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    Hey everybody,

    I am a newbie here and just wanted everyone to know that I started this new company in Denver. www.mydeliciousentertainment.com

    I am looking for feedback about the ideas behind the business the services that we provide, about the website etc.

    I can take the good and the bad.

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    My opinion:
    Some unique ideas, some may sell, some may not, but I do like some of the services offered.
    I feel the prices are to cheap. They could be raised, your selling yourself and ultimatly, the entertainers, short.
    The entertainers:
    Some are well...sub par. Again, this goes back to yrou pricing, your gonna get what yu pay for, the more you charge for services, the more the girls make, the better lookign girls you'll get.
    I was not impressed with the selection of girls, and if I were booking for a party, I may not book from you because I don't find any of the girls attractive enough.
    The website:
    I like the layout, easy to navigate, nice look to it.
    Somethign I'm being picky about just because I'm a model, but I don't liek how arched the models back is with the strawberries..the pose in general is just off to me.

    I also hope that you train your girls in the services you offer. They have to know how to properly and professionally deal poker, play poker, know the rules of the sports games, know how to bartend, really know. Not just yeah, I can make some drinks. They need to know and have training and experience. Same with burlesque dancers. Are they actually real burlesque dancers?

    I woudl hate to pay and book a party expecting a girl who know what she was doing only to find I'm paying for a hot, but clueless chick.

    Overall, not bad tho. good idea, some unique services offered, nice website.

    I would stress the importance of the girls safety tho. A bouncer will accompany the girl, services are paid up front at the door, or she doesn't come in. Any issues or problems, no refund offered, and the girl is free to walk out of the party.

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    Kaylinn,

    I appreciate everything you said.

    Thanks.

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    I kind aree, kind of disagree. I can appreciate what kaylinn said about the correlation of sub-par pay = sub par dancers. But if it's a brand new company, how can he really expect the top quality girls? At least in my town, I know I see this happening with strip clubs all the time. When they're new, they're known for not having the most appealing dancers. It makes sense, they're new, they haven't drummed up a lot of business yet, no time for word of mouth to spread. Teh money's not going to be great that first few months, and the girls who know they can be making more are out doing that at the established clubs. If they're a good quality club, it seems that thing'll most likely change in a year, and they'll be in a much better place and will be known for a higher quality of dancers, they'll start charging more, dancers will start making more, and on and on.

    My advice would be to make sure you provide good security, and good relations with the dancers (not that this is hard to do, just always treat them with respect and make sure that they can tell their security is a priority. This will improve your quality of girls. I know a lot of girls (myself included) are willing to work at a small company/club that may not bring in as much money, but provides us with a higher quality working environment and a trustworthy security.

    My be advice: Be known among the dancers as the company everyone would love to work for, and you'll always have the best dancers.

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    Website

    Entertainer's photos... oh dear.. if they are the 'best' photos you can get of them then that isn't that great a start. Don't leave it up to the entertainer to provide the photos if you want to show yourself as a good company... plus you want the photos to have some sort of uniformity to make the website look more professional...

    www.catharines.com.au is a well designed website


    "Have you ever seen the way dancers like it when female customers come into the club? Their eyes open wide and they are ready to party."

    !!!! You obviously show your lack of knowledge about what we REALLY think about female patrons. *roll eyes*

    Otherwise you may want to 'trim down' your "orders" page... most "orders" (aka bookings) are usually done and should be done over the phone. Encourage them to call.


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    Oh! I couldn't agree more. Better photos.

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    And actually, now that I look at your prices, they really are very, very low. $40 per hour for a girl to escort a guy to a strip club? And how much of that are you actually even going to pay to the girl?! I don't know anyone who would accept a job like that for so low a fee.

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    I appreciate your feedback everyone. This is going to help the look of the company for sure. We are off to a decent start in two weeks.

    As far as relations goes with the entertainers--I have a female 25 yr old running the day to day of the company. She is very knowledgable about this environment and has a good business head as well.

    As far as security goes, we have people available for them to use and because of independent contractor rules we give them a per dollar an hour amount if they choose to use them.

    We are working daily on the update of photos.

    Thank you all very much for your comments!

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    so, basically, you make them pay for their own security, and you pay shit wages.

    Keep it up, and you're going to be forever known as that sh*tty club that no one wants to work for. You'll have low quality dancers, because everyone else knows they can do so much better working at one of the gazillion other companies (established ones, at that) that pay so much more and might even provide better security. Or for as long as you stay afloat. As a dancer, I can tell you none of my friends would ever consider working for you. Just telling it like it is.

