
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    ^^^It's a sociology class.

    Jenny-- Yes maybe it was sex workers. I guess I can't try to change everyone's ideas. I guess I sometimes forget what lots of people think of the sex trade, and then I remember why secret secrets are good ideas!

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    I would've spoken up and set the record straight, but I'm a loudmouth that way. Grrr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    Something to the effect of making $20 000/ year while rubbing baseball caps on our genitals for the blue collar customers. That was word for word almost. They also said it's a myth that white collar customers ever come into clubs.

    Whhhat? You paid money for this? Maybe we NEED those undercover strippers writing books and whatnot.
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    There are so many misnomers and misconceptions in the adult indutry it could boggle your mind. Sad that opinions are being taught as fact on the college level.
    Coming from someone who has tried many times to explain the differance between a prostitute and a stripper and the differance between a prostitute and a porn actress....its usually a losing battle.

    I understand your not wanting the attention. Me though..not caring about the attention..would have had to speak up. And told them the truth as I knew it. And coming from someone with years of ACTUAL personal experience in the matter I could only hope that my views would carry more weight with at least some people..as opposed to the professor who got his/her info from what I can only assume is a Jesus-freaks internet blog? Being me I would have not been able to hold my toungue and would have had to take the prof to task for presenting such rubbish as fact. I'd prob have gotten slammed for it...but I would have done it anyway.

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    In your area strip clubs are a multi million dollar business. How stupid is your prof for pressenting propaganda as fact? You can look at the clubs and see there's serious money involved not peanuts.
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    Here's what our text says:

    "Since they make most of their money from tips, dancers do their best to please the customers. Not surprisingly then, dancers pay only scant attention, if any, to the art and aesthetics of dancing, which they know is not the audience's interest. Instead, maximum effort is made to catch and hold the customes' attentino on what they have come to the club to see. Thus, as customers seated near the edge of the stage are prepared with cash in hand to tip her, the dancer may move from one man to another exposing her vagina for his close-up view. She may later lie on her back, spread her legs, separate her labia, and repeatedly stroke her clitoris. If her vagina becomes profusely wet, she may snatch the baseball cap off the head of the client and wipe it between her legs and give it back to him

    Most customers are working-class men. They are not only far from wealthy, they are also not good-looking, young, and assertive...." (Schiff, 1999)

    Whoever that Schiff guy is, they got all their info from him. It seems like he went to one kind of club almost ten years, and this is all we need to know about dancers ten years later? It kinda disturbed me. I hate that this is what we're getting tested on. Fun facts like that are what people remember. I just told myself that whatever, people will believe what they want. I can't get worked up about what other people assume.

    And Optimist, you're right--- Ottawa-Gatineau-Montreal is strip club central, considering the ratio of clubs to population. And the strippers here make fairly decent cash. In fact, they made a whole lot more ten years back. I console myself that at least half the class knows enough about the local clubs to know this is not how it works. And when the prof said they were getting rid of lapdancing in Ottawa, and someone asked if that included Ontario, he was all "oh yeah, of course"==NO. Jeez. It's a local bylaw, and Toronto-Niagara certainly still has lapdancing. It's so annoying when people pretend to be experts and spread false information.

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    So Schiff is a pervy type who went to a sex show instead of a gentleman's club and want to pass his experience off as the end all be all. It says far more about him than the industry. I think I'd have to file some kind of complaint with the department head to stop the use of that text. Better they use a text with actual studies than some jerk's thinly veiled smear campaign. Pun intended!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    Here's what our text says:

    "Since they make most of their money from tips, dancers do their best to please the customers. Not surprisingly then, dancers pay only scant attention, if any, to the art and aesthetics of dancing, which they know is not the audience's interest. Instead, maximum effort is made to catch and hold the customes' attentino on what they have come to the club to see. Thus, as customers seated near the edge of the stage are prepared with cash in hand to tip her, the dancer may move from one man to another exposing her vagina for his close-up view. She may later lie on her back, spread her legs, separate her labia, and repeatedly stroke her clitoris. If her vagina becomes profusely wet, she may snatch the baseball cap off the head of the client and wipe it between her legs and give it back to him

    Most customers are working-class men. They are not only far from wealthy, they are also not good-looking, young, and assertive...." (Schiff, 1999)
    This is a joke right? "repeatedly stroke her clitoris"???? Yeah...I do that for EVERY guy for a dollar on stage. Uh huh. Yep. every one. Thats my show.