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    not so many strawberries, martinis, and cupcakes on the front page. its just a little confusing and even though i know what it is subliminally it looks like a niteclub or catering site.

    o/w, i like the colors.

    oh i also couldnt see what city this was in..

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    zman,

    Good luck with your business venture, I'm flattered that you found so much inspiration from my website! I was reading your FAQ section and found some of the wording to be too familiar. I'm sure this is no coincedence, but it is all good.

    I found your website to be confusing, your site doesn't immediately tell me what it is your offering. Your index page is covered with pictures of fruit and cupcakes. One of the last things I noticed was the women, which I'm sure was not your objective. You might want to consult with someone who is knowledgeable of SEO, you've got a lot of important information in images, and not enough html, which will negatively affect your ranking in the search engines.

    Everyone is right about those pictures, those girls do look hideous! However, I wouldn't waste time with finding photographers, I recommend to avoid having pictures of dancers all together. There are numerous reasons why pictures are a bad ideal, mainly because this is a high turn over business. Girls come and go, from clubs to agencies, for whatever reason. In order for a "pick and choose" operation to work, you will need good looking reliable strippers, and since they don't exist, you'll only find yourself not fulfilling any bookings.

    Your customers might ask to see pictures of the girls, do post stock photos of hot chicks under the guise that they could work for you, in other words, bait and switch! Forget what you heard (and ignore what you will hear from the other people on this site), bait and switch is not the tactic of a bad company, but of a successful one. The bait and switch can be considered to be deceitful; however, this is common business strategy, like the hamburger I received at Burger King, it didn't look quite as tasty as it did in those television commercials, yet, I was still convinced and ordered the Tripple Whopper with cheese (yum!).

    I would also remove the pricing from my services page and strongly suggest having people call you to get the prices. I find people can guage your legitmacy through the phone and are more willing to book a party if you are friendly and professional. You don't want to get pigeonholed on prices without knowing all the variables involved with a show, e.g. my prices can vary on reservation date, time of day, party location, college students, caller ethnicity, etc.,
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    painted ladies - you defintely need to raise your prices for that, you would be looking atleast an hours preparation before the event to get the bodies painted which you will need to pay the painter and the girls

    Also, you NEED TO RAISE ALL YOUR PRICES!!


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    ct I totally disagree with 99% of what you said!

    I pride my business of being up to date on the website of who works for me, even with over 50 girls, I still find time to update the old ones and the new ones.

    Also DO NOT EVER DO STRIPPER SUBSTITUTION!! IT STINKS! I have a few warnings on my page about it, and customers book with me knowing that I am a honest and legit company, and not a shady one with 'stock pictures' In fact if long term customers find out, consider your business a waste of time!

    Also regarding pricing - keep it up! You would be suprised also how many people will book with me only because I have nothing to hide. People fear rthat the price will vary from suburb to suburb, some agenciese will charge more to the poorer areas and phenominal amounts for those who are rich - be careful -

    Also, you may want to have booking terms and conditions on your site, so your customers know what to expect. If your poker girls are trained poker girls, pride and promote yourself on it

    Also maybe you need to re-think your about section, I mean no offence it made you sound like a dreamer who only started this. Maybe state your experience in the field all skip it all together and focus on other things. You want to make your company sound professional and you are saying "About a year ago I had a dream about an entertainment event that all my friends and I were at" Customers want to know how you have been involved in the industry and what your going to do, your plans.

    Also, "We also feel that we are affordable for everyone. We have services that range in price from $40 per hour to $125 per hour. There is something for everyone’s budget" makes you sound cheap, no offence again. RAISE YOUR MINIMUM PRICE!! Remember girls have to a) pay themself b) pay your commission c) pay tax d) pay transport e) pay security f) pay the upkeep expenses of being a model g) also PROFIT from that. You are going to scare away the top end models, making your business always be in the 'bottom feeding' market

    Also, I dont think your photos are THAT bad, I mean you have just started, what can you expect? BUT;
    a) get bigger photos
    b) put a border around them (see my site) as it makes it more neater
    c) dont stretch or skew the photo, it looks crap

    Some of your models look decent, maybe you should invest in a digi cam and have the girls come over to your office or a location and get some group shots and single shots. Although they might not be professional, it will give customers a sense of uniform-ism.

    WTF is a guy doing in the middle of all the girls? I was like that chick is topless.. and realised its name is bennie... lol YOU DO NOT WANT TO CONFUSE CUSTOMERS!

    get bigger photos of the girls too, a tumbnail size photo is not going to cut it in the VERY cut throat industry

    Add a news section on your page to keep customers 'in the know' it also makes you look busier

    Will be interesting to see how you go in a months time


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    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1 View Post
    zman,

    Good luck with your business venture, I'm flattered that you found so much inspiration from my website! I was reading your FAQ section and found some of the wording to be too familiar. I'm sure this is no coincedence, but it is all good.

    I found your website to be confusing, your site doesn't immediately tell me what it is your offering. Your index page is covered with pictures of fruit and cupcakes. One of the last things I noticed was the women, which I'm sure was not your objective. You might want to consult with someone who is knowledgeable of SEO, you've got a lot of important information in images, and not enough html, which will negatively affect your ranking in the search engines.

    Everyone is right about those pictures, those girls do look hideous! However, I wouldn't waste time with finding photographers, I recommend to avoid having pictures of dancers all together. There are numerous reasons why pictures are a bad ideal, mainly because this is a high turn over business. Girls come and go, from clubs to agencies, for whatever reason. In order for a "pick and choose" operation to work, you will need good looking reliable strippers, and since they don't exist, you'll only find yourself not fulfilling any bookings.

    Your customers might ask to see pictures of the girls, do post stock photos of hot chicks under the guise that they could work for you, in other words, bait and switch! Forget what you heard (and ignore what you will hear from the other people on this site), bait and switch is not the tactic of a bad company, but of a successful one. The bait and switch can be considered to be deceitful; however, this is common business strategy, like the hamburger I received at Burger King, it didn't look quite as tasty as it did in those television commercials, yet, I was still convinced and ordered the Tripple Whopper with cheese (yum!).

    I would also remove the pricing from my services page and strongly suggest having people call you to get the prices. I find people can guage your legitmacy through the phone and are more willing to book a party if you are friendly and professional. You don't want to get pigeonholed on prices without knowing all the variables involved with a show, e.g. my prices can vary on reservation date, time of day, party location, college students, caller ethnicity, etc.,

    If I booked a model off a website and was told I would have that model attend my event, only to have a fugly girl show up, I would not only demand my money back for false advirtising, but I would be sure to tell all my friends to NEVER use that company again.
    Bait and switch is BAD business practice. You do realize that most business, and espicially repeat customers are from word of mouth advirtising. Everyoen tells their friends, and bad spreads faster than the good.

    You sound like the worst business owner ever. Not onyl from thjis post, but from all yoru other posts as well. You sound cocky, ignorant, and mostly, unknowledgable about what good business is. You are a sheister.

    Furthermore, I found YOUR website to be very confusing, and I have not a clue why anyone with any sense at all would bother to look to your website for inspiration.

    And why woudl prices vary depending on caller ethnicity?

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    "Have you ever seen the way dancers like it when female customers come into the club? Their eyes open wide and they are ready to party."

    !!!! You obviously show your lack of knowledge about what we REALLY think about female patrons. *roll eyes*

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    hahaha GCG.
    Seriously most of us effin hate female patrons. They are a waste of space and contribute negatively to the atmosphere of the SC. They give disgusted looks when we give stage side dances to paying customers, often making the guys feel that they are doing something wrong.
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    It's true Jaizaine, but it doesn't matter, because what guys believe (as they should) is that we love the female custy's, so it works for him.

    Overall I think the site has some cute ideas (maybe even a few too many) but it's cute.
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    The girls....umm....no bueno.
    I believe you Dottie and you have my support

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    Again,

    I very much appreciate your feedback everyone. I am taking it in a positive way for sure.

    The general feeling that I am getting is that the pics need to be improved.

    I do not want to be a bait and switch company and in fact, I have made that a point when talking with everyone about what separates our philosophies and others as well.

    It is my goal to be able to provide entertainment beyond straight exotic dancing services. I am marketing to out of town convention attendees who might be looking for a promotional model or a sexy bartender server that won't shed their clothes. So I am walking a fine line with the type of pics that I put up.

    CT striptease - I looked at your website and had some of my policies put up that modeled yours to some degree. I appreciate your feedback as well.

    Fifi - we don't make them pay their own security, we give them a hourly amount to use if they want. The gentlemens club services have been fairly popular so far and I haven't had anyone complain about how much they are getting paid to go to the clubs. $30 per hour.

    Thank you again and keep the feedback rollin.

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    It is my goal to be able to provide entertainment beyond straight exotic dancing services. I am marketing to out of town convention attendees who might be looking for a promotional model or a sexy bartender server that won't shed their clothes. So I am walking a fine line with the type of pics that I put up.
    It's not so much the pics, but the girls IN the pics. They are just not attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    If I booked a model off a website and was told I would have that model attend my event, only to have a fugly girl show up, I would not only demand my money back for false advirtising
    but I would be sure to tell all my friends to NEVER use that company again.
    I never mentioned sending a "fugly" girl, that's your asinine assumption; I've got some really good looking white girls working for me this summer!