    And NOW I see what I've been doing wrong. Those pole tricks I learned...the actual dancing..OBVIOUSLY nobody cares. Thats why nobody tips me and tells me what a great DANCER I am . They are only waiting patiently for me to stroke my clit until I gush fluid all over their sweat soaked hat so they can return to the construction site. I'm going to have to rethink my entire career now....

    And all anyone would have to do is watch the news and see how many scandals there are concerning celebs in strip clubs to disprove the crap about customers are ALWAYS working class and not EVER attractive.

    I'd seriously have to take issue with this prof. Or with the school board for allowing this to be taught. It is not fact. It is a poorly researched piece of crap. Any student who tried to turn in a paper with on ly one, incorrect, oft disproved, outdated source would recieve a failing grade. So should your prof.

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    LOL!!!! I agree, this guy Schiff story sounds like a made up club trip from the blue side.
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    I don't know - while the specifics seem wrong, the gist seems right.

    Like, I don't generally see girls masturbating on the stage, no matter what club I'm in, but "the view" does feature. Honestly, I can't say I'd be shocked or appalled to see the thing with the hat. I don't see it everyday, but I've seen it or things like it many times. So I'd say "Yes, the girls do show the customers what they are there to see" but "if you want to see me stroke ANYTHING, you have to buy a dance". I'd be interested in the methodology, location etc. Like where was this, how many clubs, what time of day, what time of week, how many times. Like, on a weekend, how can you conveniently tell a blue collar from a white collar customer? Also - what does that even MEAN? Like I think someone might want to examine his own framing there - what class assumptions are being made here?

    Although - I know this is not something any of us want to hear, but I would be willing to bet that the national median wage of strippers is closer to $20 000 than $100 000. Just saying. Like there is something to claims of poverty.
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    I was just wondering if strippers are considered prostitutes by general definition?
    i think if you polled the american public, that opinion would be at -least- around 50%. many people (esp the more conservative/fanatical) think that nearly all of us are willing to have sex for money. still, many others believe that what we do is no different morally than having sex for money, so it's easy for them to stick the "prostitution" label on us.

    why do you think most of us are afraid to tell at least -some- people? it's because of the misconceptions. we're afraid they'll think we're either whores, idiots, or both. at the least we're worried they won't see it as a "real job" or they'll think we've "lowered ourselves" by opting to doing it.

    we have those fears because, in reality, we all know that stripping is (generally) looked down upon by a large % of the population for one reason or another. it's one of the only jobs i can think of that once you have it, you -are- it. such as, in many people's minds you're now "that stripper" that they know.

    it's difficult to think about. i'm sure many people i know who i've told what i do, tell people in basic conversation. i'm also sure they wouldn't have mentioned my job so quickly if i was still teachin. not to mention, no one ever said "she's a teacher" in the same way people are quick to point out "she's a stripper".

    it's because at the -least- it's taboo and at the -worst- it's considered... well we already went over that.

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    and i wanted to add (like my post wasn't long enough already)...

    i agree with what jenny said (and i usually do).

    people lump "strippers" into one catagory, so we all become associated with the "worst" of the crop in many people's minds. if someone has seen one stripper do something, they might think we all do it. i have to tell people i know all the time "no................ i don't do that" when they say "i saw this one girl...etc..etc..etc"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    ^^^It's a sociology class.

    Jenny-- Yes maybe it was sex workers. I guess I can't try to change everyone's ideas. I guess I sometimes forget what lots of people think of the sex trade, and then I remember why secret secrets are good ideas!
    Sociology is a soft science where some opinions are stated as facts. I could find a lot of sociology papers that disagree with each other.

    Personally, I would not worry about that the Professor / Text Books are saying, just learn their opinions so you can pass the tests.

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    I'd write a letter to the publisher of that textbook, telling him your feelings on the matter. That information is completely out-of-line, especially when you consider that a lot of clubs are just topless and we do nothing like what was described. Shit, I barely give a guy attention at the stage, I certainly never "stroke" myself for anyone.
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    "She may later lie on her back, spread her legs, separate her labia, and repeatedly stroke her clitoris. If her vagina becomes profusely wet, she may snatch the baseball cap off the head of the client and wipe it between her legs and give it back to him"
    We would get fired for doing anything close to that. And They talk like the baseball cap thing is like a normal thing that strippers do. We would get sooo flamed for doing that here.

    "Most customers are working-class men. They are not only far from wealthy, they are also not good-looking, young, and assertive".
    Opposite of the majority of clientelle of my club.

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    bring up Gloria Steinem.

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    Damn, that's sort of amazing to me.

    Molly, surely you can't be the only one in your class who's upset by this? If you live in an area where strip clubs are a big thing, surely there has to be someone in there who is friends with, possibly involved with another dancer? Not that it helps any, but you have to know that not everyone in there is buying that crap.

    I don't know what I would do if I were in that class. But being a sociology class, is it possible to bring up that the guy who wrote this sounds like a pervert, who is exposing his OWN personal idea of what he thinks it's like? Obviously someone else in your class has been to a strip club, and knows that sort of crap doesn't go on, must be laughing at this guy's (gag) story.

    I dunno, it jsut sucks, it would make me mad too...not sure what I would or could do if it were me though. Sorry Molly.




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    After reading your quote... my mouth really fell open.

    Besides, last time I checked, it's illegal to touch yourself like that onstage. Well, at least around HERE... and that baseball hat thing was just so RANDOM!

    If I were you, I'd flip to the back of the book, find exactly WHAT (I guess it would be some sort of lame article that's not even close to scientific) they are quoting that from, and look it up in your school database (or even google to find ANYTHING). Then, poke a bunch of holes in it (as if THAT would be hard) in front of the class.
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    First of all, WHAT THE FUCK!! What kind of woman hating man wrote that text book!! Holy shit!

    First of all, most of us don't even dance naked. Second, I doubt that any one of us would masturbate on stage. Thirdly, I am positive that none of us would rub a filthy baseball hat on our crotches!

    And also, most of the men who come in my club are old and rich. Some are good looking and young.

    I would seriously talk to your professor in private about this text. He's teaching everybody in your class to think that we actually do that kind of shit. I would have pitched a fit in the middle of class, but then, I have no shame.
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    My vagina has become profusely wet. Does anyone here have a baseball cap I can borrow? No? Oh well, perhaps I'll just use a towel, wet wipe, toilet paper. Naaaaah, baseball hats are far more effective poon juice cleaners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    ...the dancer may move from one man to another exposing her vagina for his close-up view. She may later lie on her back, spread her legs, separate her labia, and repeatedly stroke her clitoris. If her vagina becomes profusely wet,...
    Ive had similar experiences like this at a couple of clubs - even self digital penetration, and well, sorry to say that thats all that was needed and the dollars just kept coming out of the pocket.

    most of the other runway girls would get like maybe 4 or 5 dollars from each guy at the rail (maybe 8 or 9 guys) during their routines, which were also pretty racy - but the girl described above, had to have walked off with almost $200 at least ($I know it was 40 at least from me alone), and she didnt have to move around much - they all came over to the spot on the rail where she was working herself up.

    Great performer on stage, but she gave a crummy lapdance by comparison. Felt like a big letdown seeing that on stage and I guess it just hyped you up to believe that the backroom LD would be just as phenomenal, then it just wasnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 200singles View Post
    Ive had similar experiences like this at a couple of clubs - even self digital penetration, and well, sorry to say that thats all that was needed and the dollars just kept coming out of the pocket.

    most of the other runway girls would get like maybe 4 or 5 dollars from each guy at the rail (maybe 8 or 9 guys) during their routines, which were also pretty racy - but the girl described above, had to have walked off with almost $200 at least ($I know it was 40 at least from me alone), and she didnt have to move around much - they all came over to the spot on the rail where she was working herself up.

    Great performer on stage, but she gave a crummy lapdance by comparison. Felt like a big letdown seeing that on stage and I guess it just hyped you up to believe that the backroom LD would be just as phenomenal, then it just wasnt.

    i couldn't even make it through 1/2 of this post because i got fucking -pissed-

    >_<

    i am ........... so tired ......... of that shit.

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