    Anyway, guys only want to see pictures for assurance that they won't receive some crack whore, ghetto queen, or stripper older than their mother. They might want the girl they picked, however, as long as you have good looking girls that resemble the girls they wanted, this won't be an issue. Even if you did have "fugly" girls, just hold the line, the agency will always have the upper hand, because the customer is in too deep to cancel. If they've got a party with guys waiting on the entertainment, what are they gonna do? The only time my dancers have ever gotten turned away from a party was because one of the three girls were black (They still wanted the two white girls, but the driver, a black guy, decided to leave on some stupid moral integrity principal. I would've made that black girl sit in the car).

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    Bait and switch is BAD business practice. You do realize that most business, and espicially repeat customers are from word of mouth advirtising. Everyoen tells their friends, and bad spreads faster than the good.
    I stand by what I said, bait and switch is not the tactic of a bad company, but of a successful one. A "pick and choose" operation are scheduling nightmares and logistically impossible. First of all, most female dancers don't want their pictures available on the internet, or even accessible through an email. So if your roster consists of only girls who are willing to be on the internet, that gives you a limited number of available dancers. I could go on for days on all the stupid things that will happend with relying on strippers, e.g. what if Dancer "A" is wanted at two different parties starting at 9pm and they both really want her? Unless your content with only fulfilling a show every now and then, your "pick and choose" stripper agency is doomed to fail. Repeat business comes from how good the show was, which has very little to do with how good looking the girls are. People go to clubs to see the strippers, people come to parties to see what the strippers are gonna do. You can be the hottest strippers but it won't mean a hill of beans if you are at a party and won't take your bottoms off and shove a gigantic dildo in your pussy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    You sound like the worst business owner ever. Not onyl from thjis post, but from all yoru other posts as well. You sound cocky, ignorant, and mostly, unknowledgable about what good business is. You are a sheister.
    I can't even respond to this seriously, pimps just stay up!

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    And why woudl prices vary depending on caller ethnicity?
    you couldn't handle the truth


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    Kaylinn,

    I hear ya. I appreciate what you are saying.

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    Entertainer's photos... oh dear.. if they are the 'best' photos you can get of them then that isn't that great a start. Don't leave it up to the entertainer to provide the photos if you want to show yourself as a good company... plus you want the photos to have some sort of uniformity to make the website look more professional...

    www.catharines.com.au is a well designed website


    "Have you ever seen the way dancers like it when female customers come into the club? Their eyes open wide and they are ready to party."

    !!!! You obviously show your lack of knowledge about what we REALLY think about female patrons. *roll eyes*

    Otherwise you may want to 'trim down' your "orders" page... most "orders" (aka bookings) are usually done and should be done over the phone. Encourage them to call.
    Agree with all of the above.


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    Awww some of those girls are ok... but I really think you ought to have photos of their bodies in there not just wierd fuzzy close ups of their face. I appreciate you migh twant to cross sell so dont want hard core erotic pictures, but i definately think their bodies r going to be your selling point.. plus long body shots can be more flattering thaN SHOTS UP A GIRLS (SOMEWHAT LARGE) NOSE.. ops sorry caps.

    CTSstriptease is just someone being funny right? Surely no man that egotistical, misoginistic (spl?) ... well such a .... turd brain actually exists right? Someone pls tell me if you work for him and he's for real? Just so I make sure I never ever end up in the same state as him.

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    I'm not so sure it is the girls and not the picks. I clicked on a photo of one girl who did NOT look nice at all, and when her other photos came up, one that was obviously from another photo shoot was VERY pretty.

    Zman, maybe I misunderstood the security situation. Sorry if I did.
    $30 an hour may seem ok for girls to join a guy at a strip club. However, it just might be that the girls you've booked are either somewhat...sub-par, or are just starting out in the adult entertainment industry. If the latter is the case, they'll probably figure out soon enough that they can be making more elsewhere (if they're pretty and desirable).

    I know you're a new company, and new companies need to accept that it may be a little while before they are established enough to get the high quality girls. But eventually, you're going to need to raise your prices to keep good quality dancers. Girls in this industry are constantly on the lookout for a better financial situation. If you can't afford to pay the pretty girls what they can make somewhere else, you'll end up forever being known as the cheap ass company with the crappy low end dancers.

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    Lot's of great information in this thread! In defense of CTstriptease, the man obviously knows his business. I can understand why some people won't appreciate his advice, but especially in an industry like private dancing we really need to separate ourselves from our ego when taking advice about how to run the business successfuly.

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